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"So let's get rid of the idea of 'gamer cred'. Let's stop judging each other based on how many games we've played. Let's stop segregating gamers based on meaningless terms like 'hardcore' or 'casual'."
Noob, lol.
But seriously, amazing article, Holmes! I wish that people could follow suit, but this way of thinking literally permeates every hobby/pop-culture item available. Sports culture is a perfect example (ie how many years you've followed a team [how many years you've gamed]; stats; willingness to watch collegiate level to augment your pro level knowledge [do you play retro or "hardcore" games]; general mechanical understanding of the game and terms [ie game genre definers]).
I've come to just accept it for what it is, and enjoy people of varying viewpoints. As long as the "elitists" aren't personally attacking people, I can accept it -- but looking down on people isn't exclusively a gaming-centric idea. Hey, I might even learn something!
Noob, lol.
But seriously, amazing article, Holmes! I wish that people could follow suit, but this way of thinking literally permeates every hobby/pop-culture item available. Sports culture is a perfect example (ie how many years you've followed a team [how many years you've gamed]; stats; willingness to watch collegiate level to augment your pro level knowledge [do you play retro or "hardcore" games]; general mechanical understanding of the game and terms [ie game genre definers]).
I've come to just accept it for what it is, and enjoy people of varying viewpoints. As long as the "elitists" aren't personally attacking people, I can accept it -- but looking down on people isn't exclusively a gaming-centric idea. Hey, I might even learn something!
I guess if one makes a film about Cannibals they don't necessarily have to dine with them on all courses
I miss these meaty TtWaV posts<3
"Gamer" sounds gross. Why would anyone willingly label themselves as such? Playa sounds much more charming.
Also why is that picture of Tara Long and Conrad Zimmerman drawn as topless elderly cat owners relevant?
"Gamer" sounds gross. Why would anyone willingly label themselves as such? Playa sounds much more charming.
Also why is that picture of Tara Long and Conrad Zimmerman drawn as topless elderly cat owners relevant?
What a great point. It doesn't matter how much you have played games, or how much you know about games. Hell you don't even need to know what a game is, knowing what you're talking about is over rated, and holding people to know what they are talking about is silly and damaging to our culture.
Well said.
Well said.
I can't help it woooo-oo-oohhh, I just can't help it. I just want to talk to Jonathan Holmes about whether something is pedophilia or not.
Gamer is the wierdest term. Do people who watch movies call themselves viewers? No, they go with movie buff, or, better, sci-fi nerd, fantasy freak...Basically, they idnetify the genre they like. Do music fans call themselves listeners? No, they're music lovers, or punk rockers, ot what have you. Gamers is used to identify one who games, as if the majority don't. It's inherently an exclusionist term. I refuse to be labeled as such...what's next, should we start wearing patches with yellow controllers on our sleaves?
When I think of the term gamer, I think of people who only see gaming as competitive. These are the most pathetic. I mean really, if you're seeking a sense of accomoplishment from being the best at a certain game you need to reevaluate your life up until this point. Sure, you can play to win, but recognize that the thrill of victory is fleeting, and that your accomplishment really means nothing.
When I think of the term gamer, I think of people who only see gaming as competitive. These are the most pathetic. I mean really, if you're seeking a sense of accomoplishment from being the best at a certain game you need to reevaluate your life up until this point. Sure, you can play to win, but recognize that the thrill of victory is fleeting, and that your accomplishment really means nothing.
@FatTroll I guess professional sports mean nothing to you either. Competition is one of the GOOD things that comes from games. Humanity would be nothing if some of us did not constantly strive to be better, faster, stronger, smarter, etc.
The problem with competition is when the competitors get out of control with their attitudes, cheating, and not knowing how to NOT be competitive. But the simple fact of the matter is that healthy competition is always, always good.
The problem with competition is when the competitors get out of control with their attitudes, cheating, and not knowing how to NOT be competitive. But the simple fact of the matter is that healthy competition is always, always good.
It all roots down to don't judge someone for the things they like. Judge them for their actions and their attitudes towards others. Simple as that.
Great video and that, I agree with this article because JHolmes wrote it, et cetera et cetera I am Destructoid. I myself have deep, long, THICK gamer cred.
