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TGS 2007: Now the PS3 is a Blu-ray player.  photo

It was only a few weeks ago when Square-Enix called Sony out on its confusing marketing of the PlayStation 3, due to the fact that the machine was being pushed as a different type of system at different times. Is it a multimedia player? Is it a computer? Is it a games system? Just what demographic is Sony trying to reach with its schizophrenic marketing? Well, Kaz Hirai answered Square-Enix and straight up told us "The PS3 is a game machine." Awesome, that's settled then.

Except ... not.

Seems that even after saying just yesterday that the PS3 is a game machine, Sony has once again changed its tune and is now pushing the console as a Blu-ray player this Christmas. Hirai did admit that pushing the console's multiple functions is a "balancing act," and Sony definitely needs to be careful, because trying to do too much leads to confusion. "The PS3 is first and foremost a videogames machine but we want to say – by the way, it's a great Blu-ray player as well," Hirai stated. To be honest, I don't think that message has ever been in danger of getting lost. We've heard it plenty of times in the past.

Sony recognizes it has to be careful, but how careful will it actually be? We have to remember that gamers typically don't care much for format wars, they just want a good game library. Both of the previous PlayStation incarnations proved that superior hardware means nothing in the face of superior software. We're all well aware that Blu-ray gives us the best Talladega Nights experience one could ask for, but now is the time to promote the games.

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wardrox's Avatar
wardrox at 09/21/2007 10:06
Blu-ray player with built in PS3? Now I need it.
DeusPayne's Avatar
DeusPayne at 09/21/2007 10:07
Games, who needs that when you got the Nights to watch.
Snaileb 's Avatar
Snaileb at 09/21/2007 10:12
No, we need them to market the PS3 like this.

Remember what Square Enix said if they wouldn't?
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Trev at 09/21/2007 10:24
It seems like they focus on individual features instead of trying to put "it does everything" into each presentation. I can see how that makes sense, but I think they need to determine it more by the audience than just alternating it.

Hirai seems to put it well in more candid settings, but when he's on stage he's trying to sell the system instead of just giving a straight answer. Everyone does it. The theme could be "Step Right Up" by Tom Waits.
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JACK of No Trades at 09/21/2007 10:32
Poor poor Sony. I hate to tell you this but Blu-Ray drive isn't going to move the PS3 like the DVD drive moved the PS2.
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BS3 Owner at 09/21/2007 10:38
Sony's Next BS3...

Need to come stock...

w/prescription bottle of Lithium & a copy Motorstorm!
It would "PUSH" millions of Americans to buy 1 or 3!
wardrox's Avatar
wardrox at 09/21/2007 10:41
@Trev I agree, if they maybe had 1 campaign with different parts, focusing on the different strengths of the console?

I would buy a PS3 if there were games I could get excited about, or if HD was more important now. Also, if it didn't cost so dam much! Sell it for < £200 and you have a consideration, < £150 and you have a deal.
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AgentMOO at 09/21/2007 10:43
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hexix at 09/21/2007 10:45
Huh? What's wrong with advertising the PS3's capabilities? It's idiotic not to.

I think the only people who would have a problem with the PS3 being marketed as a movie player, game machine, media center, so on are people threatened by PS3's success.

Getting PS3s into living rooms, in any fashion is good business. Increased hardware numbers means increased developer support and more/better games. I'm failing to see the argument against it.
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AngelsDontBurn at 09/21/2007 10:52
Wow.
wardrox's Avatar
wardrox at 09/21/2007 10:53
@hexix

That's not the issue, it's the fact they don't say "it can do z b and c" it's the fact they say "It is built for a" then a few days later say "This is best for b"
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BS3 Owner at 09/21/2007 10:54
@ hexix

Nothing seems to be working except PriceCuts...
It's their advertising that, honestly as a BS3 "EARLY ADOPTER" is laughable...

L@@K Microsoft... They pushing (B)illions into ads & "Deals"... HALO 3 GAMEFUEL Mt. DEW, anyone? A Halo 3 Themed Nascar... HALO 3 on every G**D**N Website on the face of the planet...

I WANTED to buy a 360 2-3 times, until I broke down & ONLY bought a BS3! AND to make matters worse I'm hyped up more about Halo3 than my ( REALLY AWSOME ) copy of Heavenly Sword... Why because I've been beat down by Microcrap's AD Campaigns... Not that I want Halo3 I just wish I was hyped up about the NEXT SONY BIG THING... Well that is... ( Adds Sony's Awesome Advertisment, Where? )

Get it?
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Taicho at 09/21/2007 10:58
Didn't some study come out that only like 40% of PS3 owners are aware of its Blu-ray functions? I agree with Hexix about the hatred towards the PS3. If the 360 had the same capabilities, you can bet your ass that those features would be in our face everytime you log on to live or all over the blogosphere. The no games argument doesn't hold up as well anymore either so I don't mind if Sony lets a few more people in on the fact that the PS3 is a kick-ass media center with really cool games.

