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Team 17 calls Microsoft bribe accusations 'bollocks' photo

Worms enjoyed an exclusive period of time on Xbox Live Arcade before gracing other digital platforms with its presence, and Team 17's other big revival, Alien Breed: Evolution, appears to be doing the same thing. Of course, with third party exclusivity comes emotional fanboys making wild accusations of treachery and conspiracies, which Team 17 has put down quite emphatically. 

"Obviously we'd like everything on every platform day one," explains studio boss Martyn Brown. "The LIVE Arcade thing … we get accused of being bribed or we've took Microsoft's money, and it's all bollocks.

"The reason is that we've got a long relationship with Microsoft's first party unit. We get on great with them. In exchange for exclusivity we get a lot more promotion. We've got a closer deal with them. That's just how it is. It's unfortunate. That's just how we work. I appreciate PS3 owners getting pissed off because it's not on their platform immediately, but that's up to Sony I guess to address that.

"They've [Sony] got their own exclusives. You look at Super Stardust, which is exclusive to PS3. It works the other way round. For people complaining, at the same time, people on LIVE Arcade can't play Super Stardust or PAIN or a bunch of titles. It's just the way the world works really."

I didn't realize PS3 fans were getting that pissed off at Team 17, but it just goes to show that console loyalists will find anything to get distraught over. I suppose that's what happens with teenagers (or adults with the minds of teenagers) continue to live in idealistic dreamworlds facilitated by the fact that they live with their parents and don't understand that people need to make business decisions. A fair few members of the gaming community really should learn how to be realistic and understand that if the world ran their way, nobody would have any money.


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CRAZYAPE69's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 11:23
CRAZYAPE69
in other news, penis.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 11:27
CelicaCrazed
Did he just contradict himself?? Or is taking money from MS not the same as MS paying for their advertisment??
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 11:33
whormongr
"I appreciate PS3 owners getting pissed off because it's not on their platform immediately, but that's up to Sony I guess to address that."

umm no it isn't, sony can do whatever they want but publishers control the release dates and can do a simultaneous release if they want to and if the publishers are getting flack for their timetables they can't go and blame people for getting angry about the situation that they created- sony isn't sitting there saying- "don't publish this, we want to wait and let MS get an exclusive timed release"
donkeykong's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 11:43
donkeykong
@CelicaCrazed, I noticed that too, I came here to comment and look smart and even though only three people commented before me (maybe more by the time I post but hopefully not), someone has already made my point.

Now what am I supposed to say?
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 11:48
Chronic Logic
And is there anything wrong with accepting money for times exclusives? Cause the word "bribery" implies illegality.
Havoc Fang's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:00
Havoc Fang
This reminds me of the whole "Okay, you get MGS, we get Halo" kind of deal a ton of fanboys kept saying.

You get Worms and Alien Breed, we get Pain. Come on. It happens to be a two way road.

I'm joking, but you get the idea...But seriously. Pain is hot.
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:09
munkee
i hope the new alien breed game does make its way to psn.. i was a huge amiga fan and would love to play a remake by team 17 themselves. its weird, i do own a 360 but never really play it!? I dont really see anything wrong with it either.. i think im just scared to invest money on it incase it dies! So, in retrospect I guess that Jims MS article was true.
Solid Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:14
Solid Squirrel
Although Worms was originally released on PC, one could argue it only got popular thanks to it's releases on the PS1 and subsequent systems.

I seem to recall that happening to a well-designed series of games on the PS1, the Oddworld series.

...and look where that ended up.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:19
Black Nexus
I didn't realize anyone was making an uproar at all, I haven't even heard anyone talk about this game.
Drunk Ste's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:22
Drunk Ste
The problem with fanboys is they can’t possibly imagine a world where a person or company might actually have a preference for another console, in their warped little minds if another console gets any kind of exclusive then it must mean that someone is being bribed. I hate to single one type but Sony fanboys are by far the most vocal online. I put it down to the kids who have grown up while Sony dominated the market with the PS1 and PS2, they are taking brand loyalty to a new level of stupidity.
Drunk Ste's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:30
Drunk Ste
@ Solid Squirrel
Worms started out on the Amiga and ended up being ported to just about every other platform that was on the market, I remember playing it on the SNES.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 12:40
Shadowiii
@Solid Squirrel