Great article Holmes! I love the Talking to Women about Videogames series. You bring up a lot of interesting points in your articles and I always enjoy them. Any chance this special means season 2 is coming soon? I hope so.
Oh, haha, I just remembered about that contest you had! You ever get results, or did that go to a green pasture to peacefully die? Whatever the case, just keep making these videos. The world will become a better and more resolved place if we can shout these articles to the world.
Oh, haha, I just remembered about that contest you had! You ever get results, or did that go to a green pasture to peacefully die? Whatever the case, just keep making these videos. The world will become a better and more resolved place if we can shout these articles to the world.
One thing that used to suck about gaming is that you had to be good at it to enjoy it and come into the club, unlike other mediums. Thankfully that has started to change in the last 6-7 years (we have a lot to owe to Nintendo - DS, Wii).
@Cody Kings Competition is good, but gaming is not only competative - it's designed for entertainment (or artistic appretiation, if you wanna go deep). The competition is there for fun. People who play one game only and invest half their lives into becoming great at it are sickos, they're nut cases, because no good will come out of it. Maybe they'll win an MLG or EVO tourney, but they're not going to change the way the game is played or inspire people, like a Magic Johnson. They're just gonna make the game less fun for those who play against them, which is fine, but they're certainly not progressing anything. At the same time, they're blocking themselves off from all the other great games, which makes me think they play out of some mistaken attempt to gain self-actualization.
Barf - What pretentious crap.
She got "tense" because she co-directed a movie where she knew next-to-nothing on the topic. It's a natural question to ask the director if they are involved or understand the topic that they are communicating to you on film. That has nothing to do with "gamer cred".
She got "tense" because she co-directed a movie where she knew next-to-nothing on the topic. It's a natural question to ask the director if they are involved or understand the topic that they are communicating to you on film. That has nothing to do with "gamer cred".
An interesting episode. The thing is, she is a film maker who made a film, so what's at stake is the final product (which was apparently excellent) and her credibility as a film-maker. If she was just a pretty face that they assigned as the spokesperson for the film - who had no directorial input, who was not an active participant in the process.. then people rightfully could feel a little ripped off if she was given a title (co-director) that she didn't deserve just because she could sell the game better. It wouldn't bode well for the industry if they start having "appealing personalities" take over for the people who do the work.
This is what people fear (and see everyday) in the gaming world. MTV hosts shift from hosting music shows to all of a sudden being game critics and hosting gaming shows. Models who look pretty are telling us how to play games as they read a script. It all lacks weight and makes gaming into nothing more than the weather segment on the news where the weather bunny reads what the meteorologist wrote and has no understanding of what she's talking about. It's superficial and lessens us as gamers if we allow pretty or funny to be more important than knowledge or passion. There's a place for both (see G4TV)... but overall I think most gamers prefer original thought on games, passion for games and knowledge about games over someone just trying to sell themselves and merely see the gaming industry as a vehicle for their personal success.
Credibility IS important - maybe not as important as people think, but I still think it's important. Credibility also lends itself to expertise. If you - Jonathan - wrote a review of Dust 514, a PS3 FPS game, I would take it with a grain of salt as you don't seem to play a lot of FPS games. I would want to read a review by someone else who does play a lot of FPS games and can better compare and discuss the game mechanics, weapons, maps in relation to other common FPS games before I bought it (though Dust is free, so I guess that point is moot!). You're one of my favorite writers Jonathan... but I do think that experience, knowledge and passion are needed for expertise, which gives credibility, not just writing skill. "Gamer cred" is a mixed bag... but I think it speaks more to expertise and passion for an aspect of the industry. Lisette's passion seems to be for making films and she made a good one. Any credibility will be as a director.
... then again, we live in a pretty shallow society where being funny or being pretty, or just being available often is more important than knowledge... which is why we have FOX news segments talking about the terrible sex scenes that children will be exposed to in Mass Effect. Save the children!!... but look pretty while you're doing it. Definitely don't do any research or become knowledgeable on a topic before being an "expert".
