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My cousin's sister's wife works at Team Bondi, and she told me that after LA Noire was released, they had one gigantic orgy to celebrate.
"All of the management and staff at Team Bondi want to improve our processes"
I've always found it dangerous and unreliable to speak of others' intentions. I can freely and accurately speak of my own motivations, but not of others, I cannot read minds.
I find people that do this to not be as intelligent and objective as they think themselves.
I know nothing of Team Bondi, nor do I take sides, I am just stating that speaking of others motivations is downright irresponsible and impossible to substantiate.
I've always found it dangerous and unreliable to speak of others' intentions. I can freely and accurately speak of my own motivations, but not of others, I cannot read minds.
I find people that do this to not be as intelligent and objective as they think themselves.
I know nothing of Team Bondi, nor do I take sides, I am just stating that speaking of others motivations is downright irresponsible and impossible to substantiate.
Good on them. I hope that their conditions will be better so they can use it to make a FUN game and not a cinematic point & click game with shooting elements.
/*grumble*
/*grumble*
Kind of makes you wonder what would drive a person to want to destroy their ex-employer?
I suppose the developers at Rockstar San Diego were also driven by personal vendettas they complained of the exact same thing after making Red Dead Redemption. And it's not like Rockstar "learned from the experience" after that incident. No, instead they made it into a big fucking joke and started making Eye of Sauron wallpapers, and putting Eye of Sauron references into their next game (LA Noir).
I have no doubt that Bondi deserves all the criticism, as does Rockstar.
I suppose the developers at Rockstar San Diego were also driven by personal vendettas they complained of the exact same thing after making Red Dead Redemption. And it's not like Rockstar "learned from the experience" after that incident. No, instead they made it into a big fucking joke and started making Eye of Sauron wallpapers, and putting Eye of Sauron references into their next game (LA Noir).
I have no doubt that Bondi deserves all the criticism, as does Rockstar.
Did he address the fact that he acted like a total dickwad in that intercepted email? Or was that "fabricated"?
I feel bad that all their hard work was wasted on me.
LA Noire bored the piss out of me. i can't even bring myself to finish it.
LA Noire bored the piss out of me. i can't even bring myself to finish it.
So the guys who left or got fired have a vendetta against you. Sure, I can see that.
He does know Rockstar themselves were slamming the studio for the exact same reasons right? I don't think they have a vendetta against the studio.
He does know Rockstar themselves were slamming the studio for the exact same reasons right? I don't think they have a vendetta against the studio.
I wonder. People surely left because everything is well and nice. I mean, who doesn't want to search a new job all the time when everything is fucking nice.
And I think it has to be pretty bad, because I would love a job in game development and I doubt anyone would leave that job without serious reasons.
And I think it has to be pretty bad, because I would love a job in game development and I doubt anyone would leave that job without serious reasons.
@Begaria
"My cousin's sister's wife..."
Your cousin's sister would be another cousin; it is completely superfluous to refer to your cousin as your cousin's sister...
You should have said your cousin's wife and been done with it.
"My cousin's sister's wife..."
Your cousin's sister would be another cousin; it is completely superfluous to refer to your cousin as your cousin's sister...
You should have said your cousin's wife and been done with it.
I do love me some developer drama. It's kind of like office drama except video games which just makes it hilarious.
Remember the whole thing about Activision and Infinity Ward last year? Good times.
That said, the industry really does need to get it's act together as a whole. The "crunch time" mentality and bosses who demand more than their wokers can put out is one of those things that we're getting better at but that it seems like a hefty group of people still find that okay and it's not.
@Begaria
Your cousin's sister would still be your cousin sweetheart. Even if she's a lesbian.
Remember the whole thing about Activision and Infinity Ward last year? Good times.
That said, the industry really does need to get it's act together as a whole. The "crunch time" mentality and bosses who demand more than their wokers can put out is one of those things that we're getting better at but that it seems like a hefty group of people still find that okay and it's not.
@Begaria
Your cousin's sister would still be your cousin sweetheart. Even if she's a lesbian.
