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For the most part, I actually hated the Mega Drive FM chip. I even preferred my C64 SID chip and I owned an Amiga before I got my Mega Drive, so I had better sound already.
But then there's the Sonic games. I will never know what wizardry Sonic Team pulled out for that those games. Humming Chemical Plant Zone just typing that out.
But then there's the Sonic games. I will never know what wizardry Sonic Team pulled out for that those games. Humming Chemical Plant Zone just typing that out.
Looks like I'll be plugging in the ol' SNES for some fun tonight. I love nostalgia fests. I might even plug in the Genesis for some Rocket Knight action, a game conspicuously missing from these videos.
Rocket Knight is great, but the SNES is still better.
Rocket Knight is great, but the SNES is still better.
I preferred the SNES, but as James said the 16 Bit era wouldn't have been complete without both. Love both consoles, and really miss that time period in gaming.
Viva la 16-bit!
Similar to music & movies from the past -- it was good because artists got creative despite the limitations of tech. Nowadays eye-candy is prioritized over gameplay.
Similar to music & movies from the past -- it was good because artists got creative despite the limitations of tech. Nowadays eye-candy is prioritized over gameplay.
This is so blatantly easy its not worth debate. Snes simply destroys genesis on every level. Perhaps a nod here and there, but library wise, gameplay wise, and music wise it just can't compete on content
I was a Genesis Boy, and I loved it. Though I do wish I had an SNES. I agree with him on nearly all points, but along with Tony I thought the Genesis had way better sound. It just has this fat heavy crunchiness that sounds so good. Genesis has way better sound, it just had this funkiness that sounds like some badass slapping the shit out of a bass. Great videos, Rolfe never disappoints.
Wait wait wait wait ........ hold the freaking phone
So when comparing the controllers its only the BASIC controllers that came with the system ignoring the better controllers that Sega came out with later.
But when it comes to backwards compatibility its all fine and dandy to throw in an unlicensed 3rd party peripheral for the SNES?
I'm calling shenanigans right there!
So when comparing the controllers its only the BASIC controllers that came with the system ignoring the better controllers that Sega came out with later.
But when it comes to backwards compatibility its all fine and dandy to throw in an unlicensed 3rd party peripheral for the SNES?
I'm calling shenanigans right there!
@Scuffles
Unlicensed? He was talking about the Super Game Boy. That was made by Nintendo. He was talking about the dual-cart thing just to mention its existence, he wasn't factoring that into the score.
Unlicensed? He was talking about the Super Game Boy. That was made by Nintendo. He was talking about the dual-cart thing just to mention its existence, he wasn't factoring that into the score.
More fuel for the fire: Genesis had Treasure and all of those amazing games. Where was the SNES' answer to Dynamite Headdy, Alien Soldier, and Gunstar Heroes? That's what I thought!
He didn't just mention its mentioned its existence, stated that because of the unlicensed peripheral the two systems were on par. Then gave the SNES the win because it could play Gameboy games in addition.
And the category is backwards compatibility the Gameboy came out after the SNES. How is a peripheral that allows you to play your newer games on your older system "backwards" compatibility?
I'm just saying my shenanigans stand.
And the category is backwards compatibility the Gameboy came out after the SNES. How is a peripheral that allows you to play your newer games on your older system "backwards" compatibility?
I'm just saying my shenanigans stand.
SNES clearly is better. I loved the fact that they both existed, but the SNES will knockout the Genesis in round 1.
As far as the design goes, he didn't mention the completely USELESS volume buttons on the front of the Genesis. NOBODY used them. If you say you did you're a liar and will burn in hell.
As far as the design goes, he didn't mention the completely USELESS volume buttons on the front of the Genesis. NOBODY used them. If you say you did you're a liar and will burn in hell.
@Scuffles
And if you are talking about controllers that eventually came out for the Genesis, you might as well throw in other SNES controllers like the Super Advantage.
Even if you consider the six-button Genesis controller, I still say it pales in comparison to the standard SNES controller. A six-button layout like that is perfect for an arcade stick, but it's a little inefficient for a thumb-operated game pad.
And if you are talking about controllers that eventually came out for the Genesis, you might as well throw in other SNES controllers like the Super Advantage.
Even if you consider the six-button Genesis controller, I still say it pales in comparison to the standard SNES controller. A six-button layout like that is perfect for an arcade stick, but it's a little inefficient for a thumb-operated game pad.