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This is what people fear (and see everyday) in the gaming world. MTV hosts shift from hosting music shows to all of a sudden being game critics and hosting gaming shows. Models who look pretty are telling us how to play games as they read a script. It all lacks weight and makes gaming into nothing more than the weather segment on the news where the weather bunny reads what the meteorologist wrote and has no understanding of what she's talking about. It's superficial and lessens us as gamers if we allow pretty or funny to be more important than knowledge or passion. There's a place for both (see G4TV)... but overall I think most gamers prefer original thought on games, passion for games and knowledge about games over someone just trying to sell themselves and merely see the gaming industry as a vehicle for their personal success.
Credibility IS important - maybe not as important as people think, but I still think it's important. Credibility also lends itself to expertise. If you - Jonathan - wrote a review of Dust 514, a PS3 FPS game, I would take it with a grain of salt as you don't seem to play a lot of FPS games. I would want to read a review by someone else who does play a lot of FPS games and can better compare and discuss the game mechanics, weapons, maps in relation to other common FPS games before I bought it (though Dust is free, so I guess that point is moot!). You're one of my favorite writers Jonathan... but I do think that experience, knowledge and passion are needed for expertise, which gives credibility, not just writing skill. "Gamer cred" is a mixed bag... but I think it speaks more to expertise and passion for an aspect of the industry. Lisette's passion seems to be for making films and she made a good one. Any credibility will be as a director.
... then again, we live in a pretty shallow society where being funny or being pretty, or just being available often is more important than knowledge... which is why we have FOX news segments talking about the terrible sex scenes that children will be exposed to in Mass Effect. Save the children!!... but look pretty while you're doing it. Definitely don't do any research or become knowledgeable on a topic before being an "expert".
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I just wanted to say that I love Anime Reporter Holmes and whomever came up with it deserves a medal and a hug.
Having knowledge and experience of the history of games makes me respect people more than those who pick up the first thing advertised on G4.
Similarly, my respect for those who read Twilight and claim to like books or watch The Three Stooges and claim to like movies is minimal, which makes me an elitist of the highest order.
Similarly, my respect for those who read Twilight and claim to like books or watch The Three Stooges and claim to like movies is minimal, which makes me an elitist of the highest order.
Dear Mr. Holmes,
you got the name of the lovely (and obviously very talented) lady wrong. It's "Lisanne", not "Lissane" Pajot!
you got the name of the lovely (and obviously very talented) lady wrong. It's "Lisanne", not "Lissane" Pajot!
First, so glad TtWaV is back.
Second, I kind of disagree, partially at least. A few years ago I tried listening to an episode of an all female gaming podcast, I was interested because it was a perspective I hadn’t heard much of at the time, and about ten minutes in one of them of them admitted to having only ever played the DS and another admitted to having never finished a game in their life, I turned that shit off then and there and I’d do it again today.
When I want to read or hear about videogames I want it coming from people who give a shit, Hell that’s why I come to Destructoid, you care, that’s what I’d consider “gamer cred”. Nobody ever started at the top but it tends to happen now and then in the world of gaming, people who don’t know what they’re talking about get hired to host internet shows, especially guilty are the sites that just hire wannabe models, they come across as phonies, and I’d imagine that’s why Lissane Pajot hesitated, she was afraid she’d look like a phony, not that I think she is one, because she gave an honest answer.
So yeah, I don’t think we should judge someone on how many achievements they have but I do think how much they care about gaming is a little relevant.
Second, I kind of disagree, partially at least. A few years ago I tried listening to an episode of an all female gaming podcast, I was interested because it was a perspective I hadn’t heard much of at the time, and about ten minutes in one of them of them admitted to having only ever played the DS and another admitted to having never finished a game in their life, I turned that shit off then and there and I’d do it again today.
When I want to read or hear about videogames I want it coming from people who give a shit, Hell that’s why I come to Destructoid, you care, that’s what I’d consider “gamer cred”. Nobody ever started at the top but it tends to happen now and then in the world of gaming, people who don’t know what they’re talking about get hired to host internet shows, especially guilty are the sites that just hire wannabe models, they come across as phonies, and I’d imagine that’s why Lissane Pajot hesitated, she was afraid she’d look like a phony, not that I think she is one, because she gave an honest answer.
So yeah, I don’t think we should judge someone on how many achievements they have but I do think how much they care about gaming is a little relevant.
