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Yeah, I mean it's fine that everyone loves the game so unilaterally. I'm not demeaning their taste just disagreeing with it. To each his own and so on. What I just don't get is when everyone sharing the same opinion gets together to congratulate someone for "finally" voicing that opinion long after many others have already done so. It's like praising an echo and it just gets under my skin.
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I didn't play on the Hardocre difficulty so perhaps that's why the respect meter was such a pain to me. It just might not be balanced well for the lower difficulty levels. I mean, if enough people are complaining about it that you're getting tired of hearing about it, then it would seem to me that it's likely there's something a little out of whack there that you just might not have noticed in your own personal experience with the game.
Yeah, I mean it's fine that everyone loves the game so unilaterally. I'm not demeaning their taste just disagreeing with it. To each his own and so on. What I just don't get is when everyone sharing the same opinion gets together to congratulate someone for "finally" voicing that opinion long after many others have already done so. It's like praising an echo and it just gets under my skin.
@Eltron 6000
I didn't play on the Hardocre difficulty so perhaps that's why the respect meter was such a pain to me. It just might not be balanced well for the lower difficulty levels. I mean, if enough people are complaining about it that you're getting tired of hearing about it, then it would seem to me that it's likely there's something a little out of whack there that you just might not have noticed in your own personal experience with the game.
"How can you simultaneously champions games as an artform, then say SR is better than GTA4?"
The same way I recognize movies as an art form and still enjoy Die Hard.
The same way I recognize movies as an art form and still enjoy Die Hard.
Jim, I think you're missing the point on the Zero Punctuation similarities if you think the only connection between this article and the current ZP is you both have English accents haha.
Big thanks to rpbowlinggog.
Confirmed: Sterling plagiarizes The Escapist.
Sad. And not unsurprising.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Confirmed: Sterling plagiarizes The Escapist.
Sad. And not unsurprising.
Stupid is as stupid does.
"The same way I recognize movies as an art form and still enjoy Die Hard."
Dude, Die Hard IS art. Incredibly tight screenplay, one of the best heroes/villains in cinema history, claustrophobic environment that has been ripped off in dozens of films(including its own sequel)...its my favorite movie ever.
Dude, Die Hard IS art. Incredibly tight screenplay, one of the best heroes/villains in cinema history, claustrophobic environment that has been ripped off in dozens of films(including its own sequel)...its my favorite movie ever.
Oh-oh, Jimmy used a naughty word on the Internet!
He's such a big-boy now.
Did you come up with that idea Sweetie? Or did somebody else tell you what you think again?
He's such a big-boy now.
Did you come up with that idea Sweetie? Or did somebody else tell you what you think again?
Jim Sterling said:
"I have N'gai Croal telling me what to type via headset."
"He just told me to say that you're a worthless cunt btw."
Jimmy Sterling: Truly a class act.
At least you had the decency to keep your shirt on. Although your breasts are probably bigger than mine.
"I have N'gai Croal telling me what to type via headset."
"He just told me to say that you're a worthless cunt btw."
Jimmy Sterling: Truly a class act.
At least you had the decency to keep your shirt on. Although your breasts are probably bigger than mine.
So let's re-cap:
If you have a similar opinion as someone else (yet go into far more detail), that's plagiarism.
Remarking on someone's weight automatically makes you correct and clever.
Just about everyone else with a brain thinks a detailed, thoughtful opinion is cool, and some even might buy a game just based on that opinion.
Good comments had.
If you have a similar opinion as someone else (yet go into far more detail), that's plagiarism.
Remarking on someone's weight automatically makes you correct and clever.
Just about everyone else with a brain thinks a detailed, thoughtful opinion is cool, and some even might buy a game just based on that opinion.
Good comments had.
Poor Jimbo. He's brings the level of discourse into the sewer and he becomes a sad kitty when he gets a little poop on his head.
A sign of a true bully. Hit them back and they quit.
Try learning from this Jimmy.