That's total bullcrap. Worms found its place in PC gaming. Ask anybody who plays it now; they all remember playing Worms Armageddon on their PCs, not any other systems.
Nice attempt at being a fanboy, though. Needed more "Microshitting fagtarts."
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 13:03
whormongr
@Chronic Logic there isn't anything illegal about a woman sleeping with a rich guy for money either but it still makes her a whore
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 13:40
Knives
@whormongr
They would call her the same if she slept with everyone else.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 13:53
WarZombie
I don't get why PS3 fanboys just can't accept the fact that developers, just as much as gamers, can make DECISIONS. If they don't want to pay for advertising, and MS can help them out with that in exchange for timed-exclusivity, THEN LET THEM CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

There have been times where I've wanted a game that was out for Wii and PS3 also come to 360, but until I buy those consoles, I won't be able to play them and I accept that fact. Games are business (A SERIOUS BUSINESS), and shit is going to happen isn't always going to go your way. Stop acting like every publisher owes your console-of-choice something.
Sam Spectre's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 13:58
Sam Spectre
fuck fanboys
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 14:32
munkee
plenty of stealthy fanboy-ism going on here haha
aZZmodan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 14:39
aZZmodan
Oh noes... Companies paying for exclusive rights...? What is the world coming to...?
Solid Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 14:44
Solid Squirrel
@Shadowiii You may notice I said that Worms got it's footing in PC gaming, but became widespread in PS1 releases, and subsequently Dreamcast, even if as Drunk Ste pointed out it was playable on the SNES.

I'm not accusing Team17 of bribery--but as a few others have pointed out, Brown's statement pretty much fesses up they give priority to MS because they get promoted by them. It's just a legal way of saying one has taken a gift of compensation to prioritize to specific parties.
Midgetsnowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 17:18
Midgetsnowman
@Solid Squirrel: Which isn't exactly as much of a crime as people would love to imply it is. Game developers develop games to make money. If one company is offering to pay my advertising costs and give me a shitload of free hype, and the other company isn't, which is more likely to pay me and my employees?
Genebeef's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 17:37
Genebeef
@ S Squirrel: you're still implying it's wrong, which it isn't. team 17 pointed out here that MS is willing to give them support, even in the face that this will show up on psn definately, but they still they wanted to help and sony showed no interest. also that specific games that have no reason to be exclusively on psn, are. says a lot about sony and a lot about who's actually doing the "bribing" here.

and worms did not get a boost from the playstation brand. it has, and always been asociated with pc gaming. maybe it was different in your little world. your tiny, little world.

i'm really glad team 17 brought this up. it really brings to light a more rational reason on why stuff either shows up a lot later on playstation, or not at all other than what the sony boys and sony rep harp on. sony is still in the stubbourn, disallusioned state of "we're still the industry leaders" when clearly the developers say different and think of the playstation brand as a second thought.
whatthi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2009 20:35
whatthi
chilax dudes its not even that of a great game

@ Drunk Ste
"I hate to single one type but Sony fanboys are by far the most vocal online"

are you sure?
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 04:34
ChaosTeaCup
@ Drunk Ste
"I hate to single one type but Sony fanboys are by far the most vocal online"

are you sure?

@Whatthi

Unequivobaly so.
Without doubt.
Actual factual.
So, so true.
Amen.
Word to the third.
Hells yes.
Gyeeeahh.
ETC....
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 07:59
munkee
ChaosTeaCup once again shows his fanboy-like devotion to xbox 360. You dont even try to hide it anymore :P
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 08:34
ChaosTeaCup
Perhaps, Munkee. I'm unabashedly more 'into' the 360, than I am the PS3. No shame in admitting that. I am a PC gamer, too, so I'm not completely blinkered. Also, I would consider getting a PS3 under the right conditions, which they've yet to meet (and I ain't just talkin' pricepoint). If you're denying that PS3 fanboys are the most zealous, then I think perhaps you've sucessfully managed to avoid any inernet tipic that pits the two systems against each other. Killzone2, anybody. Damn. Where's Sexualchocolate when you need him?
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 09:48
wardrox
"In exchange for exclusivity we get a lot more promotion"

wait... that's not a bribe?
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 10:39
munkee
@ChaosTeaCup
Come on man, Yeah the Killzone monkeys were shoutin' there gobs off. but, dont for a second think that halo 3 wasn't so verbally and idiotically supported.. I can't see that either side is any 'better' than the other really.

