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The Britcepticons: Sony versus God versus Jesus H. Blair photo

The fight against so-called 'violent' videogames is quickly degenerating into self parody. With the arguments against the games industry becoming evermore flimsy and social clowns like Jack Thompson increasingly desperate for attention, every new attack launched against a videogame has become one new farce after another. This past weekend saw the idiocy hit critical mass however, when, as I reported myself, the Church of England threatened to sue Sony for allowing Resistance: Fall of Man to show the interior of Manchester Cathedral.

With the church not quite as influential in Britain as it sadly is in the United States, I expected this issue to fizzle out and die, but it has not ceased, becoming more ludicrous as time goes on, to the point where the King of England, Archmage Anthonius Blairstard (or Prime Minister Tony Blair to some), decided to weigh in and make this all political as well. Because of course, Church and State have authority in the entertainment sector and we should listen to what they have to say.

Well two people say no. NO TO YOU, BLAIR AND NO TO YOU, GOD! They are Jim Sterling and David Houghton, Destructoid's premier British editors who, when their tea-drinking powers combine, become The Britcepticons. After the jump, both David and I share with the world our thoughts in ways that only two very angry Europeans can.  

David Meghoughtron: First a disclaimer. No part of this article is an attack on the faith of any group or individual, and all comments made are in relation to the Church of England's current feud with Sony, and that feud only. We all good? Okay then ...  

Right, lets get to the issue at the heart of this, shall we? Or rather, the non-issue as I should say, because that's exactly what it is. The Church wants to sue Sony for using the image of Manchester cathederal without permission, thereby "desecrating" it, and also adding to the already prevalent gun crime in the city. Allow me to look at those three points individually. 

Firstly, Sony did not need any kind of permission to use the building. It's a public building
and therefore copywrite infringement does not apply. End of story.

Secondly, Sony has not desecrated the building in any way. They presented a fictionalized version of it in an entertainment medium, and believe it or not, doing that did not actually involve sending any actual aliens or actual soldiers into the actual cathederal. Because, you know, it was a videogame, and not real life. Trust me, I live in Manchester. The cathederal's still standing. And the Church can't get them on the defamation of character charge either. To be fair, that one might have actually worked had the game involved a C of E vicar selling crack from the font, but it didn't. It merely used the location as a backdrop, so a defense of "Shut up your hysterical babblings" most definitely applies. 

Thirdly, a brand-new game having a noticable effect on gun crime, merely by representing guns in a real world location? No. Using existing geography in a game does not make it any more real, immersive or likely to influence a person's actions. Just ask anyone who's ever played a Call Of Duty game and then not gone off to shoot up some German citizens. After years of no evidence to support, and increasing evidence to the contrary, the old "games as an influence" argument is getting pretty tired now anyway. And even if not, how many Manchester yobs are realistically going to get into a life gun crime on the off-chance that they might get to shoot an alien one day?

So what do we actually have here? Well at best, be have the Church pulling its usual trick of trying to sue anyone who even acknowledges its existence in a popular medium (Seriously, why are they always so touchy about any kind of media treatment? You'd think they were insecure or something), and at worst we have an increasingly unpopular institution looking for some free publicity and positive PR, and realizing that videogames are a good hot potato to get the press riled up with. In truth, it's quite possible that it's a combination of both. The claims being made by the Church are so woefully out of touch and desperate that if this whole fiasco isn't a horribly contrived bid for publicity and sympathy, then they appear to be far more out of step with the modern world than anyone could have feared:

"For a global manufacturer to re-create one of our great cathedrals with a photo-realistic quality and then encourage people to have gun battles in the building is beyond belief and highly irresponsible."

Of course. Sony are encouraging people to have gun battles in your cathedral. Bless your poor confused little mind. Now if you'll excuse me, Nintendo are on the phone trying to persuade me to go round to the aquarium with them and stamp on some turtles.  