A sign of a true bully. Hit them back and they quit.
Try learning from this Jimmy.
I could have had you banned or your comments wiped from the board. I could delete every one of your comments here if I really couldn't take your frankly pitiful attempts at witty recourse.
I don't know exactly what you get out of being a common garden troll, but I really can't be bothered arguing with someone who needs to piggy back off someone else's (wrong) point and then throw fat jokes out there because she has nothing of real worth to add to the debate. In fact ... I don't think you've EVER had anything useful to add to Destructoid outside of personal attacks and acting like a pathetic little girl, which is why I suggest you keep out of them. My work clearly upsets you, so why don't you go away and read someone else's? Is it that difficult?
Find a new playground, child.
I don't know exactly what you get out of being a common garden troll, but I really can't be bothered arguing with someone who needs to piggy back off someone else's (wrong) point and then throw fat jokes out there because she has nothing of real worth to add to the debate. In fact ... I don't think you've EVER had anything useful to add to Destructoid outside of personal attacks and acting like a pathetic little girl, which is why I suggest you keep out of them. My work clearly upsets you, so why don't you go away and read someone else's? Is it that difficult?
Find a new playground, child.
A bully? What'd he do, hit you over the head and take your milk money? Anally raped your mother on prom night? What exactly about his writing makes him a "bully"?
He had an opinion. You and a few others erroneously pointed out that he somewhat ripped off ZP when people HAVE been known to have similar opinions. You know, every once in awhile.
Then you call him fat for pointing out the idiocy of that idea.
And he's "a bully"? Go eat some Prozac, you mental fucking cunt.
He had an opinion. You and a few others erroneously pointed out that he somewhat ripped off ZP when people HAVE been known to have similar opinions. You know, every once in awhile.
Then you call him fat for pointing out the idiocy of that idea.
And he's "a bully"? Go eat some Prozac, you mental fucking cunt.
I've not played Saints Row 2 yet, but I play games for their stories, so I'm siding with GTA.
Saints Row seems to be too much of a frat boy, "chillaxin' with my brahs" game to me. I simply can't immerse myself in a game like that, and I crave immersion more than cheap fun.
But whatever. Play what you want.
Saints Row seems to be too much of a frat boy, "chillaxin' with my brahs" game to me. I simply can't immerse myself in a game like that, and I crave immersion more than cheap fun.
But whatever. Play what you want.
Hmm, let's see Jimbo...you've called me a fucking moron and a worthless cunt...yet I'm the one who has nothing of real worth to add to the debate?
Right.
You could have me banned and my comments deleted? Oh my, you are so powerful. I shiver before your mighty video game blog powers.
It just goes to show how a little power (And in your case, very little) goes to people's heads.
Wow.
Right.
You could have me banned and my comments deleted? Oh my, you are so powerful. I shiver before your mighty video game blog powers.
It just goes to show how a little power (And in your case, very little) goes to people's heads.
Wow.
Yeah I called you a fucking moron, because you called me a plagiarist, and have been nothing but disrespectful to me and the staff here, so why should I treat you with respect? Quid pro quo, my dear, quid pro quo.
I'm not trying to wield power of you, I'm just saying that I'm letting a lot of shit slide from you that wouldn't be tolerated elsewhere, so please don't pull the bullshit card. You don't really have a right to be on here, the way you've been acting. I just assume that a part of you must like Destructoid, because if you hate it as much as your comment history hints, the fact that you continue to post here is simply pathetic.
Now if you treat me with respect and don't make frankly disgusting allegations, I would have no need to call you a fucking moron. You see how that works?
I'm not trying to wield power of you, I'm just saying that I'm letting a lot of shit slide from you that wouldn't be tolerated elsewhere, so please don't pull the bullshit card. You don't really have a right to be on here, the way you've been acting. I just assume that a part of you must like Destructoid, because if you hate it as much as your comment history hints, the fact that you continue to post here is simply pathetic.