I've honestly been talking to all my co-workers about games; even the women. I bought one girl two Harvest Moon titles because she said she once enjoyed them. I've always treated every game with the respect it deserves, unless I truly just can't stand said title.
Still, I agree with this wholeheartedly. I'm tired of being an outcast because people think games are for elite members or certain titles aren't "hardcore."
Still, I agree with this wholeheartedly. I'm tired of being an outcast because people think games are for elite members or certain titles aren't "hardcore."
if you spred the net to wide, youll catch a boot.
Doesnt mean boots are fish. Yes,we could include everyone as a gamer, but we cant. Idiot attention whores are not gamers, theyre predators. Maybe were a bit zealous in our defense of gaming, but fuck those people that dont get it. Those same people worship a goddamn fictional story and proclaim it a god.
Doesnt mean boots are fish. Yes,we could include everyone as a gamer, but we cant. Idiot attention whores are not gamers, theyre predators. Maybe were a bit zealous in our defense of gaming, but fuck those people that dont get it. Those same people worship a goddamn fictional story and proclaim it a god.
Sorry but I can't still consider someone who plays Angry Birds and Facebook games a "gamer" lol.
I don't care about the "gamer" level of people though, or if they're a "gamer" at all. There are so many different genres and so many games it's impossible to say which ones one should play to be considered a "proper gamer." Whenever I say I'm a gamer and people ask me if I played the latest Call Of Duty or any other popular shooter and I tell them I'm into RPGs and puzzles they look at me with a betrayed look like a lied to them.
I agree with Holmes though. Just play whatever games tickle your fancy and be happy. There's no reason to antagonize other game genres just because they're not your cup of tea.
I don't care about the "gamer" level of people though, or if they're a "gamer" at all. There are so many different genres and so many games it's impossible to say which ones one should play to be considered a "proper gamer." Whenever I say I'm a gamer and people ask me if I played the latest Call Of Duty or any other popular shooter and I tell them I'm into RPGs and puzzles they look at me with a betrayed look like a lied to them.
I agree with Holmes though. Just play whatever games tickle your fancy and be happy. There's no reason to antagonize other game genres just because they're not your cup of tea.
her job was to co-direct a movie. if she is good at directing, then great. her job had nothing to do with how well she plays video games. her job was co-directing a documentary about other people who make video games.
is everybody retarded except me?
is everybody retarded except me?
@ersatz
Thank you!
Why can't someone, regardless of whether they are a gamer, make a documentary about gaming?
Thank you!
Why can't someone, regardless of whether they are a gamer, make a documentary about gaming?
Gaming is just something you do as a hobby, it seems silly that there's people out there that actually act like there is such a thing as honor to be played from playing a certain game over the other.
There is a difference between becoming someone who refuses to look at game releases objectively, not asking things such as "What does this add to what I've already witnessed?" or "Is this possibly derivative of what I have seen and played?" and those that choose to think a bit about what that game has brought to their mental world.
In the end that's why all games are useful to think about in context to other games. Hence why seeing games that are similar to Enchanted Realms (Farmville maybe, don't use Facebook) have given me more of a dislike of grinding in any game, considering the fact that it can be implemented in any title ever created. You need to know the best and worst of what can be given to you in order to actually understand the worth of what you are playing currently.
Hardcore should mean understanding a complex yet intuitive system, not basing it off of how much time you've played the title. I wouldn't consider myself a Hardcore gamer, yet I always bump up difficulty to the tops and play rouge likes all day. Hardcore is a name from the slow minded, for the slow minded from what I see. I'm here to learn damnit! Not prove that I've got the most time on my hands.
Think about a person playing a fighting game for 200 hours versus a person who spends 200 hours on 10-20 different titles. Which do you think would have more to bring more variety to the table on a day when someone asks, "What do you think would make a game fun and addicting?" Hence reinforcing that Hardcore should be reserved for those that give away their choice to learn many games, over being needlessly specialized at one or few.
