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I'm still surprised Sony is so stubborn about releasing Super Meat Boy on the Playstation Network. However, from the sounds of it, I doubt Team Meat will ever work on consoles again.
This is one of the many reasons Microsoft is ridiculous. I'm not a fanboy by any means, I'm an equal opportunity gamer, but love the constant sales on PSN. Microsoft can eat it with all their money for exclusives for 30 days to a year.
Boooooosh.
Boooooosh.
Looks like Microsoft's paranoid and stubborn actions are producing the exact opposite results they would like. They will end up with less exclusives and strong software on their platform by alienating indie developers such as Team Meat. This is disheartening, as a platforming junkie I loved Super Meatboy and a discount would surely allow more people to appreciate the quality that game offered. I would have bought the next Team Meat XBLA release day one no questions asked (as I'm sure others who would try it out at a sale price would). This kind of practice is no good for anyone. Especially when Steam has proven that frequent awesome sales are a great model. sigh
Really? You are bitter because your game hasn't been on sale yet, so your response is "I will never ever ever work with you again." I'm sorry, but that just seems way over-the-top.
Oh, and in b4 M$.
Oh, and in b4 M$.
This missed the whole part where Team Meat talked about how they would like to work with Microsoft again, but if it was on their terms. They just don't think Microsoft would be up for it after the whole complaining thing.
I listened to the whole podcast. I guess that doesn't bring headlines though.
I listened to the whole podcast. I guess that doesn't bring headlines though.
No doubt if anything goes wrong with the Steam deal we'll get to hear about it too and then we'll hear about how awesome his next publisher is. Even if it is Microsoft again. Whatever.
@DrRockso87
What, is there some kind of an issue with Sony and this game? I assumed it was just some kind of exclusivity thing with Microsoft. Do tell?
What, is there some kind of an issue with Sony and this game? I assumed it was just some kind of exclusivity thing with Microsoft. Do tell?
And did you guys ever think that the reason that Super meat Boy isn't on PSN because Microsoft told them they couldn't publish on XBL unless they had some kind of exclusive? Its happened before and isn't brought to light until much later, it seems like dirty video game tactics that hurts the gamers more than help. I'm sick of exclusives, especially timed ones. Why do I have to wait to play my fallout new vegas DLC for a month? Because Microsoft has the money to toss around for no reason to get it for a month before other platforms. It doesn't sway me to get it on the 360 at all. I have both systems and I just like the overall feel of the PS3, I know others feel differantly, but a month exclusive doesn't make me buy your games more Microsoft, it makes my hate you a lil more Moneybags.
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That's a shame if they really stop working with consoles, games like SMB should be available on the most platforms as possible.
Speaking of which, what about that Wii version? Last time I've heard of it, there was a possibility of it being released as a budget disc release..
Speaking of which, what about that Wii version? Last time I've heard of it, there was a possibility of it being released as a budget disc release..
"We've not had one [discount] sale [on Xbox] since our initial launch, and I don't know if that's going to happen."
Oh come on, guys. That "initial launch" included a $5 discount, something MS did especially for Team Meat. Oh, and let's not forget that Sony turned them down outright and a Wiiware port was deemed nigh impossible due to tech limitations.
These guys really seem determined to only focus on the negatives. Maybe Bill Gates fucked one of their moms?
Oh come on, guys. That "initial launch" included a $5 discount, something MS did especially for Team Meat. Oh, and let's not forget that Sony turned them down outright and a Wiiware port was deemed nigh impossible due to tech limitations.
These guys really seem determined to only focus on the negatives. Maybe Bill Gates fucked one of their moms?
I've never understood MS' "live death grip" stance when it comes to digital pricing. Companies have stated many times before that they either wanted to put something out for very cheap or even free and MS has forced them to charge more for it.
It's their damn game. They should be able to choose (or at least have a say in) pricing and sales. Every developer and game is different and often needs different pricing schemes (and changes in pricing) to succeed.
It's their damn game. They should be able to choose (or at least have a say in) pricing and sales. Every developer and game is different and often needs different pricing schemes (and changes in pricing) to succeed.
I'm almost positive that their 'we haven't gotten one sale since launch' statement is wrong. Wasn't the game down to $10 again over the holidays last year?
As for the exclusivity thing they mention, I don't see the issue here. IF Microsoft is going to sign on as the publisher, of course they want exclusivity. They're not going to want to publish something that's also available on the competitor's platform.
I guarantee that if they went to Sony looking for a publishing deal, Sony would want the same thing. Platform holders aren't going to publish something that's also coming to their competitor's platform the same day.
I honestly think the problem is in both directions with this situation. Microsoft probably did some things that they shouldn't have but I also think Team Meat needs to get some more realistic expectations of what they're going to get when dealing with a console manufacturer.
As for the exclusivity thing they mention, I don't see the issue here. IF Microsoft is going to sign on as the publisher, of course they want exclusivity. They're not going to want to publish something that's also available on the competitor's platform.
I guarantee that if they went to Sony looking for a publishing deal, Sony would want the same thing. Platform holders aren't going to publish something that's also coming to their competitor's platform the same day.
I honestly think the problem is in both directions with this situation. Microsoft probably did some things that they shouldn't have but I also think Team Meat needs to get some more realistic expectations of what they're going to get when dealing with a console manufacturer.
