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TGS 09: Forza Motorsport 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 photo

First off, if you're looking for dirt, you won't find much here. Both upcoming racers Forza Motorsport 3 (Xbox 360) and Gran Turismo 5 (PS3) are sure to be great racing games. That said,  I think there's a clear winner here between the two high-profile racers shown on the floor of Tokyo Game Show this year. As you read on, keep in mind that we're not comparing the games themselves as much as we are the demos shown on the TGS floor.

Both were in pretty nifty setups. Gran Turismo 5 had real-world racing seats built into metal frames. Inside, players sat in front of a high-end Sony display while controlling the game with the GT steering wheel set. Forza 3 was played on a three-screen setup. They too had racing chairs and a steering wheel controller. Putting all of that aside, though, which was the better game?

Visuals:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
While both games look great on the track, Forza's demo featured a polish that Gran Turismo 5's lacked. The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you'd always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad.  As far as the vehicle visuals go, neither game disappoints. Both supply unhealthy doses of car porn. The tighter racing action of Forza 3 made it easier to appreciate the models of the cars I raced against, but both pull off amazing feats as far as visuals go. Forza's framerate was liquid smooth, making it a bit easier on the eyes than GT5.

Control:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
Solely judging from the two on-floor demos,  both of which used adjustable racing seats and steering wheel rigs, Forza 3's control won the race. There was something about the balance of control that made it seem especially intuitive. I'd go as far as to say that it felt damned near flawless with the steering wheel rig they had set up at each demo station. Gran Turismo controlled great as well, with the tilt leaning farther away from arcade action and more towards realism. Nothing was notably wrong with Gran Turismo's control. It's just that the seamless feeling that we felt with the controls in Forza wasn't there in GT5.



Game play:
Winner:  Forza Motorsport 3
Both games were played on a rather easy track, and both featured racing line guidelines. Other than that, these two games play differently. Forza 3 had me racing against other AI characters that were way too easy to pass, even with the option to set the difficulty. My choice of a medium difficulty looked more like an easy to my eyes. I didn't try the "hard" setting, but I hope it's considerably more difficult than medium was. That said, some of the credit goes, again, to the seemingly flawless control of the game.

As for Gran Turismo, I watched plenty of others wipe out and give up before I played. It looked like people that had never played the series games before sat down and expected arcade racing. As always, Gran Turismo 5 had that realistic acceleration and turning that greatly contrasts to the loose, forgiving controls of other racers (Forza 3 not included, of course). I enjoy the challenge and learning curve, and prefer the rewarding stick-to-your-ribs racing that it provides. Even with that, though, Forza's gameplay was more enjoyable and approachable. It may be a bit more simple than that of GT5, but it still provides ample challenge for white knuckle racing.

If you have to have damage modeling, you want Forza 3. It's just not there in Gran Turismo. While I don't believe that it's a necessity to have damage modeling in a racing game, it is an added bonus. If you play in first-person view like I do, it's fun to see how messed up your vehicle is after a race. Gran Turismo doesn't do that. In fact, side of the road items like cones and tires don't even seem to be affected properly by impact. When I ran into a stack of tires, they seemed to float strangely in front of my car for a second before flying off to the right. I don't need true-to-life physics on these types of collisions, but this looked closer to the movement of a UFO than a stack of rubber tires.

Overall:
I'm a big Gran Turismo fan, so it was a bit of a surprise to me that the Forza Motorsport 3 demo did more for me. Things like damage modeling and background art aside, it was the superb control and high level of accessibility that won me over. Forza 3 was just more fun. More impressive. Of course, this is not to say that Gran Turismo 5 isn't a good game. It will be great, I'm sure, but Forza 3 show floor demo has me wanting to race again. I need to get me one of these three-screen setups too.


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volatilis's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:24
volatilis
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Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:27
Xzyliac
Good read. I'm pretty shocked actually. Draws my interest toward the whole racing simulator scene I couldn't really get into as a kid.

...and out come the wolves.
Infamy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:28
Infamy
@volatilis:

Thank you for enforcing Jim's article and showing that begrudged PS3 fanboys are the worst. >_>

Loving the demo, btw.
AFreindlyZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:28
AFreindlyZombie
Glad to hear this. Its nice to know that a newer game series is able to equal,or surpass a legendary series like gran turismo. Now with that being said it sucks that so many good games are coming out in the upcoming weeks. My wallet is gonna beg for mercy.
bunnyrabbit2's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:29
bunnyrabbit2
I've been playing the Forza 3 demo today and enjoying the hell out of it. The visuals compared to Forza 2 are incredible and as an in car camera guy I appreciated all the detail in it.