On a side note, all games are legitimately games, however I don't call anyone a "Gamer" (Toss away descriptor in my opinion) Likewise I wouldn't flame anyone for enjoying things such as Angry Birds. Either by gameplay style, since I'm pretty sure I pooped my pants playing my first game with a physics engine, or by platform. Considering my tablet has Avadon, Swords and Soldiers, and even the ability to play a third person shooting game (Shadowgun I think), I believe the lack of a controller is more or less a current problem over being an overall problem.
As long as your brain is firing on more cylinders than what you're used to, I'm glad you're actually learning. That's also when we will get great new game ideas. Give yourself a larger tool set to work with, think about what does and doesn't work objectively rather than decide whether its good or not off the drop of a hat.
Geez, TL;DR
Aw well hope someone reads it. ^_^
There is a difference between becoming someone who refuses to look at game releases objectively, not asking things such as "What does this add to what I've already witnessed?" or "Is this possibly derivative of what I have seen and played?" and those that choose to think a bit about what that game has brought to their mental world.
In the end that's why all games are useful to think about in context to other games. Hence why seeing games that are similar to Enchanted Realms (Farmville maybe, don't use Facebook) have given me more of a dislike of grinding in any game, considering the fact that it can be implemented in any title ever created. You need to know the best and worst of what can be given to you in order to actually understand the worth of what you are playing currently.
Hardcore should mean understanding a complex yet intuitive system, not basing it off of how much time you've played the title. I wouldn't consider myself a Hardcore gamer, yet I always bump up difficulty to the tops and play rouge likes all day. Hardcore is a name from the slow minded, for the slow minded from what I see. I'm here to learn damnit! Not prove that I've got the most time on my hands.
Think about a person playing a fighting game for 200 hours versus a person who spends 200 hours on 10-20 different titles. Which do you think would have more to bring more variety to the table on a day when someone asks, "What do you think would make a game fun and addicting?" Hence reinforcing that Hardcore should be reserved for those that give away their choice to learn many games, over being needlessly specialized at one or few.
On a side note, all games are legitimately games, however I don't call anyone a "Gamer" (Toss away descriptor in my opinion) Likewise I wouldn't flame anyone for enjoying things such as Angry Birds. Either by gameplay style, since I'm pretty sure I pooped my pants playing my first game with a physics engine, or by platform. Considering my tablet has Avadon, Swords and Soldiers, and even the ability to play a third person shooting game (Shadowgun I think), I believe the lack of a controller is more or less a current problem over being an overall problem.
As long as your brain is firing on more cylinders than what you're used to, I'm glad you're actually learning. That's also when we will get great new game ideas. Give yourself a larger tool set to work with, think about what does and doesn't work objectively rather than decide whether its good or not off the drop of a hat.
Geez, TL;DR
Aw well hope someone reads it. ^_^
Has there been some sort of revolt against this movie because this lady doesnt play video games? Did someone watch this movie and think it was great, and when they found out the director didnt play games, suddenly think it was crap? Did i totally miss the point of this article and accompanying video that say exactly the same thing when i could have just watched one or read the other and not wasted my time with both? Does anybody above the age of 10 actually think they are better than someone else because they play a lot of video games? From my experience, people who play a lot games are generally pretty psyched to inform the uninformed and suggest games they should try.
this is the first time i disagree, Holmes. obviously, judging gamers on their scores or how well they is dumb but there's also the mater of how much you play. you can't call yourself a gamer if you don't game and there are intricacies within the scene that non-gamers just can't understand. they can pretend they do but it just makes them look awkward and almost judgmental. i see it all the time in gaming and in music scenes. it's just not right.
Its great that she's a good director. However, if she's directing a film about something she isn't really passionate about than it probably won't appeal to people who are passionate about it. Seems more like a general, human interest piece which is fine. But it doesn't do anything for me specifically. I can understand both sides of this issue.
Great to have TtWaV back, even if only for one episode.
Great write up Holmes, I haven't read a big article from you in a while but it seems to me you're getting better as a writer.
Also, on the video, --and I know it's how you've acted on the previous episodes-- your demeanor is so dramatic that it's obvious that you think it's a silly posture to hold, it makes the video + article feel a little redundant, it also seems to make these women a bit uneasy.
I think your argument would be better served if you acted like you believe what you're saying without being too obnoxious or antagonistic (not everyone who think these certain ways are). That way some people might be more interested in the point you are trying to make and be eager to read your article for clarification instead of deeming the issue so silly as to not need any further explanation.