@some guys up there: Part of their contract with M$ stated they can't go to the PSN with Meat Boy. They tweeted this quite a few times. They also, minutes before this article came up on Twitter, said that they only have a problem with the way the XBLA has worked for them, but that M$ overall have been great. (As someone else pointed out.)
@Tristrix - I believe they've said that they were talking with Sony originally but Sony turned them down, which is how they ended up working with MS so yes, it's an exclusivity thing now but I believe there are also some hard feelings over Sony not wanting to work with them originally.
It's too bad for console gamers, but Team Meat's projects aren't very graphic intensive, so everyone should be able to run the PC versions.
I'd take it, personally as, "Wow, M-soft thinks after all this time that people still want to buy our game at full price, they must have confidence in our gme, value, and conent." though I'm niether an asshole or irrational.
That is sad business indeed... shame on Microsoft for screwing over the little guy. And, unfortunately, Team Meat will likely not be getting my dollars on any other platform besides XBLA, due to my never using a PC for gaming. Hopefully I am in the minority on that.
@Mr. 3man: I think it has more to do with advertising then discounts. If you put a game on a say 30% off sale you want people to know about it. This makes more people convinced to buy the product at a cheaper price and if the product is good word starts to get around and your sales increase even after the sell is over or at the very least people who missed out on the sale will wait till the next one. I haven't had a chance to buy SMB myself but I may depending on whether or not Hard Reset turns out to be any good.
I think you're getting your timeline mixed up there Jim. They said this before the mini shitstorm, not after.
I'm inclined to believe the Team Meat guys, but they sure are doing a LOT of bitching. It's a shame they won't work with MS anymore. Platformers are the type of game I want to play on my couch, not sitting at my desk. Hopefully they can find a way to work with Sony in the future.
I'm really starting to dislike Team Meat. I'm not going to say they didn't have a negative experience to some degree, but they've said some things that just aren't true. For example Meat boy was the poster boy for the Summer of Arcade and was plastered all over the marketplace/dashboard.
Not to mention that they act like immature children. Saying fuck every other word isn't edgy, funny or independent. Its annoying. But they've made on great game so far so I will buy the next.
Not to mention that they act like immature children. Saying fuck every other word isn't edgy, funny or independent. Its annoying. But they've made on great game so far so I will buy the next.
I'm not surprised, given how they got screwed with their release by the suits who thought Hydrophobia was going to be the hotness. I am, however, saddened that they probably won't have their games on my preferred platform.
"Steam rules supreme!"
Yeah their next game will probably be on Steam too, but didn't they already confirm, that they're working on the Wii U for their next game? Super Meat Boy was suppose to be a WiiWare game, right from the start, but since they went multiplatform with XBLA, it became too big for WiiWare. Thus why they made the decision to cancel the WiiWare version, to go with XBLA instead. Which sound like they're regretting that move now, since they say they'll never work with Microsoft again. Makes you wonder how things might of went, if they never moved it to XBLA, but I guess we'll never know how things would of turned out otherwise!
Yeah their next game will probably be on Steam too, but didn't they already confirm, that they're working on the Wii U for their next game? Super Meat Boy was suppose to be a WiiWare game, right from the start, but since they went multiplatform with XBLA, it became too big for WiiWare. Thus why they made the decision to cancel the WiiWare version, to go with XBLA instead. Which sound like they're regretting that move now, since they say they'll never work with Microsoft again. Makes you wonder how things might of went, if they never moved it to XBLA, but I guess we'll never know how things would of turned out otherwise!
Chalk it up as a learning experience. Some devs say otherwise about their MS dealings, so who really knows?
That said, Steam 4 Life.
That said, Steam 4 Life.
@Isay Isay
Thank you for that. And that's genuinely disappointing. I've always been a major proponent of Sony's track record with indie devs, but yeah, this is a pretty indefensible misstep. Hate to hear it.
Thank you for that. And that's genuinely disappointing. I've always been a major proponent of Sony's track record with indie devs, but yeah, this is a pretty indefensible misstep. Hate to hear it.
Didn't SMB launch with a special discount? MS are pretty good with the sales and permanent discounts, these guys just seem like pests to me.
This is nothing new, Team Meat has been blasting Microsoft Game studios for a while now because they weren't handed everything on a silver platter. They are an unknown developer and Microsoft publishes their little Indie game that eventually makes them serious cash and puts them on the map and all they do is badmouth Microsoft. Nobody would know who they are right now if MS didn't step up to the plate, as Sony had already passed on the game.
I am sick of these indie devs who make one popular game and all of a sudden think they can run the gaming industry. Same thing happened with the guy who made Angry birds. All these entitled pricks can move along. I hope their next games crash.
I am sick of these indie devs who make one popular game and all of a sudden think they can run the gaming industry. Same thing happened with the guy who made Angry birds. All these entitled pricks can move along. I hope their next games crash.
Oh c'mon now that's gettin pretty harsh...
Even Steam continues to work with M$ even though it's a trainwreck.
Even Steam continues to work with M$ even though it's a trainwreck.
@richochetguro I agree. I'm pretty close to not giving a shit about anything else Team Meat does. They seem unprofessional and whiny.
They seemed to expect a lot of special attention for an unknown studio making their first game.
They seemed to expect a lot of special attention for an unknown studio making their first game.
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