I also really need one of those fancy three screen setups. Shame it needs three 360s and three copies of Forza though :(
Duuuude's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:30
Duuuude
lol, good to hear. Can't wait to try the demo when I get home.
PreacherMan89's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:32
PreacherMan89
I'd really like to try the demo but my xbox died a while back and I haven't the money to purchase a new one.

Btw, I wouldn't mind having a setup like the ones shown either.
the Kope's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:35
the Kope
Is it mid-October yet? It needs to be! Hot damn I want to play some Forza 3! Anyone else have the habit of buying the games and just playing it non-stop until every race in your first career is won? Look out Europe, the VW menace is coming!
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:36
Everyday Legend
@ volatilis
You need a job.
Preferably one that doesn't involve fishnet stockings and the streetcorner of Sony's headquarters.

Asshat.


::end rant::


Looks like both will be worth checking out, but I need demo - at least I know the Forza demo is free, and I already paid $40 for my GT5 demo.
TopKatt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:37
TopKatt
@infamy

I think (hope!) that volatilis was joking.
nummy6's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:37
nummy6
I thought the new froza wasnt going to have the 3 screen thing.
Duuuude's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:37
Duuuude
I think you nailed it on GT's visuals. They have always had a talent for making graphics look better than they should by "cheating". Like using a photorealistic flat background and flat track items. It CAN look great, but the grpahics-whore in me always picks that apart.

About the driving, it just feels more organic in Forza. It honestly feels like I am playing a glorified Ridge Racer, control-wise, whenever I play GT, going way back to the PS1.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:39
vexed alex
Forza's feeling of "tires meet road" always felt much more natural and real to me. I don't think this has changed from the looks of your preview and a few others'.
BlackDove's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:40
BlackDove
Casual game better than real game.

Yeah, sounds about what I'd expect.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:41
vexed alex
Oh, and sim racing games may not need damage modeling, but they do need crashes to affect performance. Gran Turismo has always been problematic, especially with the way cars react to bumps.

You can literally go faster if you use cars as bumpers through corners in GT: 5P. I hope they changed something to alleviate that problem.
the Kope's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:43
the Kope
@BlackDove, Forza is far from casual. It's just presented as the more casual of the 2.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:44
manasteel88
console war over! GT5 demo sucks!

kidding. I am impressed that Forza is the winner of the two in all instances, but it seems very opinion based. good to see that both console exclusives are shaping up well.
the Kope's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:44
the Kope
@Vexed Alex, I've had some good luck with bumper cars in Forza as well. I race extremely aggressively and to be fair, I've also had some horrible luck with it. I think it's just a lot more accurate about relating the ramifications of racing styles.
dunderdolt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:46
dunderdolt
I'll have to play Gran Turismo and Forza 3 with my console controllers. It would be fun to try those racing rigs, though!
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:47
CelicaCrazed
But neither is Burnout....
Nitex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:48
Nitex
They both are boring pieces of shit. Nuff said... Now instead of hating the games you can hate on me. You're welcome.
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:51
Br0th3rGr1mm
Just to play the Devil's Advocate, GT5 is more than a month away from release so it follows that the Demo would not be as "polished". That being said, Forza has released 3 games since the last full GT release (or at least will have this time next month).
Drack48's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:54
Drack48
Hmm..The Froza demo looks worse than GTA Prolouge to me, car wise.
benjaxez's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:57
benjaxez
fuck yeah
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 14:57
vexed alex
Drack48: Grant Theft Auto Prologue?
Poopface Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:00
Poopface Morty
I've been playing the Forza 3 demo (same track, sticking with the Audi because the other vehicles are either a) too shit or b) invite balls hard opponents) for a couple of hours, and as someone completely green to sim racing, I have to say Hard mode is the sweet spot. There's two full difficulty levels higher if you're worried it'll be too easy, and even so, you can modify the assists that the defaults give you so you can incrementally increase/decrease the challenge. Hard mode's AI was the same as Medium's, but it turns off a few extra assists found in Medium mode (thankfully, it stays on Automatic transmission), and it only showed the breaking line, which honestly once you know a course you can get rid of it altogether. When I cranked it up to Advanced, the second hardest, I threw in the towel; way too fucking hard.

All in all though, it's a nice change of pace from the balls hard Forza 2, and I find myself not really relying TOO much on rewind. I've rolled over a few times in cockpit view, and it's a blast. And strangely, I actually find it easiest to play in cockpit view...simulates the real thing pretty well.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:02
vexed alex
Grand*...
Cyber Altair's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:03
Cyber Altair
MS paid you >=[
randomthoughts's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:04
randomthoughts
this means shit all, dont compare two diffrent styles of games.
dsmokeb's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:09
dsmokeb
This was a good article. I think this made my decision to not buy GT5.
CHNGX's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:19
CHNGX
sorry guy but since GT5 is out in march 2010 in japan
to compare this two games head to head is a bit ....

articles like this don't make any sense at all
djmctool's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:23
djmctool
See, the problem here is that GT5 didn't have you playing on the Top Gear Test Track. That would have changed EVERYTHING.

