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The Cloud Strife syndrome: what makes an RPG matter? photo

Gather round, little bots. Tonight I have for you a little known tale about the wretched bucket of experiences people fondly refer to as childhood.

Visualize with me, if you will a girl of about 10: short for her age, long mousy brown hair, wearing a ridiculous sleeveless Tour de France shirt, uniform regulation gym shorts and lavender oversized glasses. She's sitting in front of the television playing Phantasy Star 2 for the first time, totally fascinated and absorbed by the characters she's just been introduced to. She's the loner type and doesn't have friends, so while other children enjoy the throes of popularity, puppy love and underage drug abuse, her after school days thereafter are spent exploring Paseo and forgetting the real world existed at all.

Yeah, that dorky little kid was me, and without emotionally rich games, I wouldn't have had the rich experiences that made me fall in love with games in the first place. This thoughtful article from Gamasutra got me thinking about the games that made the biggest impact on me and why.

1. Phantasy Star 2: The opening credits still make me kinda tingly. This was the first game I've ever played that had the balls to kill off an important character. For those noobs who think FFVII did it first, I'm sorry to disappoint you. It was also the first RPG I ever played that chose a futuristic setting instead of the traditional medieval setting. Yeah, it looks like ass next to RPGs of today, but as a kid, I thought about Nei's death for days afterwards.

2. Chrono Trigger: This game is just gold from start to finish. At the time of it's release it was lauded as revolutionary; the multiple endings specifically drew a lot of attention. It never took the heavy route - instead it seemed to keep a brisk pace, always moving forward with lots of events and character interaction. It's weaving of the topic of time travel into the game was so fluid, you never even realized you were exploring major roads of philosophical thought, because you were simply too busy having fun.

3. Final Fantasy VII: Well, you knew it would be on the list, so for those of you who hate it, bitch in the comments. There's no explaining why so many players cared so much about a spiky haired kid with a shitty attitude, but maybe it was the Han Solo formula. Whatever it was, this game is beloved in the annals of RPG gamers' memories for a reason. Fantastic characters, engaging plot, and a world so highly detailed it was hard to remember it wasn't a real place. If Sony does ever decide to stop taunting us and remake this baby for the next gen, there's going to be a joy stampede.
 
4. Silent Hill 2: This game is so freaking perfect it makes my head hurt just thinking about it. Masterfully suspenseful and frightning, it draws you into the story effortlessly with absolutely no idea of what you will face in the end. I actually cried at the conclusion. Being so emotionally engaged with a story that you elicit such a reaction is a surefire sign that the creators have done their job well. It's been recently mentioned that the SH team are drawing on this game's feel for the creation of Silent Hill 5, which makes me a happy little muppet indeed.

5. Final Fantasy X: A lot of people didn't like this one and are going to disagree with this choice. Luckily, this is my article and not yours, so feel free to suck it. Playing through the opening sequence between Tidus and Auron completely fascinated me and made me want to play it through to the end. Of all the FF characters in the series, these were the most real to me. The pilgrimage to Zanarkand really absorbed me as well, and the ending is both completely sad and heartbreakingly beautiful. If you care about being truly engaged in your games, this one is a must.

All joking aside, what are the games that engaged you the most as a player?







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Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:08
Darren Nakamura
I am one of the people who will disagree with you on Final Fantasy X. I was completely uninterested in the story for that game until the very end. I agree though, that the ending was pretty good.
Aaron Linde's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:10
Aaron Linde
Earthbound, lady. That game's got more heart, more soul than any other RPG I've ever played. It's a simple story but speaks volumes on friendship, fate, and just doin' what's right when the shit goes south. It's funny as hell and heartbreakingly beautiful at points -- I think of it a lot like the Little Prince, in which it's something you'll really only understand if you think about it the way you thought when you were twelve.