And now we have President Tony's response of, well, not very much at all. A collection of non-commital vaguenesses which make a definite point of not really addressing anything in particular. But then what are we to expect during the death throes of a self-serving career polititian such as himself, who's spent the majority of his career using the political arena merely to masturbate his own ego and make friends in high places? With the Church on one side and a very rich corporation on the other, he can't side with anyone for fear of offending, so despite the C of E's total lack of a legal leg to stand on, we get a non-specific response of "Well maybe, but I don't know. The Church is probably right. Stop asking me things". Well done on upholding freedom of artistic speech in the face of a nonsensical challenge there Tony. 

So in the end, all of this boils down to a self-important, self-publicizing and unfounded claim being justified by a lack of opposition, despite an absence of legal grounding. Of course no-one's trying to take away the Church's right to be offended. Everyone has that right. But no-one has is a legal right to sue or have something banned merely because they are offended. 

Oh, and as an aside, I find it thoroughly ironic that I'm being expected to accept the stance that

"... it is important that people understand there is a wider social responsibility as well as an interior responsibility for profits"

from a man who happily bombed out two countries in order to follow his new best friend in an arms-industry boosting oil hunt. Thanks for the advice Tony, but I think I'll make my moral judgements for myself. That okay with you? Awesome.

Jim Sterlscream: I already made my feelings clear on the original, ridiculous situation during the weekend and David has added his thoughts to perfection, so there's no point me rehashing that. I would, however, like to focus on His Royal Blairness as well as give a few wider thoughts in general. 

Firstly, who asked these damn politicians to get involved in the first place? Just like actors and singers shouldn't be pushing their political opinions on us (seriously, shut up and act/sing), politicians need to keep their greasy noses out of the entertainment industry. They're supposed to be running a country, not distracting themselves with videogames, but then again, when has Tony Blair actually paid more attention to government than popular culture, international showboating and trying to be loved by everyone? This is, after all, the man who can't fix the National Health Service but always has time for a Simpsons cameo. 

Simply put, the government has no business here. You wouldn't ask a plumber to fix your car, would you? There's no difference between that and this. It's bad enough that they're making their opinions known in arenas outside of what should be their concern, but then they spew the utter trash that was dribbled out all over Prime Minister's Questions this week, it goes from annoying to flat out disgraceful. 

It was Manchester Central MP Tony Lloyd who originally brought this issue up and I'd like to focus firstly on what it is he said, which was thus:

"Would the Prime Minister agree with me then that when Sony used images of Manchester Cathedral as part a game which extols gun violence, this was not only in bad taste but also very, very insulting to not simply the Church of England, but people across the land who think it's inappropriate that big corporations behave in this way?"

Um ... what? What? The most frustrating part is that the above paragraph so perfectly argues in my favor through virtue of being utterly stupid that there's very little I can do to point out exactly what's so retarded about it. This idiot, who's probably watched many action movies in his time, packed full of gunplay, doesn't even explain how the use of Manchester Cathedral is insulting, outside of merely guessing that the game "extolls" violence and then passing off his assumption as fact. Yes, Mr. Lloyd, actually play some videogames and then come back to me, okay? Right now, your uninformed opinion's about as worthless as the Church of England until you actually know what you're talking about.

Of course, Blair has to agree because he possesses no spine and is unable to think for himself. David already quoted the coward's response, but I'd like to show you again because I have a very heartfelt thing to say on the matter:

"I think it's important that any of the companies engaged in promoting these types of goods have some sense of responsibility and also some sensitivity to the feelings of others."

This very quote is indicative of the problems we have in today's society, this idea that somebody else is responsible for everyone else. People throw the word "responsibility" around these days like candy and usually they haven't the faintest clue what that word actually means. No form of media EVER has a responsibility to do anything other than entertain. It's not Sony's job to care about the feelings of others. Sony is a corporation and it has only one duty - make money. That's what a corporation exists to do. Its product, in this case, videogames, has but one duty also - to entertain. Just like when Marilyn Manson gets lambasted for not setting a good example to children, it amuses me to see videogames attacked for not always being about fluffy bunnies who need more strawberries for their damn strawberry party. Manson's only job is to make music, not be a moral guardian. Similarly, a game can shoot as many aliens as it wants, even those freaking strawberry loving bunny twats, provided it entertains.