Great write up Holmes, I haven't read a big article from you in a while but it seems to me you're getting better as a writer.
Also, on the video, --and I know it's how you've acted on the previous episodes-- your demeanor is so dramatic that it's obvious that you think it's a silly posture to hold, it makes the video + article feel a little redundant, it also seems to make these women a bit uneasy.
I think your argument would be better served if you acted like you believe what you're saying without being too obnoxious or antagonistic (not everyone who think these certain ways are). That way some people might be more interested in the point you are trying to make and be eager to read your article for clarification instead of deeming the issue so silly as to not need any further explanation.
@holmas
Good article. positive and very well writtenand, with a thoroughly good analogy. you really nailing down the zeitgeist of modern gaming culture and all of its inadequacy.
I just hope that it doesn't fall on too many deaf ears, but judging by some of the comments you've already received, who knows how that will turn out.
keep up the good work, always looking forward to reading more of your features in the future.
Actually whilst I'm here I do have one problem with your article, could you please kindly reform from using the word addicting, and instead use the more common adjective, addictive, using the word addicting can makes the Grammar in your article comes across as sloppy.
but overall good work very good work.
Good article. positive and very well writtenand, with a thoroughly good analogy. you really nailing down the zeitgeist of modern gaming culture and all of its inadequacy.
I just hope that it doesn't fall on too many deaf ears, but judging by some of the comments you've already received, who knows how that will turn out.
keep up the good work, always looking forward to reading more of your features in the future.
Actually whilst I'm here I do have one problem with your article, could you please kindly reform from using the word addicting, and instead use the more common adjective, addictive, using the word addicting can makes the Grammar in your article comes across as sloppy.
but overall good work very good work.
"Also, on the video, --and I know it's how you've acted on the previous episodes-- your demeanor is so dramatic that it's obvious that you think it's a silly posture to hold, it makes the video + article feel a little redundant, it also seems to make these women a bit uneasy.
I think your argument would be better served if you acted like you believe what you're saying without being too obnoxious or antagonistic (not everyone who think these certain ways are). That way some people might be more interested in the point you are trying to make and be eager to read your article for clarification instead of deeming the issue so silly as to not need any further explanation."
This.
I think your argument would be better served if you acted like you believe what you're saying without being too obnoxious or antagonistic (not everyone who think these certain ways are). That way some people might be more interested in the point you are trying to make and be eager to read your article for clarification instead of deeming the issue so silly as to not need any further explanation."
This.
@Scissors
"It all roots down to don't judge someone for the things they like. Judge them for their actions and their attitudes towards others. Simple as that."
That really does sum it up well.
As far as "gamers" and elitism; Holmes hits it pretty good and Chris Carter also brings up some valid points. Whether sports or video games people want to feel like they belong to an exclusive club.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. The only time its bad is when you start to take it too seriously. When you become so entrenched in an opinion there are no alternative opinions that matter.
I used to be like this with other media, like music. I figured you had very poor taste if you didn't listen to similar bands as me. As I was exposed to more stuff though different people I realized its not about what people are listening to but that they are enjoying it and it makes them happy. Things are good in different ways. Who am I to decide whether a song has merit based on my own tastes?
I think people who play video games can have a similar attitude towards others and that's the line we need to start looking at.
"It all roots down to don't judge someone for the things they like. Judge them for their actions and their attitudes towards others. Simple as that."
That really does sum it up well.
As far as "gamers" and elitism; Holmes hits it pretty good and Chris Carter also brings up some valid points. Whether sports or video games people want to feel like they belong to an exclusive club.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. The only time its bad is when you start to take it too seriously. When you become so entrenched in an opinion there are no alternative opinions that matter.
I used to be like this with other media, like music. I figured you had very poor taste if you didn't listen to similar bands as me. As I was exposed to more stuff though different people I realized its not about what people are listening to but that they are enjoying it and it makes them happy. Things are good in different ways. Who am I to decide whether a song has merit based on my own tastes?
I think people who play video games can have a similar attitude towards others and that's the line we need to start looking at.
