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Take-Two thinks discs are going to stick around for a bit photo

If you’re one of those “I must have a disc” kind of persons, its time to let out a deep, satisfying exhale. Take-Two’s CEO Ben Feder isn’t buying the speculation that corporeal videogames will be a thing of the past in the near future. He finds DLC interesting and admits that its growing in popularity, but doesn’t believe it will replace discs for a while at least.

Feder shared his thoughts at the BMO Capital Markets presentation this afternoon in New York, saying (according to Kotaku), “I think reports on the death of package goods have been greatly exaggerated. Downloadable content is interesting and will continue to be interesting, not because it’s eclipsing retail but because of the instant feedback.”

The CEO continued, mentioning his bullishness in regards to DLC before adding, “I think package goods are here with us for a long time. I am pretty confident we will be seeing package goods and stores for a long time.”

GameStop is probably a good indicator of the way the videogame market will swing in the future. And while they are prepping to sell digital content, they’re not exactly having a fire sale on discs and emptying shelves. Physical is going to stick around for a bit.


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Fission Mailed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 01:29
Fission Mailed
To this I say: YES, and I hope it stays that way for a long time to come. Why? Well, apart from the fact that I prefer having the actual physical media in my hands (psychological thing more than anything else, if I can't touch it I don't really own it kind of thing) it is also due to the fact that America's high speed internet isn't the norm.

Case in point, down here in South America, the internet is laughable when compared to US/European standards. I'm lucky if I can get a download above 120 KB/s, and that is very late at night with no one using the connection besides me. This is also taking into account the connection doesn't just up and die, which it does more or less often. A PS3 patch takes me half an hour on a good day, upwards of an hour more often. From what I hear this is a lot less in the US.

In conclusion, taking all this into account a full blown game distributed digitally would not be good for the masses that don't have a quality connection. Which is why I will always prefer physical media over digital media.
NubPhiSh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 01:35
NubPhiSh
there will always be a place for disc i love collecting games that i will probably never play again after first few weeks
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 01:40
Drakengard
That's just it. Realistically, only smaller well developed nations have a real shot at going totally DD within the next five years. But even the US will not be able to do it. I'd say at least ten years before the US has the infrastructure to handle the heavy tech aspects of DD and even then it still won't be a done deal as the fact remains that while Japan, the US and Europe will be able to do so, the rest of the world, China, India, etc. where the markets will be growing a lot will not have the access even within ten years, I'd wager.

So in the long term picture, Nintendo's prediction of twenty years before DD is really the norm isn't far fetched. I'd be kidding myself if I saw it happening any sooner than 15 years from now. Games, on size and cost alone, just do not lend themselves well to DD currently. Too many issues, one of which I think people underestimate is piracy. Its bad now for consoles [far worse for PC], but if they go DD, hacked games will be the norm everywhere. I get it that publishers and developers are seeing the piles of extra green they could get by going DD by cutting out the brick and mortar stores, but perhaps those visions of tall, luscious green grass on the other side of the solid wall aren't quite so green and luscious. I think it would be smart to show some prudence and not jump the wall just yet.
bluki's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 01:50
bluki
yep i whole hearted agree with T2, DD for iPhone and other handheld devices is fine and dandy, but i think it cannot translated well to the home consoles, especially when the data size keeps on growing, and in similar situation like Fission Mailed, not every country in the world have access to broadband (and cheap) internet connections.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 02:09
akathatoneguy
I'm not worried about it. There are just way too many barriers to having digital media exclusively and forgoing discs of any kind. Too many people think, "hey, I'm ready for the transition!" and forget that there are many, many people who either aren't ready themselves or would prefer not to give up their physical media.

Every time this kind of issue comes up, it seems like people say, "in a few years this will be the norm." Well, they said that a few years ago, and they will say it a few years from now, and a few years after that, and it still won't have happened on a large scale. People like their physical media, and there is too much of a wide gap between the technology that is accessible to some and what is accessible to the rest.

Huge rural areas of the U.S. are without broadband internet. There are tons of people out there who not only have not bought a single XBLA game, but may not even have moved to the current console generation. The average person likes having a shelf full of DVDs and games, and wouldn't want to get rid of that tangible sign of getting what they paid for. There are just too many barriers for a huge change to happen anytime in the near future.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 02:14
Timmeh
Discs will stay around for as long as publishers fail to push downloads. Currently, most games available on download services are the same price or more expensive than retail, are delayed past the retail release date (or not released digitally), there's no resale value and the fear that it could just disappear one day. There's also all that ludicrous DRM on PC games.