I'm fine with the controller comparison its the whole idea of looking only at stock gear then and later awarding points for the unlicensed 3rd party widget.
ok Sega Genesis Defense squad on!
Controllers: Did you guys ever tried the Arcade Power Stick????Seriously great quality and autofire and great materials maybe even better than the almighty Neo Geo one!!!!
Beat hem Up:STreet of Rage 2 is the Scrolling Beat them up not the 1 come on!!!!!!!!
TREASURE GAME!!!!
The best Shoot hem up Thunder Force IV!!!!!
Micro Machines 2 with controllers plug on the cart so that you could play easily 4 ppl and even 8 2 ppl for controllers i have done that at my grandma house......AMAZING!!!!!!
So yeah great video by the way i love the video of you as a child, really good stuff and i am buying back a Snes and a Mega drive now!!!!!!!
Controllers: Did you guys ever tried the Arcade Power Stick????Seriously great quality and autofire and great materials maybe even better than the almighty Neo Geo one!!!!
Beat hem Up:STreet of Rage 2 is the Scrolling Beat them up not the 1 come on!!!!!!!!
TREASURE GAME!!!!
The best Shoot hem up Thunder Force IV!!!!!
Micro Machines 2 with controllers plug on the cart so that you could play easily 4 ppl and even 8 2 ppl for controllers i have done that at my grandma house......AMAZING!!!!!!
So yeah great video by the way i love the video of you as a child, really good stuff and i am buying back a Snes and a Mega drive now!!!!!!!
anyway i don't want to feel nostalgic but it was so cool back then the console were so different i remember i use to give my MD to a friend of mine and he borrowed me his SNES......great playing Super Ghost and Goblins!!!!! such a shame he didn't had Super Metroid!
I am a huge Sega fan. Genesis is the only old console I own. I have close to a hundred games for it. I occasionally write for a Sega fansite.
That being said...
The SNES is PACKED with INSTANT CLASSICS. I think anyone who doesn't recognize the strength of its library is delusional. Sega will always be my personal favorite, but I admit the SNES was definitely the victor in that "battle" for many reasons.
Bit it didn't have no ma-fuckin Alien Soldier, that's for damn sure.
That being said...
The SNES is PACKED with INSTANT CLASSICS. I think anyone who doesn't recognize the strength of its library is delusional. Sega will always be my personal favorite, but I admit the SNES was definitely the victor in that "battle" for many reasons.
Bit it didn't have no ma-fuckin Alien Soldier, that's for damn sure.
The SNES was a monster, by far the better system, but I still had great times with my Genesis, the big bone of contention here for me is. Streets of Rage 2 demolishes all of the Final Fights, and its interesting he left SoR2 out of the music selection. Where SoR2 is still praised to this day for its music as an absolute legendary once in a lifetime Soundtrack, that basically if you haven't heard the music in SoR2 you haven't lived life correctly. It is still played to this day. The Final Fights just weren't on that level.
I was a MD fanboy in my youth.
looking back I would say. The MD was king at the first half of the 16bit era, SNES 2nd half.
I disagree with him on the sega megadive controller, It had a great ergonomic shape and the d-pad blows the NES cross type out of the water. I agree that 4 buttons is better than 3 although the 6 button can't be ignored. To do so is like ignoring the Wii+ mote or the PS1 analog.
Also although many of the best em ups on the MD had smaller sprites like Streets of Rage 1 it's very much down to personal choice imo. Golden Axe was fantastic & Streets of Rage 2 more than makes up for 1.
And yeah Treasure was a massive boon the the MD later in life.
looking back I would say. The MD was king at the first half of the 16bit era, SNES 2nd half.
I disagree with him on the sega megadive controller, It had a great ergonomic shape and the d-pad blows the NES cross type out of the water. I agree that 4 buttons is better than 3 although the 6 button can't be ignored. To do so is like ignoring the Wii+ mote or the PS1 analog.
Also although many of the best em ups on the MD had smaller sprites like Streets of Rage 1 it's very much down to personal choice imo. Golden Axe was fantastic & Streets of Rage 2 more than makes up for 1.
And yeah Treasure was a massive boon the the MD later in life.
@Scuffles: I think you're the very only one that would take it that way. He definitely said it just in reference, not as a reason it should impact his decision. Frankly it's a dumb category anyways, right?