Now if you treat me with respect and don't make frankly disgusting allegations, I would have no need to call you a fucking moron. You see how that works?
Damn it, Jim. I was going to make a post that had pretty much everything you had here in it. I'm not even half way through SR2 and love it WAY more than GTAIV for all the reasons you mentioned here and more. I'm pissed and all, but I guess you saved me some time. Thanks? Haha.
i.e: I wholeheartedly agree.
i.e: I wholeheartedly agree.
I wasn't interested in this game until Zero Punctuation gave it a very favourable review (which is VERY rare). This article has tempted me even more, damn you Jim!
GTA IV was the first GTA game that I liked, because it wasn't, and I hate to use this, immature. Niko was an actual character, the story was original and had some points to make, and shooting became fun.
Shift to the Saints Row games, and you have a colourful mockery of GTA's mockery of American consumerism that's so caught up in the act of making fun that it actually starts to become the dumb shit it's trying to mock.
Shift to the Saints Row games, and you have a colourful mockery of GTA's mockery of American consumerism that's so caught up in the act of making fun that it actually starts to become the dumb shit it's trying to mock.
I gotta send a SMS to rockstar, ask if they cant release a patch to change the driving shitty ideia.
So then we could choose between realistic and classic GTA drive style.
Man I such a genius sometimes.
So then we could choose between realistic and classic GTA drive style.
Man I such a genius sometimes.
in my opinion GTA4 is a more "realistic" take on the whole "sandbox crime game" thing while SR2 is just the more "silly" and "over the top" take on it
in my opinion there's room enough for both of them!
in my opinion there's room enough for both of them!
Wow! I can't believe how many people don't like the driving! I think the driving in GTA IV is so amazing. I've beaten the game quite a while ago and the only reason I take time out of my busy day is to drive the cars!
Bring a car to the top of the parking garage at the Francis International Airport and see how fast you can drive to the old dilapidated mansion at the northern tip of Alderney! No cheats allowed. If you can beat 2:45 with a car or 2:42 with a motorcycle, send me a message and I'll give you a cookie!
Bring a car to the top of the parking garage at the Francis International Airport and see how fast you can drive to the old dilapidated mansion at the northern tip of Alderney! No cheats allowed. If you can beat 2:45 with a car or 2:42 with a motorcycle, send me a message and I'll give you a cookie!
I am getting Saints Row 2 and Grand Theft Auto IV on my B-Day (4/23/09) and I have watched at least 120 videos these past couple weeks about Sr2 and GtaIV and I am impressed with Sr2 so far. Then again Gta IV could be a new experience for me. Both games look fun to me, but Saints Row 2 is more fun.
you got to be joking me gta is far more better than that satis row serouisly. yah niko can be cocky but u dont need all that thats just stupid and it if fun i mean u just have to have a imagination they dont i hightly doubt thats better than gta seriosly
This is more of an opinion rant cuz I've played both saints rows and they suck imo. And how the hell could you not like rockstars strive for realism? that was the whole point of next gen games, taking them to a more realistic level. Also gta4 is a continuation of gta3 basically and gta 3 was a more realistic game as well. saints row is just fun. But it's not really that good to the point where it's better than the gta series.
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I totally agree. I was hesitant to pick up SR2 because GTA IV bored me. I was sick of GTA IV's unlikeable characters. I didn't care about Niko's dark past. I was sick to death of being called to go on dates. In SR2, if your cell goes off, it means it's time to 'F' some 'S' up, not go play darts. Also, in what other game will your character badly croon along to "Take On Me"?
Why is this article filled with so much fail?
It's pretty sad how most of the comments here sucked Sterling off instead of pointing out the obvious flaws in his arguments.
Like how GTA IV actually has a good plot and characters, while Saints Row 2 has very little character development.
It's pretty sad how most of the comments here sucked Sterling off instead of pointing out the obvious flaws in his arguments.
Like how GTA IV actually has a good plot and characters, while Saints Row 2 has very little character development.