It's a bit of a catch 22 really I suppose; publishers don't want to upset retail by pushing downloads until they have a greater market share, but that isn't going to happen unless they start giving people incentive to look at it. Aside from special offers, there's really very little reason to go to Steam or other services unless you live too far from a store and are too impatient to get games through the mail, or like getting ripped off.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 02:24
The Silent Protagonist
@Fission Even with a physical copy, you don't own the game, you purchased a license from which to play it.

Also, shock and awe that T2 - probably one of the least progressive companies for any download or DD content - would say this.
Alael's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 03:09
Alael
I don't think "discs" are going to be around much longer. Physical media, on the other hand, still have a long way to go. I think games will start to be sold in SD cards, just like some music albums are already being sold. But yeah, the good ol' boxes with manuals are staying for a while.

I believe the next console generation will be the last one to use optical media.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 03:30
Xzyliac
Disc are the future.
crusnchill's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 05:39
crusnchill
@Fission Mailed: I wish I lived in japan. Those guy's over there have 100MB servers, lol. The UK, is in the middle of updating to 20MB servers, why not sinply just update to the full hog? oh well... I feel bad for you buddy.
matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 06:16
matty125
Total agreement with Drakengard.

Movies, on the other hand, I can see those lending themselves to DD before games.
We'll see.
Dinin Vorta's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 07:31
Dinin Vorta
Yeah I can't see discs, or some other more advanced format, being ultimately replaced. We're just too attached to tangible goods in our society. Hell I doubt I'm the only one who has given their DvD/game collection a place of honor in their living room.
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 07:49
koehler83
ISPs will see to it. No one's gonna be able to download 15+GB of data per game and still maintain the current sales levels. It's simply impossible with the data restrictions imposed on consumers by people who couldn't care less about the video game industry's bottom line.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 08:12
lewness
If we've gone fully digital, Atlus would stop giving spoils! Of course they could give "digital" spoils but I don't want a fucking wallpaper.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 08:14
The Silent Protagonist
ISPs are really the only thing standing in the way. Our ISP expand at a snail's pace. I'm enduring Time Warner only because I have to, they seem rather keen on going the way of Comcast and feeding us the same nonsense.
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 08:31
Br0th3rGr1mm
I find it incredible that people that talk about how ISPs are stopping Uber downloads just don't seem to understand that BANDWITH on the internet costs MONEY. The real issue here is that the internet was intially SOLD to consumers as a one cost monthly fee service (possibly with download limits that were present, yet not advertised or as a NO LIMIT deal). The ISPs are now faced with the problem that they either MUST limit download bandwidth, or completely change the consumer pricing model for internet service. The later will not be pretty or well accepted by the market, but I do see it happening at some point in the future.

Is it really so wrong for those that use the most bandwidth to pay more money? I don't think so.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 08:56
Magesx
I still find it silly that people actually believe that "oh, physical media will stop existing in 2 years" and such nonsense.
BrandonUndead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 09:19
BrandonUndead
America will be all mostly digital in 10 years or less.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 09:36
Qraze
physical media will never go away. never!
sqlrob's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 09:37
sqlrob
@The Silent Protagonist

But with no required net connection, it's bordering on impossible for the company to revoke that license or change it. Trivial with digital, even by accident (see: MLB, Sony Connect,PlaysForSure, MW2...)
sprldr's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 12:14
sprldr
Down with physical media.
Kenny Strife's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 13:24
Kenny Strife
@Timmeh

If you think getting a game like TF2 for $2.50 (such as they did during the Halloween sale) is a rip-off, then by all means don't use Steam.

Steam often has lots of ridiculous sales, not to mention the social aspects and lot of other things going for it. If you have a decent connection, and you're a PC gamer, then you really need to look into Steam being blowing it off (pun intended).
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 13:59
Occams electric toothbrush
Physical media will never end. I know this because its my opinion.
teke367's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 14:19
teke367
Physical media won't disappear until memory upgrades become cheaper (or MS just stops gouging), and there is some sort of universally accepted solution to digital rights, such as moving games from old systems to new systems. Then, you will still need about 5-10 years after that for the entire game buying population to get used to it.

People talk about how fast iTunes changed music, but they are forgetting how long mp3s in general were around before that. Also, the fiasco in piracy and DRM that followed Napster etc is a reason why all digital distribution won't happen so quickly again.
Kereth's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2009 15:08
Kereth
I gotta say, normally I love getting the physical copy of something. to hold the case, cartridge, disc, whatever just feels really (extra?) legitimate. But I also really love steam so if more games were sold like that I'd be cool with that too.
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