I'm not sure folk know this about the MD processors but it had a weird way of doing things. IIRC it had 2 processors where 1 was used for graphics and one for sound although it was possible to make a game with no sound that used the processor meant for the sound chip.
I'm not sure folk know this about the MD processors but it had a weird way of doing things. IIRC it had 2 processors where 1 was used for graphics and one for sound although it was possible to increase the graphics of a game with no sound that used the processor meant for the sound chip.
Without doubt, the SNES wins in damn near every category... Graphics(colors and Mode 7). Music. Library of games. And the controller.
One of the few things SEGA had going for it, besides a few exclusive games, was the fact it came in black. Sleek, sexy black.
One of the few things SEGA had going for it, besides a few exclusive games, was the fact it came in black. Sleek, sexy black.
@Tony Ponce
Nintendo's answer to Treasure was Rare.
Donkey Kong Country I,II,III, Killer Instinc, Battle toads
Rare>>>Treasure
And I'm a huge Treasure fan
Nintendo's answer to Treasure was Rare.
Donkey Kong Country I,II,III, Killer Instinc, Battle toads
Rare>>>Treasure
And I'm a huge Treasure fan
I only briefly owded a Super Nindendo and still have my Genesis, but I'm voting for SNES.
My vote has nothing to do with the game library, sounds, controllers or hardware. Here's the story (all true)
I traded a friend a bad ass Redline bike for his SNES and a few games. A few months later he was fiending for his SNES back but had long since sold the bike so instead he offered a fully operational 1975 Toyota Celica coupe slammed on rims. I miss that car.
Anyway... I couldn't trade my Genesis for squat. So to me that = WIN for Nintendo.
My vote has nothing to do with the game library, sounds, controllers or hardware. Here's the story (all true)
I traded a friend a bad ass Redline bike for his SNES and a few games. A few months later he was fiending for his SNES back but had long since sold the bike so instead he offered a fully operational 1975 Toyota Celica coupe slammed on rims. I miss that car.
Anyway... I couldn't trade my Genesis for squat. So to me that = WIN for Nintendo.
SNES is leaps and bounds better in my opinion, but like James I too loved the Genesis as well.
It helps though that the SNES housed some of my absolute favorite games and game soundtracks. The SNES and PS1 are easily my favorite systems ever made. Choosing between those two is a tough call. Much tougher for me personally than choosing between SNES and Genesis. Though I still think I'd say the SNES is overall my favorite system ever made.
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III (VI)
Illusion of Gaia
Earthbound
Super Metroid
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Secret of Mana
Secret of Evermore
Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country
Super Mario RPG
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
Super Double Dragon
Super Castlevania IV
All of those are some of my favorite games ever made.
It helps though that the SNES housed some of my absolute favorite games and game soundtracks. The SNES and PS1 are easily my favorite systems ever made. Choosing between those two is a tough call. Much tougher for me personally than choosing between SNES and Genesis. Though I still think I'd say the SNES is overall my favorite system ever made.
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III (VI)
Illusion of Gaia
Earthbound
Super Metroid
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Secret of Mana
Secret of Evermore
Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country
Super Mario RPG
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
Super Double Dragon
Super Castlevania IV
All of those are some of my favorite games ever made.
@Xeo: Illusion of Gaia! Loved it. Watched the ending so many times. "I want to burn your face into my memory" :P Loved that shit, wow I must've been an emo kid back in '95.
Secret of Evermore I read all about it in Nintendo Power and would have got it but I think I was saving my $$ for the N64 at that point.
I need to beat either FF6, Earthbound or SOE before I start another game. I never played past a couple hours of FF6.. made it at least halfway through Earthbound and never started SOE. Suggestions? Anyone?
Secret of Evermore I read all about it in Nintendo Power and would have got it but I think I was saving my $$ for the N64 at that point.
I need to beat either FF6, Earthbound or SOE before I start another game. I never played past a couple hours of FF6.. made it at least halfway through Earthbound and never started SOE. Suggestions? Anyone?
Considering that the Genesis and the SNES were neck-and-neck salewise in this country, I'm wondering where all the folks championing the Genesis have disappeared to. Seems a bit lopsided.
@Tony: This is one posting I actually am surprised to see the SNES do better against the Genesis. Typically it's pretty even, or I notice more Sega love, and that really surprises me. Also, hindsight is 20/20 for some honest people.