Great article, Nagiko.
Webimpulse's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:15
Webimpulse
One game that really engaged me as a player back in the day was Deus Ex. To me, the storyline in that game was top notch, as were the interactions with the characters, who reacted differently to you depending on how you reacted to a situation. If you respond to missions with massive violence and bloodshed, characters respond to you differently than had you gone in stealthily and avoided violence. It essence, Deus Ex presented you with moral decisions as to how to respond to missions. Any game that has you question what it is you're doing as a player gets big points in my book.
Namelessted's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:20
Namelessted
Beyond Good & Evil. Its one of the most underrated games of this generation and I love every bit of it. The characters are brilliantly unique. Playing as Jade and uncovering the evil plot of the DomZ. Pey'j was the best sidekick to have in a game, not to mention Double-H. Now I really want to go play this game.
Lider's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:27
Lider
I never cared about Cloud, he is the worst character on FF7 and I personally think that FF4 is MUCH more emotional than 7. Certainly PS2 has, Ney, but Cecil on FF4 loses lots of friends in battle it was first for me to see so many characters for wich I somewhat cared have such ending.
That's a pretty good list. I think you could add Final Fatansy Tactics there too (maybe switch it with FF7, wich isn't that great really).
talon84's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:29
talon84
The RPG that I remember playing that I thought was interesting gameplay wise is EVO. A long forgotton game for the SNES where the main character has to evolve thorugh the various stages of evolution. I thought it was interesting because of customizability of the character. During the Mesozoic levels, I managed to make a T-Rex with a Triceratops shield and horns. I really wish Square Enix would remake it or release it on VC.
Rosbif's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:31
Rosbif
Good post, Nagiko, I agree with you totally on Chrono Trigger. Ahh, great times. Though it wasn't too story oriented, Super Mario World will always bring me a smile when I play it. Of course, Secret of Mana and Illusion of Gaia remind me of the good ol' days, even games like Lufia (1&2) bring me back.

While we're on topic of reaching into our past, the name of some old animated movie always escapes me, I wonder if any of you guys know what it is. I remember some vague details like a big blimp called the "Dirigible" and beds sprouting legs and walking down streets.
Faith's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:37
Faith
Jumpman Jr. for the Commodore 64. That sealed the deal, baby and made me gamer for life!
kaoru's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:46
kaoru
I just created an account in order to agree with you about FFX, it is by far my favourite Final Fantasy game for plot. I absolutely fell in love with Tidus and Yuna, and the ending - wow :) Love it!
Kiro_RedWolf's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 17:50
Kiro_RedWolf
Nagiko, I felt exactly the same way with FFX. When I hear the piano theme today I get goosebumps. Aries death is FF7 didn't effect me because I already knew it was coming (recently played it), but I did tear up when Dyne (Baret's old friend) died.
5lectro's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:07
5lectro
! RPG, Silent hill 2?

Beyond good & evil IS a great game, but i don't think it really pushes all the emotion and character background buttons it could have. Guess you can't fit as much in 12 hours as in 40. + the ending was very dissapointing.

I guess Chrono trigger/FF6/FF7 are the triforce of rpg's. You have great characters that can't be ruined by bad voice acting and the low quality of the graphics made for less fanservice-oriented character design. And great, believable plots with epic, memorable scenes. I somehow never connected with FF4 as much as some have. I see the major influence it had on the FF6 plot, but emotion-wise it's about as empty as a nes game.
FF8 i think had most of what it took, but the plot got wierd with the "guess we forgot lol" basketball court scene, and the time crash thing was unnecessary. However, i think the Balamb garden attack scene is still one of the best in RPG gaming.
Chrono Cross is an example of the dev team making a couple wrong choices early in development without anyone pushing them back in the right track. Too many characters, overthought time travel plot.

Silent hill: each time i see Harry wake up at the cafe, i thing "it's starting again". Silent hill is fucking hell on repeat. I can stop listening, but Harry Mason is stuck there forever.
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:12
Colette Bennett
@5lectro: I know, Silent Hill 2 technically is not an RPG. Thing is, it absorbed me like an RPG usually does, so even though it's not a perfect fit for the title, I had to add it in.

@Kaoru: My devious plot is working - I'm coverting lurkers into commenters. Welcome to Destructoid. :) Now keep commenting!!!
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:20
CaffeinePowered
I agree with putting both of those FFs on the list as well as Chrono Trigger, but I would say just FF in general, IV, VI, VII, and X are probably my favorites.

