To every publisher: Please drop game prices, kthxbye.

Here in Norway new games cost up to 90$, just for some hours of entertainment, no thank you. (Yes I know about buying online, but that's not the point).
Sony is not (hopefully) stupid, only they know when they can drop the price. If they have a price drop planned in November (just an example), they can't just change the date of the price drop just because some say please. They'll have to prepare for it anyway. But there is no reason not to drop the prices on the games, as they are not affected by production costs per unit.

It seems inevitable now and about bloody time

@Strandi
Games have always been expensive it's just the way it is. If you think about it you pay a tenner for a DVD and it gives you 1-3 hours entertainment, and generally games give you a lot more is it's all relative.
But in saying that 90 euros (you guys are on the Euro yeah?) is a hell of a lot but then isn't everything really expensive over there like Booze and Cigs?

@chronic

I think you'd be missing the point of what they've done so far.

Sony's plan thus far has been to upgrade the drive and keep the price points identical. So the 20 is now the 80. Still at the same price point and they're manufacturing the same hardware at the exact same cost to them. Sony actually needs to drop the fucking price point and quit playing this drive upgrade game.

I have no doubt in my mind that we'll be doing this again when Sony "drops" the price. If there's a Slim coming, it'll at most take a $50 drop (but I'm not holding my breath), they'll bump it to 120GB, and the high end model will go to 200GB.

And that way, Sony gets to live in their little world where their shit don't stink for another year.

BTW, Jim it was nice to meet you. Enjoy Texas.

I introduced Bleh and Coon to "You're in the Movies" last night and we enjoyed the fuck out of it.

Midgetsnowman: Most games is only available in English, we only get to choose between English, French, German and the "big ones". I can only remember LBP and Resistance 2 being available in Norwegian.

Kris S: Movies are a lot cheaper, and I only buy movies I know I like, and those movies I have watched countless times. And no, we don't have euros, only NOK, Norwegian Kroner. Killzone, inFamous, Gears 2 cost around 500-600KR, which is 80-90$. But yeah, everything is expensive in Norway.

Konrad9: 1$ = 6,4kr right now.
Say a game costs 60$ in US, that is 381kr.
New games in Norway costs 599kr, that is 94$!
Of course, there is games that is cheaper, but if I want my inFamous fix, there is no other way, then buy at that price, or borrow from a friend. Or buy over the internet, but that is another topic.

Also: The PS3 costs 628$ now here in Norway, at it's cheapest. But I'm ok with that, since that thing actually have some hardware in it, and it's going to last for at least 5 years. A game is a matter of hours, depending on replay value. But I guess we got higher salary in Norway or something, I don't know.

@Strandi

It's not that bad, works out to about £50-60 which I remember paying for N64 games back in the day O_o
Games here are mostly £39.99 new, the odd one is £49.99 but normally drops quite quickly. Mind you I'm not the richest person ever so I would struggle with the extra £10-20 a time, would be used games all the way for me..no exceptions!

Personally, I think video games are turning out much like Hollywood in regards to the amount of money they spend making them. No matter how crappy the game, they spend a ton of money on the craptastic game just to justify the $60 price upon release when really they could have created the same game with half as much money and dropped the price tag $15-20.

I think it's sad that we're still arguing about the price of the PS3 when I still will end up spending more on my 360 to get it working with wireless connections, rechargeable batteries, and a decent HDD (Yay! Proprietary BS drive!).

The only reason Activision wants the price of the PS3 to drop is so people will spend that unspent $100 on one of their peripheral-based games. The only reason Koei is saying the same thing is because they're lemmings.

PS3 price drop won't see drastic increase in third-party game sales since most of the people who would buy it already own a 360 and will likely continue to buy third-party games for that system.

@Velt:

Losing, not loosing.

Sorry, huge pet peeve.

@brainderailment:
Sony keeps the high price just because they want to wipe their asses with money, ignoring the consumers' wishes. Denying the fact that they are already losing money per console sold, a 100$ price cut means they would lose additional 100$ per sale. Software sales can't cover that up.
So instead Sony gives the PS3 more value, at the same price tag, by including games in bundles. I think Sony knows what they are doing, whether we like it or not.

A bundle with Killzone 2 and inFamous included at 399$ is kinda like a 100$ price cut.

Careful Sony, Tecmo Koei might stop developing for your console!

I think they are going to have to give in soon. Everything is cheaper now, right? So Sony's costs should have done down as well.

@Takeshi

Difference between Sony and Ferrari is Ferrari don't give a shit if normal people can't buy their cars whereas Sony need poor people like me to buy their console.

I don't even listen to price complaints anymore because people are getting retarded about it.

The 360, even the Wii is no more expensive than the ps3 if you want these things to work at full efficiency.

Nintendo: hey Nexus you like ou system, our online bites so you better get extra contollers, did I mention they come in two pieces that are 30$ each.

MS: hey nexus thanks for buyin a 360, don't worry about that 20 gb harddrive we will over charge you for a bigger one in a future, did I mention online is 50 bucks a year, oh you want wi fi 100 dollars please, oh and your unit doesn't come with an hdmi port because were the HD console of the future. And try to ignore those red lights for about a month or so, don't worry people yelling it no longer exists over the internet will make the time pass that much faster.

Sony: hey nexus your gonna pay 600$ for this, the development of the system will be slow and steady you know like always been the past two gens, its equiped with a new format to avoid the running out of space issue were gonna go through soon so you don't have to worry about gimped games, wi fi and hdmi are built in and even though were Just starting the psn we have a commited team devoted to it and it will truly turn into something amazing, and free too. Basically were gonna give you all your gaming needs For the next ten years and give you the option of upgradidng your HDD cheap so you never have to see our asses again.