@Tony Ponce
Killed themselves after the Dreamcast. I was lucky, I had people to talk me off the ledge. Amazing people that told me "You've not played Rez yet". Just what I needed.
Gun to my head, I'd take the Mega Drive. I'd enquire as to why I couldn't pick the Amiga for 16-bit or maybe argue with the gunman that the Neo Geo is also 16 bit and don't buy into the 24-bit nonsense, but I'd pick it over the SNES.
Killed themselves after the Dreamcast. I was lucky, I had people to talk me off the ledge. Amazing people that told me "You've not played Rez yet". Just what I needed.
Gun to my head, I'd take the Mega Drive. I'd enquire as to why I couldn't pick the Amiga for 16-bit or maybe argue with the gunman that the Neo Geo is also 16 bit and don't buy into the 24-bit nonsense, but I'd pick it over the SNES.
"Considering that the Genesis and the SNES were neck-and-neck salewise in this country, I'm wondering where all the folks championing the Genesis have disappeared to. Seems a bit lopsided."
As a guy who had a Genesis as a kid and subscribed to Sega Visionaries until it stopped being produced, I have to say that the SNES was -obviously- better.
Don't get me wrong, the Genesis is a great console with tons of great games. As you said yourself, Contra Hard Corps is superior to Contra 3, and I'm probably the only Castlevania fan in the world to not love SCIV. Also, while I'm not big on sports titles, the Genesis certainly wins there. In terms of exclusives, the Sonic games are just amazing, and, as you noted, Treasure really was phenomenal in those days.
However, that said.. the SNES had too many games that just weren't touched at all by the Genesis. FF4-6 (well.. 2 and 3 here in the U.S. at the time), Chrono Trigger, Mario Kart, Super Mario World, DKC 1-3, Super Metroid.. I mean.. come on. Also, -most- (but not all) games that were released on both were superior on the SNES.
The Genesis was highly competitive with one of the best consoles of all time. That's high praise. However, it just wasn't as good as the SNES.
As a guy who had a Genesis as a kid and subscribed to Sega Visionaries until it stopped being produced, I have to say that the SNES was -obviously- better.
Don't get me wrong, the Genesis is a great console with tons of great games. As you said yourself, Contra Hard Corps is superior to Contra 3, and I'm probably the only Castlevania fan in the world to not love SCIV. Also, while I'm not big on sports titles, the Genesis certainly wins there. In terms of exclusives, the Sonic games are just amazing, and, as you noted, Treasure really was phenomenal in those days.
However, that said.. the SNES had too many games that just weren't touched at all by the Genesis. FF4-6 (well.. 2 and 3 here in the U.S. at the time), Chrono Trigger, Mario Kart, Super Mario World, DKC 1-3, Super Metroid.. I mean.. come on. Also, -most- (but not all) games that were released on both were superior on the SNES.
The Genesis was highly competitive with one of the best consoles of all time. That's high praise. However, it just wasn't as good as the SNES.
Commodore 64 still holds the crown of best sound chip in gaming history for me. But just what was the last bit of music in this video, I remember it but can't think of the name of the game.
This video made me tear up... Not because SNES won, but because 16 bits won. Even with systems these days, it's so easy to choose which is easily the best system, but they just didn't have that umph that the 16 bit era had. it was still so much better then 8 bits, but was still limited to the point to where you had to really improvise to make something fantastic. And both systems did just that. It's the only generation where it is still difficult to choose which was the real winner. But in the end, anyone who lived in that era were the winners.
As much as I love Contra: Hard Corps and Castlevania Bloodlines, the SNES is the best by far. Good Loed I love that console so much. I still play it all the time!
Is that an Ogre Battle sound bite i hear??!
I had, owned, and loved both. But it's actually kind of funny... i sold my Genesis and all of my games to afford the crazy expensive ($120!!!) Ogre Battle on SNES from FunCoLand.
I had, owned, and loved both. But it's actually kind of funny... i sold my Genesis and all of my games to afford the crazy expensive ($120!!!) Ogre Battle on SNES from FunCoLand.
Is that an Ogre Battle sound bite i hear??!
I had, owned, and loved both. But it's actually kind of funny... i sold my Genesis and all of my games to afford the crazy expensive ($120!!!) Ogre Battle on SNES from FunCoLand.
I had, owned, and loved both. But it's actually kind of funny... i sold my Genesis and all of my games to afford the crazy expensive ($120!!!) Ogre Battle on SNES from FunCoLand.
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