As far as engaging, Id put Fallout on my list, one of the more overlooked RPGs because it was on the PC, its mix of dark humor, a post nuclear war setting, and with a 1950's vision of the future.

I would also put the original Doom and Mario on my list, I bought an NES with my own money when I was 5 and the amount of time I spent playing mario and duck hunt was ridiculous.

Doom I remember playing the first time when I was 10, and I remember it scared the crap out of me, I couldn't go through the game without the security of God mode and a BFG.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:22
CaffeinePowered
Gah, really need an edit or delete post button :(

*As far as engaging, Id put Fallout on my list, one of the more overlooked RPGs because it was on the PC, its mix of dark humor, a post nuclear war setting, and with a 1950's vision of the future really pulled me in and has had me replaying it several times.
GatsuTheBerserker's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:30
GatsuTheBerserker
I have to sadly say FF8 was what pulled me in. Yes, not an entirely great game but with my entire family having the lack of money to buy any game back in a day (such as FF4, tis my favorite...though 12 could possibly take it) I had to wait for years to get into RPGs. I don't know why people complained about the junction system though, the game is THE easiest out of the entire series. 1000 exp per level? That says it all. Anyway, it's not so much my favorite RPG and such, but it's the game that linked me to the older and better stuff I missed through my poor ghetto trailer house days.
doro's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:33
doro
I have to agree that while not an RPG technically, Silent Hill 2 is very much worth mention here. Since that game, Silent Hill has been easily one of my favorite game series of all time. My games to remember from childhood (mostly RPGs) have been Metroid, Final Fantasy 2(US), and the Secret of Mana.
thisissami's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:35
thisissami
FFX is my favorite FF, with only FFIV and FFVIII coming near it in terms of my love for them... but yes, FFX = beautiful, only game to ever make me cry except for Zone of the Enders... zone of the enders is the most underrated game ever IMO (and it's sequel)

IT'S A MUST HAVE FOR EVERYBODY!!!
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 18:42
Grimspoon
I'm glad there are still people whose opinion will reach a vast audience who are willing to speak up and give Final Fantasy VII the respect it deserves.

Honerable mention to EarthBound.
jedipirate's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 19:00
jedipirate
I grew up in a very rural area of kentucky. While most of the "city kids" were out playing basketball with each other or killing time at McDonalds, I was home playing video games because I really had no other means of fun.

That being said, having since sold all of my old systems (what was I thinking?) I did manage to keep the one game that keeps me going back (via emulator or some other means) -- Final Fantasy VI (III).

It had the makings of greatness -- gripping storyline, characters that anyone could relate with, flying airships (c'mon, everyone's wanted one at some point); it was episodic... you would always be pulled back the next day.

I grew up on that game. I'm 23 now, and I still go back and play that game every so often.

Other notables: FFIV, FFV, Chrono Trigger... Eh, there's more, but too many to mention
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 19:05
Fronz
Rodents Revenge taught me how to live
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 19:37
SubOrbital
Chrono Trigger was absolutely fantastic. I sure hope that makes the VC. Final Fantasy VII was my first intro to series and it was a fantastic one for me. My favorite FF game ever.
tiffsauce's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 19:40
tiffsauce
FF VI, VII, and Chronotrigger will always be traced into my heart.

I don't know what kind of game ToeJam and Earl qualifies as, but as a kid that game absolutely sucked me into funkytown for copious hours at a time. And despite my less than popular status as a poofy hair kid in those days, I knew that I had at least leveled up from 'Doofus' and 'Pointdexter' in that world, so things were okay. Jammin'!
GatsuTheBerserker's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 19:52
GatsuTheBerserker
@Grimspoon
Respect it deserves? Dude, have you not seen the massive fan base of teenybopper 14 year old girls and guys? FF7 is definitely a good game, but it's way overrated due to the fact the fanbase is made up on kids who like looking at pretty pixels. Which is why a lot of people hate it as well. There's too many kids running around loving this game who have only played one or two other RPGs and really don't know anything about it. Much like the anime fan-girls/boys you see every now and then. Kids who only know about anime when it's on cartoon network, technically the same audience.
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 21:24
Grimspoon
GatsuTheBerserker:

As a gamer who was weaned on the great RPG classics of the 8 and 16 bit era, and continues to play RPGs with great passion to this very day, I am able to say with great confidence that I know an awe-inspiring RPG when I play one, and at the time - and even to this day, Final Fantasy VII stands out as one of the greats.