The only people who need to set moral standards are people who's very jobs are based in morality, like, say, all the vicars who are too busy weeping and pissing themselves because there are Blu-ray discs that have pictures of their beloved cathedral on them. 

All that aside, David said it best. Tony Blair is responsible for more violence being shown on British television than any videogame, mainly because the footage we see on BBC News 24 constantly is real. That's genuine gun violence and that's genuine death. While I'm not as strictly anti-war as many people, at least in this late stage of the whole stupid situation out in Iraq, I will just say that for a man who's caused so much violence in the real world, should he really be pretending to care about violence in the virtual one?

[Britcepticons Out] 

 


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Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:30
Joseph Leray
Wall of words!

No, but seriously, I'll read it. Just ... it'll take a while.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:35
BlindsideDork
Shouldn't you be Britotobots?

Decepticons were the bads guys...unless you want to be bad, do you?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:36
Jim Sterling
A good ladyfriend of mine suggested "Autobrits". Come on though, since when are English people the good guys?
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:36
Joseph Leray
Now that I've read it, where do I go to give you guys handjobs?
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:40
BlindsideDork
or Britobots, rather...

Then you can be David Houghtimus Prime and Jim Sterlmblebee!
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:40
BlindsideDork
Isn't James Bond always the good guy?
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:43
cjpkiller
who the fuck is jim sterlmblebee?!
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:43
BahamutZero
the whole thing of whining about violent games while sending soldiers not old enough to drink to die (not a prob in the UK) while ignoring archaic gun laws is totally LOL
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:44
Jim Sterling
Jim Sterlmblebee is perhaps the worst thing that BlindesideDork has ever written - ever.

Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:46
Joseph Leray
How the hell would you even pronounce that? There aren't enough vowells. Just look at the consonnants: "rlmbl".
Miller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:54
Miller
@cjpkiller

You didn't read the conversation at all did you....*sigh*


Well done Jim, I must commend you on again another great article that was well worth the read. When I first saw this on the news I thought it was ridiculous just another attempt to bash the video game industry. Hopefully they will move their radar to a new medium soon enough.
David Houghton 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:54
David Houghton
rlmbl should be an internet acronym, but it's not.

Half an internet to the first person who comes up with a meaning for it.
Miller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:55
Miller
Real Like Maracas But Larger
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:56
Jim Sterling
rlmbl: Trying to fuck someone in the asshole with an erect nipple.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 13:56
Jim Sterling
Oh wait, I suck at reading. That was a term, not an acronym.

It still rules though.
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:01
UglyDuck
We never ever see a full, unchecked debate between the two sides of this kind of argument, do we? We only ever get one side, right? It's just one article that gets fired off, and another one that gets fire back from the other side. And any debate that does occur, is interupted because they're run out of time, right? Even the interviews aren't penetrating enough... Why? Well, here's my theory.

We're afraid of winning, without then being able to perform the ritual teabagging afterwards. There's no other explaination. We're just confined to our game worlds, where all we want to do is hump someone elses face off, to the point where that is our ONLY reward. If a gamer doesn't get to scream "MY BALLS IN YOUR FACE BITCH" into his Xbox live headset with that much conflicting tension between the sides, it would literally cause the universe to collapse and contract back in on itself, around that very gamers testicles.