Hi. While I agree with the points in the article, you (and everyone else in comments, unfortunately) haven't said anything about possibilities to modify the game.
Sure, SR IS more fun, but the whole win for Rockstar was their choice in making all GTA games modder friendly. That pretty much means with a couple of hours of trial and error, you can practically change any character, vehicle, building to the ones in real life (or your fucking imagination).
So many people got hooked on GTA FOR the endless MOD possibilities.
SR2 is a great and fun game non the less.
Sure, SR IS more fun, but the whole win for Rockstar was their choice in making all GTA games modder friendly. That pretty much means with a couple of hours of trial and error, you can practically change any character, vehicle, building to the ones in real life (or your fucking imagination).
So many people got hooked on GTA FOR the endless MOD possibilities.
SR2 is a great and fun game non the less.
Dear Mr Sterling,
I couldn't have agreed more WITH YOU! I think GTA4 and 5 (I refuse to use Roman numerals since we already have good number systems) is "BLEH". The driving was terrible. I rather walk than drive. When your going 110mph and hit the brakes it take like 35secs to stop and when you do, 99.9% you hit the car in front of you making the driver get out and create a brawl. Or you hit the police causing you to get a star. Bull shit. Like when you fight the police arrest you and not the other citizen who was in the fight. No Justice!
But Saints Row 1 and 2 opened many door/windows for people who found GTA non-amusing. The games,side mission,CUSTOMIZATION, and more. Let me get on the missions. Wow. At first I was scared to do the mission because I DIDN'T know what to expect.(Though in GTA you know what to expect and deal with it). Literally I was scared because I thought "Like wow how is this gonna work out". I believe and say that every mission is filled with fun and laughter. More detailed, you sort of find yourself in some very sticky situations. The Gangs were awesome! All coming from different background and ethnics. Thank God! Plus having each gang own customized cars,weapons that they use, business tycoons, and their own customizations of themselves. Does GTA4 have that...?No.. Then CRUISE CONTROL!!! Great invention Volition you can drive and shoot. Without out have to take your gun shoot, while drive and stir. Thank you Again. The weapons. I'm not even gonna touch base on that except for a 2 weapons I entirely enjoyed. Pimp Cane Shot Gun, also the Foam Finger Bitch Slapper. Walk like a pimp, and shoot like a pimp. If you never seen a pimp Saints Row2 is just for you. Now I love it when I go only and we do multilayer and have brawls. Pimp slapping someone into the bleachers or all the way up to the building is FUN! GTA you should try it some time! Jesus! Its like everyone judges on graphics and realism. I don't care about how REAL GTA looks. If I wanted that I go to downtown Dallas and look at the damn skyscrapers. Money.I feel like Saints Row is like your Sims and or/ Sims2 but only in like a fighting/money making tycoon way.You have have franchises where you buy and earn money for them. (I bought EVERYTHING) Im sitting on billions in my SR2. They ask "Isn't SR2 like GTA4?" No. There's a difference from have a dick up your butt(GTA4) to have a nice lollipop after the visit from the doctors.(SR2). So Im behind SR2 and the up coming SR3 1000%. I played all the GTA's. I barely even tried to finish them. I told myself okay it may suck but when the next one comes out it WILL be better. Somehow I kept getting disappointed. I was gonna go back playing internet checkers when I saw SR1. I was like okay this is risky. But I ending up renting it. I couldn't help BUT BUY IT! I finish the game during my summer break in like 5days. With the help of my older brother. We were on it day and night. Like when I slept I couldn't wait to play it. Its just that fun. I never did this for a game. I do say to me SR is addictive. GTA is like well... I can't say whats it like but thats w/e. People rent Saints Row then BUY it. Don't waste anymore money on GTA. Disappoint is likely what your gonna get. Rent it at Blockbuster or Family Video (Family Video cheaper). But you might and should get the first Saints Row before you get the second. That way you can PROPERLY understand whats going on. if you have any questions just ask me. Thanks for reading my long post lol.