Also, I think this was Kutaragi's vision all along. I mean The PS1 played audio cds and some asian versions played video cds so it was a media player then, a hi-def media player now.
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jerrt at 09/21/2007 11:04
you know, i'm getting kind of sick of this debate. am i really one of a small group of people that can see it for everything that it does and still appreciate it all?

when you go buy a car usually the more options the better. now more options means more money so people have to make decisions concerning this balance between options and price.

now granted there isn't as many options with the ps3, but you are getting a machine that has lots of options that make it versatile beyond being just a game machine.

i don't know, i guess i just can't stop thinking [thanks to this bickering] there is a very large part of the population that think, " does the playstation 3 play games? i mean the ps1 and ps2 play games, but the ps3 seems like it does other stuff. that fact alone brings in to question its ability to play games." seriously, can that be true?

come on everyone, don't give the ps3 an identity crisis too. people already make fun of it because of its figure. let it be all that it can be. [and no that was not an army pun, just what i wanted to say]
AgentMOO's Avatar
AgentMOO at 09/21/2007 11:04
Dude, don't say L@@K here, save it for your ebay auctions
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BluDesign at 09/21/2007 11:06
I bought mine for the BluRay player. What's the problem? It plays games as well? OH NOES!
deanhatescoffee's Avatar
deanhatescoffee at 09/21/2007 11:07
Wait a minute - PS3 plays Blu-ray movies?
BS3 Owner's Avatar
BS3 Owner at 09/21/2007 11:07
^ You would think basing the purchase of a PS3, would be it's technical merits... ( Blu-Ray Discs/Player ) is the biggest one next to the Cell Processor.

40% of the people that bought one ( Me not one of them ), bought it solely on hype; apparently!

That's poor Advertising on Sony's part... For what I believe as the best next-gen console... Sony is so use to be #1. They forgot what's it like to be behind. Meaning a atmosphere & an attitude once strongly held, needs tuning & reshaping!
Leviathan's Avatar
Leviathan at 09/21/2007 11:17
PS3 seems to be a technical achievement, however the same problems surrounding its marketing that caused the systme to limp to their debut will cause them to limp to the holiday season.

PS3 is really going to need to capitalize on not only its versatility as a gaming console and a blu ray player, but that it has games that people should be looking forward to. Microsoft has peddled Halo3 everywhere, same with Gears of War. PS3 needs to do the same with MGS4 and GoW 3
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luvmysegadc at 09/21/2007 11:21
Call me crazy if you will, but I remember the Sega Saturn having more power than the PS1 and the Sega Dreamcast having more power than the PS2 and neither could match Sony's library of games. Sega at the very least had games worth playing. The PS3 STILL doesn't have a library to speak of and STILL has no games worth playing (except Resistance:Fall of Man). Having a BluRay (or HDDvd) player right now makes no sense because the market hasn't decided which format stays or goes. Newer PS3 have no backward compatibility (or is that Europe only?) or rumble controllers. Bottom Line: Square Enix is right to be concerned because the average consumer doesn't have $250 - $600 or more to just throw away. When said consumer is ready to spend their money on a system, Square wants their games on that system.
Cheeburga's Avatar
Cheeburga at 09/21/2007 11:30
Can I has vidya game playar? :[
BluDesign's Avatar
BluDesign at 09/21/2007 11:36
Uh... no.

PS3's still have BC, it's just all software now instead of hardware, so less titles are compatible. But if Cabala's Super Beer Chugging/Deer Rape 4 is that important to you, I'll buy you an older PS3.

I'm not getting into the BR vs HD DVD thing, but I'm not worried about my decision to stick only with a PS3.

The dicky thing they've done is release the console with no rumble and then show up a year after they settle the lawsuit and act like it's no big deal and expect US to eat the cost of getting rumble put back in.

Square and Konami do whatever they want to do, whereever they want to. If MGS never comes to 360, it never comes, big deal. It will, but I'm speaking in hypotheticals.

FFXIII? Okay, how much of a big splash did X make? Huge? X-2? Less. FFXI? Less. FFXII? Slightly more than X-2, but nowhere near as much as X or any of the PSX ones. FF's getting to the point of lower returns, meaning that they're going to have to get their head in the game to pump life back into the series, or leave it for soemthing else. Considering they think they can plan to milk a decade's worth of games out of FFXIII's franchise, I would say this horse is about to start being beaten before it's even dead.