The only other reason I can think of is that God is preventing us from proving all his moronic avocates wrong. He's protecting them in the same way that you protect a child from being bullied at school, even if he is a jerk...
Tempus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:06
Tempus
Big wheel up to you two, that was a jolly good read. Now then, off to shoot more yellow people for ammo on TC3...
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:12
Justice
Yay british folk!
Even more yay true british folk!
Raymod's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:14
Raymod
Allow me to be the one to spearhead the Scottish devision of the Britcepticons, everyone loved the Decepticons more.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:15
Justice
Ok just read it
Serious article, I love the Blair gunning haha and ugly phil that is one heck of a point you have.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:16
BlindsideDork
Oh man...just reading all those comments, I am busting up at work. I believe this is the hardest I have laughed while at work. Tears are coming from my eyes...it is that good!
HammerTiem's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:19
HammerTiem
Last time i checked violence is wired into everyones brains its in our DNA, its if you have strength to just be nasty in game and not to people in real life that is the issue.

games don't cause violence, people do. How hard is that to accept?

People are just horrible, live with it.

Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:19
Jim Sterling
Descottishcons!
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:20
UglyDuck
I will make an actual point though... David, you vitimised the church for being full blown jackasses, which is fine, but then you vitimised Tony for sitting on the fence and trying not to offend anyone. Basically, unless you're a fanatical hardcore gamer, you can't win... is that it?

Correct me if i'm wrong, just seems a bit sweeping...
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:21
UglyDuck
Thanks Justice :)
Raymod's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:32
Raymod
Descottishcons, "OCH AYE!!!!" I'm saying that like Angus From Kasumi Ninja right after he punched someones face in, kicked their head off and then head butted (Glasgow Kissed) it out of the picture. :D
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:49
ArrestedDeveloper
I'd go with Scottobots, Descottishcons doesn't roll off the tounge as easy.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 14:50
ArrestedDeveloper
Also I want the Church of England to win, just because it would be funny.
David Houghton 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:00
David Houghton
Ugly Phil: I see your point, but I was criticising Blair not from the perspective of a hardcore gaming bias, but in regards to what I perceived to be the spineless "Please everyone" approach he was taking. I'd actually have preferred him to come down solidly on either side rather than sit sheepishly in the middle. We're talking about a man who ignored his entire country in order to take their sons to war, so he's not exactly got a problem with forthright controversy, and to suddenly become wishy-washy now just smacks of a late attempt to go out with everyone liking him. His whole embarrassing legacy tour has been all about that. The guy's all about personal image, and he doesn't really care about the responsibilities of his job.

Sorry if that didn't come out clearly.
TheTaj's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:10
TheTaj
It's a public building. Shouldn't the case end right then and there?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:25
Jim Sterling
Following on from what Dave just said, there wasn't really any contradiction on his part anyway. You can come down on the Church for their opinion AND Blair for being on the fence, because the opinion is stupid and the fence sitting is spineless. They're not conflicting criticisms in the least.
David Houghton 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:49
David Houghton
Taj: Yeah, it should, and legally, it probably already has. But the vaporous nature of the lawsuit doesn't need to be admitted to while there's still free PR to be wrung out of the media circus.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:52
LordRegulus
What's going to happen when Halo 3 comes out and alien-killing gun battles erupt all over the Earth?

For a global manufacturer to re-create one of our home planets with a photo-realistic quality and then encourage people to have gun battles on the surface is beyond belief and highly irresponsible.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:57
LordRegulus
[i]Super Mario Bros.

"For a global manufacturer to re-create one of our great indoor plumbing systems with a photo-realistic quality and then encourage people to have gun battles in its pipes is beyond belief and highly irresponsible."

Tron 2.0

"For a global manufacturer to re-create one of our great Internets with a photo-realistic quality and then encourage people to have gun battles in the network is beyond belief and highly irresponsible."

Metal Gear Solid 4

"For a global manufacturer to re-create one of our great third-world countries with a photo-realistic quality and then encourage people to have gun battles in the slums is beyond belief and highly irresponsible."

Call of Duty

"For a global manufacturer to re-create one of our great military victories with a photo-realistic quality and then encourage people to have gun battles on the battlefield is beyond belief and highly irresponsible."
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 15:59
LordRegulus
And wait a second...

I thought we (Uhmerkans) had it bad when it came to the separation of Church and State.

Who's in charge over there, Henry VIII?
atheistium's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 16:25
atheistium
Tea? Crumpets? Sounds like my territory!
lostalaska's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 16:25
lostalaska
"...no-one has a legal right to sue or have something banned merely because they are offended."