Honest question now [i say that because its hard to just type/ask things these days without people getting defensive and gobby, not saying you do, just in general] If your a PC gamer, then why bother with a 360? The PC can do anythin a 360 can do, just better!? I too am a PC gamer [not so much at the minute] and dont really see the need for my 360 mainly because my PC does a better job of windows/PC games. I just see the 360 as a cheap PC in a living room box. I have a PS3 also, which is my most used console. The PS3 offers me game experience's that I cant get on PC or 360.

Don't get me wrong I have had some great fun on my 360.. but, nuthin essential. A lot of people slate the PS3 exclusive games and networking. But, a lot of the games are fucking fantastic fun and I cant play them on a 360 or PC. A lot of 360 'exclusive' fun can be enjoyed on a PC. I dont really see a problem with the networking either!? LIVE is great. But, you do have to pay for something that is free on both PS3 and PC. Also, I dont want animated avatars or all that other advertising on my console. The PSN is not as technically accomplished. But, does its job absolutely fine..

Feel free to tell me your side of things :D
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 11:02
ChaosTeaCup
Well, Munkee... I was a total PC gamer snob, to be honest, and thought that all consoles were shite. Then I got offered a second hand 360, with 10 games for 50 quid, so I took it. My PC is well out of spec now, so new games are a bit of a no-no, and well, I'm just happy playing on the xbox. Gears 2 Multiplayer ranks as one of my favourite games ever, and so, there you have it...

I know xbox fanboys are awful too, and God help me, I hope I don't come across as a total fanboy. I have access to a friend's PS3, and I play it quite a bit, but as of yet, I've seen nothing other than KZ2 (ironically) that makes me want one. But I won't rule it out. I think I need to break my psychological link that I place with Playstation and Japanese games. Out of the hundreds of Japanese games I've played over the years, I've only ever liked about three, so I kind of assume (but to assume makes an ass of u and me, I know) that Playstation is not the brand for me.

So to summarise, it's the 360's link to PC gaming that won me over in the first place. Something the PS3 doesn't really hold, in my mind. Oh, and Gears2 MP.
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 11:19
munkee
See, now that is a brilliant response! Because one of the main reasons that I always prefer the playstations to the xbox is exactly because of that japanese link. I too was a PC snob. But, I always found that the PS2 had these strange and quirky japanese titles or games involving big robots [also, i love PS controller] ^_^ where as i found the xbox a bit too american. Plenty of sports games [which i loathe except for car racing] and nothing that I personally found original.

See, as far as I can tell, the fanboys are barking up the wrong tree with all this talk of specs, graphics and Blu-rays.. The real deal is the software on it! The only reason I bought the 360 [also £50] was to play fable2 [loved it], Gears2 [loved it] & halo3 [which i thought was a joke of a game ] now i am only really keeping it for splinter cell & maybe a lil' alan wake when it finally arrives. I couldn't care less about GPU's or CPU's the console's both have pro's & con's and I don't think I have a lesser experience on my PS3, even though 360 fanboys seem to tell me otherwise :P

So thanks for a good reply.. too many times people just reply by telling me that "PS3 is for fucktards" or somehing equally as intelligent.
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 11:48
ChaosTeaCup
I have to confess to getting involved in some pretty retarded fanboy wars, and sometimes I have this neuro-muscular-reaction that makes it hard for me to resist the odd bit of trolling. But I only do it for shits-and-giggles, you understand? I love getting into fights with Sexualchocolate. That guy is a gadget and-a-half, man... I'm a good-guy, really.
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/28/2009 11:56
munkee
nobody can explain sexualchocolate, haha.. i heard that he actually lives under a bridge. what a guy!

We all love a bit of trolling. Its just nice to find out peoples real reasons behind their comments. Obviously sexualchocolate was touched in his special place by people on benefits while he was growing up. dear of him.

ps. i am going to find him on psn and i AM going to fuck him up :P haha
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