FFXIII may end up a great game, but 10 years worth of content and spinoffs off of one title? Get over yourselves guys.
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OwningXylophone at 09/21/2007 11:51
@ luvmysegadc

I've said this all along... The Saturn and Dreamcast we both more powerful machines than the PS1 & PS2, but Sony eradicated Sega with good marketing and a great library of games... And if Sony are not careful, that is exactly what Microsoft will do to them this gen...

Brand loyalty is all well and good, but what about all those people who were loyal to Sega? Didn't save them did it...
FuriousGeorge's Avatar
FuriousGeorge at 09/21/2007 12:22
lololol @ 'balancing act'

sony needs to run away and join the fucking circus
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Samit Sarkar at 09/21/2007 12:37
I still don’t understand Sterling’s POV and that of half the people who commented on this post. Yeah, Sony needs to be pushing the PS3’s library of games, especially since there will be plenty of desirable titles by the holiday season — but if they’re trying to sell the damn things, it seems rather obvious to me that they’d advertise all the capabilities that the machine possesses. If Blu-ray is really that much of a point of contention for you, then fine, don’t buy the damn thing — but I don’t see why that would be. If you’re an HD DVD person, or someone who doesn’t care about the current state of the HD format war, then fine — no one’s forcing you to use the PS3 as a Blu-ray player. I mean, I bought my PS3 last December, and I now have built up a decent collection of Blu-ray titles, but that’s just me: I like my stuff in HD. Still, as I keep saying, the PS3 will have a decent library by the end of the year — especially since Ratchet & Clank Future is looking like a system-seller — and it’s going to be an interesting holiday shopping season.
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DeusPayne at 09/21/2007 12:39
*woosh*
^ the sound of the concept of the joke completely passing over his head
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deiga-the-semivaliant at 09/21/2007 12:42
Is it me or is Kaz putting on some weight?






Eventually, he'll transform!!



hexix's Avatar
hexix at 09/21/2007 12:44
@luvmysegadc

You're remembering wrong. The PS2 came out when the Dreamcast had already been out for a few months and the launch library was a joke compared to all the games that were on Dreamcast. What was evident immediately was that the PS2 had more power than the Dreamcast. A good example was DOA2, which was already on the Dreamcast, was the same game but with added lighting & motion blur effects for the PS2 version.

Trust me, I owned a Dreamcast at the time, but I could still see that SSX for the PS2 was something that would not be possible on a dreamcast. The draw distance and the amount of effects happening on the screen surpassed anything I had seen on my Dreamcast.

Now that the Dreamcast is dead, there's a vocal community that wants to rewrite history and make it seem like it was a powerful machine that just wasn't given a chance, but that's just not the case. It had some cool quirky games -- but most of those (Crazy Taxi, Jet Grind Radio, so on) were Sega published and can now be found on other platforms with superior graphics.

There are a lot of parallels you could draw between the Dreamcast vs PS2 and 360 vs PS3. However, to say the PS2 won because it had more games isn't true. It won because Sony was able to market the PS2 as a powerhouse of a machine that could also play those crazy new things called DVD movies. The huge library of games came later.
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Snaileb at 09/21/2007 12:51
AHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry. Deiga scared the living S outta me.
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gamesronlygames at 09/21/2007 13:06
Why is this a story if all gamers care about is games and this is a game site not an a/v blog. Its not a big deal or confusing. Its a playstation 3 that plays games , movies, music etc. Quite simple. The games will and are coming, as are the blurays and other firmware updates making it a cutting edge entertainment system. End of story. Who cares about which one Kaz Hirai is emphasizing at any given minute. SO he is inconsistent. Who here among us isnt especially if we were in the spotlight like him. Does any of this really matter. Do his inconsistencies really cause developers to stop making games for the system. No. move on. Iam sure there are a lot more important GAMING issues to talk about then LATCHING onto any negative item surrounding the ps3. SO old...
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kaz at 09/21/2007 13:22
Hey that picture makes me look fat.
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Velt at 09/21/2007 13:40
Ok, lets see...
-the ps2 has a good library and is selling well.

-The 360 is a piece of shit of hardware that is making Microsoft loose money with a gaming division that it should be making profits some months ago.

(im not going to talk about the wii because is another marker segment)

- the ps3 is good hardware, expensive right now.

All im saying is that maybe, just maybe the ps3 is going to be important at the end of the 360 cycle, when the 360 technology is outdated the ps3 will have a good line up of games ready (hopefully), lots of power under the hood and is going to be like the ps2 right now.
I think that the ps3 is going to be THE console in three years time, but i could be wrong, we need games for the thing.
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Mxyzptlk at 09/21/2007 15:58
It's a game machine... no, a blu-ray player... no, a sport utility vehicle... It blends... Please God just buy it!