Please come over to the US and let people know that... because we Americans sue each other over some ridiculous crap.

Honestly this almost feels like a challenge from the Church. Is there anyway the guys that made the game Black could set the next one in the Vatican? Just let me know before it happens as I prefer to step out from behind the fan when its about to hit.
brad drac's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 16:26
brad drac
I've been smacking my head over this all week. Nice writeup. Although, I think "jimblebee sterling" works better than "jim sterlmblebe".
brad drac's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 16:32
brad drac
=> lostalaska: CoE = protestent(formed by henry VIII when he wasn't allowed to divorce), vatican = roman catholic. They're not actually the same church, so it would be a separate controversy.
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 16:39
UglyDuck
Okay... good enough. Really, it comes down to perspective... you could see him as a vain, appearance obsessed jackass, or you could see him as a guy who does and says what he believes is right. But then that's why you said "what I percieved as", which is an admirable trait.

I'm not pro blair or anti blair, i'm just confused about a lot of what goes on in politics; there's a lot of different motives for doing the things you do, some of them misguided, some of them are misunderstood... See everything your saying from the perspective of someone like me who doesn't really understand a lot of what goes on around him and who would rather be neatural than say something without seeing the whole picture.

Really, my perception is that a series of circumstances led to him having to take a gamble that would indeed affect thousands of lives. Once it became increasingly clear that it was probably all bollocks, he probably though to himself "Aw fuckballs, they're gonna hang me for this". I think the contries more worried about their appearance would be the ones who DIDN'T go to war, because they didn't want to create controvacy in their country that would inevitably lead to what we've seen over here and in America... On the other hand, he may have been doing it for money, for resources, for some unknown, underlying reason... who knows?

I don't want to create a political flame war, just point out that perhaps sitting on the fence isn't because you actually care about the way you look, but because you don't want ot say something stupid that is obviously just going to piss people off.

Fuck it. I don't know. I just do my best to be honest and try to get along with people at the same time, that's all I can really be sure of. Let's just get someone to rape JT, make him pregnant and then kill the feotus at 32 weeks.

UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 16:43
UglyDuck
Those rising tides... things are getting wet...
The bermuda triangle; the hidden oraphis. :D
Australia isn't barren. It's shaven :D

I could go on like this...
lethaljim's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 17:26
lethaljim
uglyphil has made me literally lol about 4 times. i want to teabag the archbishop on canterbury. to perhaps be very british i could do it with an actual teabag. attached to my balls.
lethaljim's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 17:28
lethaljim
*of canterbury sorry
Ninjajuice66's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 18:18
Ninjajuice66
BlindsideDork, James bond is Scotch-Polsih, if I'm not mistaken. His parents died in a skiing accident. Though this is from Pierce Brosnan's continuity, so I don't know if it still stands now that Casino Royale came out :(
Ninjajuice66's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 18:18
Ninjajuice66
BlindsideDork, James bond is Scotch-Polsih, if I'm not mistaken. His parents died in a skiing accident. Though this is from Pierce Brosnan's continuity, so I don't know if it still stands now that Casino Royale came out :(
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 18:29
MechaMonkey
Weren't the Junkicons in the Transformers movie British?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 18:32
Jim Sterling
The lead Junkion was voiced by Monty Python's Eric Idle, yes.
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 18:40
UglyDuck
Thanks, lethal jim :). If you die unexpectedly, mention my name to St Paul, he'll pull a few strings and let you live a little longer; I need more people around here who laugh at my jokes. ;)
jerrt's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 18:49
jerrt
wait someone told me that tony blair had already stepped down. doesn't that mean he has no pull? i'm from the US but i love the queen. i feel we should ask her how she feels. you can't tell me she hasn't played it. she's the queen.
Raymod's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2007 19:05
Raymod
OH NO! someone just referred to a Scottish person as Scotch!!!! Scotch is a drink!.
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