Even if it is considered a mainstream RPG, which is what I suspect a lot of gamers dislike about it (perhaps to make them seem more "hardcore"?) I can still look back and say "hey, this game was damned good and it contributed sometihng important to the genre". And I can say that with confidence, knowing I'm right. Not only because of the throngs of people who agree with me, despite what seems to be a growing tend in recent years to stomp on this title, but also because I've paid my dues and have been playing RPGs since before a lot of people developed the motor skills to pick up a controller and play the game.
generaldane's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 22:08
generaldane
am i the onlyone who was happy when Aries died in ff7 i hated that bitch good riddance is what i said

Game that absorb me Chrono fucking trigger this is simply the best of its kind fucking argument

Zelda Ocarina of time (do i even need to explain why on this one?)

FF6 screw you n00bs this is better than ff7

super mario bros 3 rpg or not i love this game

Zelda links awakening my favorite 2d zelda and yes i have played loz lttp

Super mario rpg this game fucking rocks

i really dont feel like going onm anymore so thats it
Aloke's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2006 22:42
Aloke
No love for FFIX? C'mon, Vivi and Kuja and some the best characters I have seen in games.
reddye_5's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2007 00:47
reddye_5
Yeah. Great games all. I haven't played PS2, but I have it kicking around somewhere. This should motivate me to give it a try.

But, yeah Aloke. I had to stop playing FF9 because it was just getting too sad. Poor Dagger...
GodLen's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2007 04:50
GodLen
I totally agree with you on FFX, though the one that hit me the most was FFVI
denki's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2007 07:08
denki
All y'all are pussies.

FFX was the worst FF game to have been made in a long time. Why? Because there was no mystery. The second any character is intorduced we are practically given their entire life story, and then we have to put up with them telling us about it every 5 minutes when another really poorly scripted cutscene is shown. Yes Tidus, I understand you're a fucking retard who wants everything his own way. Yes Yuna, we'll all stand by you as you make your worthless pilgrimage because we don't have a choice. Wakka, smoke more pot, Auron, I know you're a zombie already. The best games of RPG series had characters with ambiguous pasts; look at Zidane and Cloud, we know nothing about them even 70% of the way through the game. Well, the same could almost be said for Tidus, except we were given the idea that we knew his past when we didn't; with Zidane and Cloud, we were basically left in the dark and they constantly had to question their own importance and existance. Tidus? "HEY LETS GO PILGRIMAGE BLITZBALL WOO GIMME A FERRARI." The only way to play FFX is to do something else at the same time, so you don't have to sit through the hours of horribly scripted and voiced cutscenes. I was more emotionally involved in watching a dog vomit than I was in FFX. FFIX on the other hand, fucking brilliant. At least there were multiple storylines other than a group of dipshits willingly following a path to their own destruction.

Goddamn I hate FFX.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2007 10:57
ceark
terranigma. ff7. breath of fire 4. okami. dreamfall. that would be my top 5.
crazywes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2007 14:59
crazywes
I would have to say the orginal Final Fantasy is what got me into RPG's initially. It is still the only FF I have ever played completely through. Baldur's Gate is what brought me back to the genre.
Aequitas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/02/2007 11:55
Aequitas
@Lider: The only problem with the tragic fates of FF4 characters is, they all come back to life in the end anyway. :)

Great article, Nagiko. For my part, I'd have to say FF7 and Xenogears. More recently FF12 and Dragon Quest 8. I was somewhat pleasantly surprised to see FF6 wasn't on your list, especially leading off with the old school PS2, but also because it ends up on just about everyone's favorites list.

I have to promote my underdog favorite for a second here:
Xenogears doesn't get the credit it deserves. I think it was maligned largely by the ADHD population who can't maintain a single line of thought for more than 10 seconds. I will concede that the second disc was crap, but it felt like they ran out of development time and just threw in a narrative summary of what they -wanted- to put in. I'd like to see it remade.
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