MS and nintendo aren't any cheaper, there just better at hiding their expenses, but I like my bill upfront not in bits and pieces.

My point is:

There are certain things people can't buy. Ferrari's, washing machines or consoles. Which is perfectly normal. Mind you, it is accepted for common goods. "I can't buy that expensive but awesome washing machine. I'd best be starting moaning about it on the internet and throw in a couple petitions while I'm at it." People don't act that way with products like that. They suck it up and buy something else.

But if it concerns a console (preferably a Sony one as it seems nowadays) oh boy, people throw a hissy fit and demand a price drop. And start yelling Sony's marketing sucks! (Which is different from this discussion but I wanted to mention it because I think it's pretty sad to hear people complaining about marketing while they know everything there is to know about the console. So how's that bad marketing?)

To sum it all up, there are two options for a consumer.

Get over it or save up.

Yes, it's that easy.The PS3 is worth every penny. I know, I bought it day one for 600 Euro's.

@ InfraredChimera
"Yeah people can save up $400 or so to buy the damned thing, but then they don't have any money to any games"
a 360 pro costs $299 and live (in Canada) costs $60.you can't tell me that $40 would break your wallet. $40 can buy a used game at best. and it's not like people would be dumb enough to buy a console with no game. what would be the point?

@Infrared

That doesn't make sense at all. So people can save 400 bucks and not buy games? Saving money is saving money. People aren't going to save up for a car without tires now are they? So why would you save for a console without games. It's all about priorities. Haven't got enough money to buy a console? Then don't! Or do, like me and eat peanut butter sandwiches for a month. Breakfast and supper.

I agree with Nexus here. We never hear complaints about the 360 pricetag. Which is rather strange it you think about it. There must be a shitload of people that can't afford a 360 or even a Wii. What are you gonna do about that? "But those are a lot cheaper!" Indeed, but still out of reach for certain people.

Don't get me wrong here. People can hope for a price-cut. Nothing wrong with that. I'm hoping the same for all of them. But demanding it, like so many gamers do is preposterous.

and spelling courses.

Look I get that you guys bought it at full price and of course you want to defend the price because we're effectively saying it's not worth it.
Thing is though I'm complaining about the price in this country not the US where the price is alright.

Nexus you can defend Sony all you want but they fuck us over left and right here. $400 there £400 here, PSPgo will be $250 and £250. They have tried to say it's due to tax which doesn't work out there would still be a £70ish difference on the PS3. Then they tried to say it was because of the higher cost of living here - staff costs etc - which I'm presuming they mean London as Americans seem to think the whole of the UK is London and even then it makes no sense. But more recently they admitted that we - and the Europeans - are more likely to buy thing's at a higher price point which is fucking fantastic if you're in the better off half in the country, not so good if you're not.

I get it from a business point of view, they made a machine that makes barely any profit so they sell it at the high price point where the currency is stronger until everyone who can afford it has bought it. Well from a business point of view Sony, it's 2 years since launch, the 360 is still outselling you 2 to 1 here so it's time for a price drop if you care about getting your product in to peoples homes. And speaking of Home, thought that was how they were planning to make the money? To make the bucks from it they need a higher install base so why not just release a slim version at a lower entry point and then fleece everyone on Home?

And as for you prattling on about how much the 360 + Wii are to be 'fully optimized' don't speak so much shit. If your buying a 360 now you can get an Elite for £200, if you bought one at launch you can sell yours for £100-150ish and pay £50-100 for the upgrade - STILL MAKING IT CHEAPER THAN THE PS3! And that's if you even need the upgrade, I was more than satisfied with what I got because I use it to play games, not a multimedia hub, that's what my PC is for and i don't have an HD tv.

You win on the RROD front and Live though :)

@Takeshi
I'm not demanding a price drop, I am just hoping for it because I want to STFUAJPG! :)

Tell you what though, I've said my piece and I won't mention a price drop again.

It still doesn't seem that "expensive" considering whats in there but oh well i guess perception is reality

@Kris
You guys always get skull f*cked in prices so I won't even touch that but I will say this I'm not defending sony so much as pointing out our own ignorance , even the fact that you said it the 360 is outselling it 2 to 1 is disturbing because it just isnt true. We have told half truths and whole lies to the point where its getting disturbing and makes me question wether the people who say this are either bias or didnt bother to go find the actual facts and just starting spitting sh!t out. the ps3 is selling well, it pulled 24 million units in 2 years even at the higher price point and is still selling well, thats why they won't lower the price , and every media outlet saying their doomed and need to cut the price just isn't paying attention, saying it is not gonna make that price cut come faster, it just makes us look like idiots. this recession mentality to some people was a licence to be fools for some and its beyond irritating because all its done is make people question our intelligence.

Also yes I like fully optimized shit because I kinda don't like half assed consoles, if that many Wii games required the use of multiple remotes then it was optional in the sense that inflated tires are optional to drive a car. If the 360 was a machine I new would come out with better versions of in the future I would have waited instead of losing money on trade ins only to wind up with the shit I should have had in the first place only 50$ cheaper than a launch ps3( and my house is wi fi and I dont even have that 100$ adaptor), but since its useless ' optimization shit' I guess you won't mind footing the bill because I would be happy to send them to you.

The PS3 costs what a fully functioning, feature laden console is worth.

Sure they could swap the blu-ray drive for a DVD drive, strip out the wifi, take the rechargable batteries out of the controllers, swap the cell for an old pentium chip, charge for online, have it made by hamfisted chinese children with the shittiest soldering known to man, and sell it for £150....

But then it'd just be an Xbox 360.