M.Keys May 14,2040 8:30pm
I couldn't have agreed more WITH YOU! I think GTA4 and 5 (I refuse to use Roman numerals since we already have good number systems) is "BLEH". The driving was terrible. I rather walk than drive. When your going 110mph and hit the brakes it take like 35secs to stop and when you do, 99.9% you hit the car in front of you making the driver get out and create a brawl. Or you hit the police causing you to get a star. Bull shit. Like when you fight the police arrest you and not the other citizen who was in the fight. No Justice!
But Saints Row 1 and 2 opened many door/windows for people who found GTA non-amusing. The games,side mission,CUSTOMIZATION, and more. Let me get on the missions. Wow. At first I was scared to do the mission because I DIDN'T know what to expect.(Though in GTA you know what to expect and deal with it). Literally I was scared because I thought "Like wow how is this gonna work out". I believe and say that every mission is filled with fun and laughter. More detailed, you sort of find yourself in some very sticky situations. The Gangs were awesome! All coming from different background and ethnics. Thank God! Plus having each gang own customized cars,weapons that they use, business tycoons, and their own customizations of themselves. Does GTA4 have that...?No.. Then CRUISE CONTROL!!! Great invention Volition you can drive and shoot. Without out have to take your gun shoot, while drive and stir. Thank you Again. The weapons. I'm not even gonna touch base on that except for a 2 weapons I entirely enjoyed. Pimp Cane Shot Gun, also the Foam Finger Bitch Slapper. Walk like a pimp, and shoot like a pimp. If you never seen a pimp Saints Row2 is just for you. Now I love it when I go only and we do multilayer and have brawls. Pimp slapping someone into the bleachers or all the way up to the building is FUN! GTA you should try it some time! Jesus! Its like everyone judges on graphics and realism. I don't care about how REAL GTA looks. If I wanted that I go to downtown Dallas and look at the damn skyscrapers. Money.I feel like Saints Row is like your Sims and or/ Sims2 but only in like a fighting/money making tycoon way.You have have franchises where you buy and earn money for them. (I bought EVERYTHING) Im sitting on billions in my SR2. They ask "Isn't SR2 like GTA4?" No. There's a difference from have a dick up your butt(GTA4) to have a nice lollipop after the visit from the doctors.(SR2). So Im behind SR2 and the up coming SR3 1000%. I played all the GTA's. I barely even tried to finish them. I told myself okay it may suck but when the next one comes out it WILL be better. Somehow I kept getting disappointed. I was gonna go back playing internet checkers when I saw SR1. I was like okay this is risky. But I ending up renting it. I couldn't help BUT BUY IT! I finish the game during my summer break in like 5days. With the help of my older brother. We were on it day and night. Like when I slept I couldn't wait to play it. Its just that fun. I never did this for a game. I do say to me SR is addictive. GTA is like well... I can't say whats it like but thats w/e. People rent Saints Row then BUY it. Don't waste anymore money on GTA. Disappoint is likely what your gonna get. Rent it at Blockbuster or Family Video (Family Video cheaper). But you might and should get the first Saints Row before you get the second. That way you can PROPERLY understand whats going on. if you have any questions just ask me. Thanks for reading my long post lol.
M.Keys May 14,2040 8:30pm
I bought a new PC just to play GTA 4, it took me a lot of time to get rid of the errors first. I think that GTA 4 has realistic gameplay and you cant deny that it is fun but still it gets boring after you finish the game but SR2 has unlimited fun it is a great sandbox game especially the mayhem and insurance fraud minigames are the best
i hav spent 100s of hours on both saints row 2 and grand theft auto IV
and i tottally agrea with you gta has a epic story line sometime boring as u need to drive everywhere and kill like nothing but after u completed it what then? spend more money on add ons like the ballad of gay tony which is really good and the other one with the bike gangs which is rubbish and even after u completed there like 20 missions what then....?