It's not elitism, and it's not evil. If people want to know if you're a gamer, they're not asking if your human life is worth more than dirt. They just want to know if you have a clue what you're talking about in regards to the minutia of gaming; particularly hardcore experiences that are only experienced once you've gamed for a while, or gotten into some difficult games.
Stop telling people what they are allowed to think. If someone wants to ask if you're a gamer, that's entirely their right, and people are grown up enough to answer the question for themselves without the need for white knighting or shaming.
As far as this woman here, "are you a gamer?" "Well, I wasn't when I started this documentary. I went into it with an open mind, looking at independent gaming with fresh eyes. Over the course of shooting though, I've really grown to appreciate the medium more and I would now say I'm probably a gamer." Was that so hard? Jesus. I don't feel any sympathy for her here. She could say that she's more into ... you know, films, since she's a documentary film maker. Is that a problem? Just be honest.
Unless she has something to hide, then there's no reason to even care about this. It's a very straight ahead question. Just tell the truth.
Stop telling people what they are allowed to think. If someone wants to ask if you're a gamer, that's entirely their right, and people are grown up enough to answer the question for themselves without the need for white knighting or shaming.
As far as this woman here, "are you a gamer?" "Well, I wasn't when I started this documentary. I went into it with an open mind, looking at independent gaming with fresh eyes. Over the course of shooting though, I've really grown to appreciate the medium more and I would now say I'm probably a gamer." Was that so hard? Jesus. I don't feel any sympathy for her here. She could say that she's more into ... you know, films, since she's a documentary film maker. Is that a problem? Just be honest.
Unless she has something to hide, then there's no reason to even care about this. It's a very straight ahead question. Just tell the truth.
@Steven Hansen
"characterized by assumption of dignity or importance. "
I know exactly what it means :)
"characterized by assumption of dignity or importance. "
I know exactly what it means :)
Great ep, Holmes! Also, anyone who has a go at Lisanne is missing the point of her job - she's a director directing a film. When Rockstar were making Red Dead Redemption I'm reasonably sure none of them were cowboys. People can make great films, art, books or whatever by doing the research and being interested enough to explore the subject matter. I read an article a few years ago about a writer who was a hermit from the UK who wrote a story set in Canada in the early 1900's which was lauded by critics for it's authenticity, but she had never been to Canada.
I'll also say, yes, girls get trolled on XBL, but I see them get their asses kissed just as much. In fact, I'd say the barrier for what's considered a hardcore girl gamer is lower than what's needed for a man to be considered hardcore. A girl just has to say she loves Mario to be considered hardcore, mostly due to the projections of male gamers.
I'm so glad I'm not the kind of person that this is directed at or appeals to (essentially the same kind of person this is directed at).
You really should expand the scope of these. I can't tell you how many times people have implied I'm less of a person because I don't watch a particular show, like a particular band, know about a particular book series, or drink a particular beer. Far far more so than my worth has ever been judged as a gamer. And for those people, like the kinds of gamers you're writing about, I just... stop paying attention to them. If they want to live their life constantly judging the worth of themselves versus others they aren't the kind of people I want to associate with.
Of course I'm NOT in a position where I'm trying to market something to those people so that choice is easy, but I think the saying holds true. You see so many PR disasters because the sort of people you're writing about, like the kerfuffle with the Bioware writer, or every time CliffyB opens his mouth.
You really should expand the scope of these. I can't tell you how many times people have implied I'm less of a person because I don't watch a particular show, like a particular band, know about a particular book series, or drink a particular beer. Far far more so than my worth has ever been judged as a gamer. And for those people, like the kinds of gamers you're writing about, I just... stop paying attention to them. If they want to live their life constantly judging the worth of themselves versus others they aren't the kind of people I want to associate with.
Of course I'm NOT in a position where I'm trying to market something to those people so that choice is easy, but I think the saying holds true. You see so many PR disasters because the sort of people you're writing about, like the kerfuffle with the Bioware writer, or every time CliffyB opens his mouth.
Also, the article you're linking to is already dismissing whatever woman Maxim picks for not being a gamer. Isn't that the exact thing you're trying to argue against, that we should embrace Maxim's contest winner because clearly they are showing passion, regardless of credentials or presentation?
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