So people don't enjoy games for what their meant to be anymore? Always it doesn't have this which I wanted so game is shit! Psh
@spman2099
I think the flawed description was part of his joke, especially when you consider that it would be unlikely for his cousin's sister to have a wife since gay marriage is not allowed in Australia.
I think the flawed description was part of his joke, especially when you consider that it would be unlikely for his cousin's sister to have a wife since gay marriage is not allowed in Australia.
Although I dislike Brenden McNamara for being such a bad manager, I do hope he continues to make games. Because lets face it, L.A. Noire *was* a great game despite its flaws. Personally I almost find it good enough to be considered a flawed masterpiece.
But only if he actually improves on his management skills. Even it turned out to be another good game, I would hate to see Team Bondi repeat the living hell they went through to develop L.A. Noire.
But only if he actually improves on his management skills. Even it turned out to be another good game, I would hate to see Team Bondi repeat the living hell they went through to develop L.A. Noire.
OMFG shut up you cry baby code writers. You are working on a major, blockbuster game. This is expected. You are working for a corporate employer. Long hours should be expected, what do these people want, 9-5 lol!?
Bah, so sick of people being up in arms for anyone that writes code, like its some romantic thing. Everyone, in every sector, is overworked, underpaid and under appreciated.
Bah, so sick of people being up in arms for anyone that writes code, like its some romantic thing. Everyone, in every sector, is overworked, underpaid and under appreciated.
And we should all be ok with that? If assholes like were not ignored, we would not have 40 hour weeks, holidays and overtime pay. Remember to relax and think of flowers when your corporate masters step behind you.
@karavision - To make something great, or launch something big, then this is expected. Not wanting to disclose to much of my personal life, I've worked 70 hour work weeks to launch something on a massive scale for a corporate employer. My hours are more normal now that its launched, but I'm proud of what we achieved. I've also been rewarded through bonuses for my hard work.
If these designers/devs/whatever don't want to be part of this, then don't sign up. The video game industry is a $74 billion field -- there are other avenues. These people have L.A. Noire on their resume now, getting that next gig with their demands will most likely prove to be easier.
If these designers/devs/whatever don't want to be part of this, then don't sign up. The video game industry is a $74 billion field -- there are other avenues. These people have L.A. Noire on their resume now, getting that next gig with their demands will most likely prove to be easier.
@epic
Crap... all these years that I've been having fun with point and click adventures.. have I been doing it wrong?!
Crap... all these years that I've been having fun with point and click adventures.. have I been doing it wrong?!
@ evilchamp, njsykora, casper, anbia
This actually is a serious issue, the way AAA studios exploit their workers to make games really have to change. This was not working, this was squeezing the life out of your employees, then forgetting them, then firing them. No respect for talent, only cranking the game out. We REALLY shouldn't just care about the end product. We make this wheels turn, might as well support the people that actually love making these games.
This guy has a good write down on it:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-05-la-noire-the-team-bondi-emails-article
This actually is a serious issue, the way AAA studios exploit their workers to make games really have to change. This was not working, this was squeezing the life out of your employees, then forgetting them, then firing them. No respect for talent, only cranking the game out. We REALLY shouldn't just care about the end product. We make this wheels turn, might as well support the people that actually love making these games.
This guy has a good write down on it:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-05-la-noire-the-team-bondi-emails-article
@Synestesia -- Checking out link now. But I have to say, I *kind of* hear what you're saying, but am so tired and sick about people being up in arms for the people that write "code."
wittynickname: I click doubt
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-deep breath-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you for that.
@Kain: y u steal wittynickname's comment?
At first I agreed with Epic, it seemed boring.. Then near the end, I couldn't get enough! I'm pissed I didn't get the Rockstar Pass for the extra DLC but as it looks like you won't get the NEW NEW DLC with it, I'll just wait for an Xbox LIVE Deal of the Week.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-deep breath-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you for that.
@Kain: y u steal wittynickname's comment?
At first I agreed with Epic, it seemed boring.. Then near the end, I couldn't get enough! I'm pissed I didn't get the Rockstar Pass for the extra DLC but as it looks like you won't get the NEW NEW DLC with it, I'll just wait for an Xbox LIVE Deal of the Week.
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