but with saints row 2 there is loads of hidden stuff like the bonus mission which yes is short and they got 2 buyable add ons which is very short but u get other stuff along with it like clothes,cares etc.
and it acturly goes along with the storyline not a actual different guy and saints row 2 has the activities which are really fun like i looooove fuzz and the other stuff are ok but all fun also they have hidden island and place like i the hidden bunny which some of u might not no.
and whats up with the rubbish cars and the boring guns on gta yes there are more exiting guns on the add ons 4 it but there is no good cars in the main part of gta where is the peewee! and there is a very small amount about of melee weps and saints row has very fun and imaginative melees like the defibulators chainsaw pimpslap which i love and really funny and the therre aint any fun guns like i could just be doing the pimp walk with the pimp stick shotgun yes the pimpstick shotgun! the dual weps which i cant remember if u can get on gta?? i dont think so
also i cant help to notice why did gtaIV get rid of the planes the gyms the parachutes (yes u can get on the add ons) and many more which sanadreas had
also yes saints row2 cutscene are so much more funnier i cant remember one funny moment from gta and i can remember loads of funny stuff from the shaudi and piece rivalry and the one sentance which is sais all the way through the game "Have u done something to ur hair"?
so u dont think im just all one sided there are something which is bad about saints row 2 it is almost impossible to get arrested on it which is just boring (unlikely for saints row ehh)? you character dont hav a name yes i can see the good things about this as u can feel your acturly in the game or is this just me? i call my character theodor lol.
well thats all i can really think fo there are probs many more things
cya from me and theodor lol
and i tottally agrea with you gta has a epic story line sometime boring as u need to drive everywhere and kill like nothing but after u completed it what then? spend more money on add ons like the ballad of gay tony which is really good and the other one with the bike gangs which is rubbish and even after u completed there like 20 missions what then....?
but with saints row 2 there is loads of hidden stuff like the bonus mission which yes is short and they got 2 buyable add ons which is very short but u get other stuff along with it like clothes,cares etc.
and it acturly goes along with the storyline not a actual different guy and saints row 2 has the activities which are really fun like i looooove fuzz and the other stuff are ok but all fun also they have hidden island and place like i the hidden bunny which some of u might not no.
and whats up with the rubbish cars and the boring guns on gta yes there are more exiting guns on the add ons 4 it but there is no good cars in the main part of gta where is the peewee! and there is a very small amount about of melee weps and saints row has very fun and imaginative melees like the defibulators chainsaw pimpslap which i love and really funny and the therre aint any fun guns like i could just be doing the pimp walk with the pimp stick shotgun yes the pimpstick shotgun! the dual weps which i cant remember if u can get on gta?? i dont think so
also i cant help to notice why did gtaIV get rid of the planes the gyms the parachutes (yes u can get on the add ons) and many more which sanadreas had
also yes saints row2 cutscene are so much more funnier i cant remember one funny moment from gta and i can remember loads of funny stuff from the shaudi and piece rivalry and the one sentance which is sais all the way through the game "Have u done something to ur hair"?
so u dont think im just all one sided there are something which is bad about saints row 2 it is almost impossible to get arrested on it which is just boring (unlikely for saints row ehh)? you character dont hav a name yes i can see the good things about this as u can feel your acturly in the game or is this just me? i call my character theodor lol.
well thats all i can really think fo there are probs many more things
cya from me and theodor lol
I can only say this.It did what GTA did five years ago.They just added a little bit more to make it unrealistic.It's not Rockstar's fault.They just wanted it to be more realistic.Realism is Better Than having an A.I. Dumber than a monkey.I mean WTF man GTA SA Did Better with a 9.9 compared to SR's 8.6.Now that's a FUC**NG FACT.
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1. isnt true. you get a text to replay the mission after you die and you resume from the last checkpoint (i.e. after you've driven to the destination, or done a certain "part" of the mission)
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