I would rather have it just play games and cost $200-$300 less instead of pimping whatever media format they're trying to shove down our throats.
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AgentMOO at 09/21/2007 16:52
@mxy
You forgot to mention that it knocks out the fat!
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uptonogood at 09/21/2007 16:53
what's it like living in a bubble where you're so unaware of how media outlets work? to maximize profits, they have to market across the board. what a retarded post.
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Corak at 09/21/2007 17:02
Keep dreaming for that kind of price cut, they are already losing or hardly making any profit at all selling the console at the price now. While it might happen in the future, it won't happen overnight or at least the near future. If you want a in-expensive or "cheap" console try the Wii or just keep playing your xbox or ps2. The library of games will get better, it does suck that at this stage there are only a few exclusive games and not very many that make you want to but the system to play it. That will happen down the road for sure.

If the console can do all the things it says it can why not advertise it? Case in point the Iphone, while it may not be the best device out there the marketing campaign was stellar, and it showed a ton of things that a "phone" could do. I'm really not sure why Sony seems to focus on one thing then another, but hey at least they can. If your car could give you a back massage, cook your dinner, and pleasure you while you drive wouldn't you advertise all those things rather than focus on just one?
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casualweaponry at 09/21/2007 18:17
This move is either incredibly dumb or ballsy...

Now granted I will give the PS3 the props as the best Blu-ray player out there, especially in terms of picture quality and firmware upgrades.

But if Sony is gonna push the PS3 as a Blu-ray player that just "happens" to play games as a bonus feature, they're in for a shock. There are cheaper Blu-ray players just as good as the PS3 available right now; come holiday time those prices will drop. Now take into account that the PS3 will NOT see another price cut, and the PS3 loses some appeal as a Blu-ray player compared to the competition.

I hope this angle plays out well for Sony. And BTW I own all 3 next gen systems, and want to see them all succeed.
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deanhatescoffee at 09/21/2007 19:38
@casualweaponry: I hope they all succeed too. The more players in the game, the more interesting things get. Competition increases ingenuity.

This is how I see things:

The PS3 was built to be "future-proof" for quite some time - 10 years, right?. The thing is, Microsoft will come out with a new Xbox in 2, 3, 4 years, somewhere in there. The 360 is a powerful machine and the graphics, for most games I've seen, are pretty comparable to the PS3's. The 360 costs about $100 less. The way I see it, Microsoft will make sure that the 360 will ALWAYS cost about $100 less. That gives Microsoft a permanent price advantage. Things are pretty even at this point; that's when Sony's Blu-ray steps in to claim "superiority" as a system. However, when Microsoft is ready to launch its next system, the PS3 will finally be at a price that average people might be willing/able to pay for a console. In addition, the PS3 will be halfway through its life cycle. Microsoft, being a relatively smart company, will launch the new system for not too much more than the price of a PS3. The new system will have even more capabilities than the PS3 in terms of graphics, sound, hard drive, multimedia, internet, full backwards compatibility, etc. Who knows - maybe it'll even have a Blu-ray drive, since the "format wars" will (hopefully) be over and the price of technology should decrease significantly by that time. Microsoft's new system will basically be what the 360 kinda wants to be now - a game-playing media hub - but it will succeed to this end much more than the 360 or PS3. That gives Microsoft the advantage in virtually every way. While Sony is still developing the PS4, which won't be due out for another 5 years at that time, Microsoft will be selling it's new system like hotcakes, and also working on their next system - which will probably be released at the same time as the PS4. Microsoft wins because of two main reasons: 1) They were able to sell two consoles in the same period that Sony sold one. 2) Microsoft's new technology will be more powerful and fairly priced (compared to the PS3 launch).

Does anyone agree?
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Necros at 09/21/2007 20:52
What are blue rays?
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DeusPayne at 09/21/2007 22:24

^teh blue ray?
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Corak at 09/22/2007 15:21
@deanhatescoffee

Nice points, few things to consider though. The systems that you calim Microsoft will develop will of course cause current xbox users to upgrade their systems. Meaning in that timeframe you will be buying a new console maybe twice before sony releases another? Of course with no specs its hard to think about it now, but of course it will be better, how much better remains to be seen. So you spent $399 for a 360, and then 4 years later you will spend say another $499 for another xbox system. That's a lot of cash to go through in that timeframe. Do you think that will alienate xbox users who think "Jesus another console?"

Just for argument's sake lets say that the next xbox has all the capabilities as the ps3 does now, and its made much better, less prone to overheat, more storage, and will include some high definition movie player in it, better graphics etc. but not completly blow the ps3 out of the water. So you upgrade, keeping in mind you spent $399 on your 360, and now another $499 on the new one. The higher price of the ps3 now doesn't seem so bad when you consider that aspect.
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