Top Gear is the reason I am buying GT5. It's rather sad.
Gestault's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:23
Gestault
This confirms a lot of my fears, mostly seeded by reading the GT PSP reviews. I think it's important that people recognize in the intro to the article that this isn't saying GT is rubbish, but really, when so much of the enjoyment people (myself included) have derived from Gran Turismo through the years is the premium experience, it's a little embarassing to the creators to be overshadowed by a younger project. I'll be buying both, and I think the extra time GT5 will have in development will treat it well.
hornetjockey's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:25
hornetjockey
I'm a long standing GT fanatic. After playing Forza 2 I thought, "well PD, the ball is in your court. This game is better." I thought surely that GT5 would not disappoint, but they are obviously more interested in eventually having 10,000 cars in the game than they are improving the core game itself. It's pretty much the same game it always has been with more cars. I do like my car physics to be absolutely punishingly realistic, and that is one thing I think GT still has over Forza, but instead I'm just going to play GTR Evo.
maxx77's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:26
maxx77
Hey, I recognize those chairs! I have one. That combined with the wheel is absolutely essential to really enjoy the Forza and Dirt games. Can't afford extra tv's and Xboxes for the surround experience, but with a big enough tv it's practically the same effect.
BeenThereDoneThat's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:29
BeenThereDoneThat
Sounds like a 360 fanboy article to me. I've read at least 10 articles today comparing the Forza demo to GT5P. So far you're the only who one liked Forza more. GT5P has been the overwhelming victor everywhere else. Everyone has said that GT5P looks better, handles more acurately just "feels" more like your in the game.
Cor E's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:30
Cor E
I switched to Forza after playing first game on the Xbox and I do not regret it. GT4 came out 3 months before Forza 1, I got both. But after playing Forza and Forza 2 I will never buy another Gran Turismo game again. Forza is miles ahead of anything Gran Turismo has ever done.
TalesofvesperiaWin's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:41
TalesofvesperiaWin
Easy there u blatent fanboy , how much did ms pay ?
X V1's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:42
X V1
@ randomthoughts: They're both racing sims, so you can compare them? Like how people always compare Halo 3 to CoD4, they're both in the same genre.

@ CHNGX: This makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't you compare the 2? People do it all the time: Halo 3 and CoD4, WoW and any upcoming MMORPG and most of the RTSs are compared with each other.
Gestault's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:42
Gestault
@ CHNGX, randomthoughts:

Really guys? Apply these to your respective posts: different genres? GT5 hasn't had enough development time? Seriously?

This is coming from a long time Gran Turismo fan, and a Kaz enthusiast. Stop wining, accept the possibility that the game you arbitrarily enjoy more than another may not be up to the par the other sets. *gasp* I know, right? That's pretty rough, but based on the experiences of almost everyone who's played both games, that seems to be how things are shaping up. No one's saying GT is bad, quite the opposite, but there seems to be a more complete experience out there, coming out sooner. Oh noes!
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:46
gamadaya
I'm not against realism. I like realistic FPSs more than run and guns. But I don't like the feel of GT. Maybe it's because of the way unlocking shit works, or maybe it's because I'm just not that into cars, and I think I like arcady racing. Mario Kart is my favorite racing series after all.
Cor E's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:50
Cor E
@TalesofVesperiaWin: Easy there little guy, I pay for inovation and quality. I just believe Forza to be a better game than Gran Tursimo, and I have no doubt that there are those who believe the exact opposite. Preferences do not implicate fanboy(ism?).
CHNGX's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:55
CHNGX
ok here is my thought

GT5 and Forza are in the same league, fair play to that

however to compare a game that is almost ready to go, (forza 3) with one that is at 50% done GT5 (as is told in TGS magazines)
is a comparation that is going to be absolute pointless, at best

I would have no dubts that forza will excel in game modes and online
however the level of detail of GT5 and the "driving feeling" that you get using a logitech g25 would make thngs a bit better on GT5

at the end of the day is about wich console/wheel you got
Gestault's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:56
Gestault
@TalesofvesperiaWin:

Did we read the same article?
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 15:59
dj-anon
This what I think of the FM3 demo: I finally feel like I'm driving a machine.
seamonkey420's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 16:02
seamonkey420
interesting.. seems microsoft may have the upper hand this gen for racing sims. not sure i'm hardcore enough to get a 360 for Forza 3, but i def will be going by gamestop to try it out :)
ifngnfh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2009 16:04
ifngnfh
you cry about playstation fanboys yet you're the biggest xbots on the internet.........

and giving graphics win to forza 3 over gt5? ahaha dont make me laugh
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