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Take Two says BioShock will be a franchise: Is this a bad idea? photo

At the mere mention of a BioShock sequel, your average gamer would squeal with glee and dance around wildly. You may ask yourself, why would anyone be against the idea of Metacritic's favorite title going on to become a series? Before I get on to my rant, let me at leat clarify what I'm rambling about: Strauss Zelnick, Chairman of Take Two, announced in a analyst conference call that there are definite plans to turn BioShock into an franchise. He says of an analyst's inquiry about how to keep the titles innovative:

"I would say, probably, roughly an every-two-year schedule would be optimal. And if you look historically that has been largely the case with GTA, and I'd expect we'd apply rougly the same strategy to BioShock because BioShock is shaping up to be a very important franchise," Zelnick said in response to an analyst's query. "I don't want to say more than that about BioShock because I certainly don't want to jinx it, but I feel awfully good about where that's going."

He sounds positive, doesn't he? I envision the bigwigs at Take Two sitting in big leather chairs with visions of cash and world domination dancing about their heads. I'm sure this vision is partially influenced by the idea of the future ruination of my favorite game of this year, so before I enrage the masses, I'll try to keep my delusions objective here.

I feel strongly that BioShock should not be a franchise. I know it would be a tremendous success and make garbage trucks full of money, but the truth of the matter is there are few titles on the market with the integrity to stand alone. 2K's aria to objectivism and moral dilemnas deserves to be remembered as a title that transformed the landscape of shooters permanently. As much as I want to go back to Rapture, I think it's best remembered as it was originally conceived. 

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AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:43
AngelsDontBurn
I wouldn't mind a trilogy.
Spykron's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:47
Spykron
i feel like if a sequel isnt planned from the start, over half time itll be lousy.
madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:47
madninja
But Ken already said there was going to be a second,even before the game came out so this is good.
Jerkbutt47's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:47
Jerkbutt47
wait, what?????
no way, it should just be a glorious stand-alone game.
what are they gonna do next Bioshock 2: Shock Harder???
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:49
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain
HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS

HIGHLIGHT BELOW FOR COMMENT
Didn't you die in the end? With all of the Little Sisters? What the hell?
HIGHLIGHT ABOVE FOR COMMENT
TheReminator420's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:49
TheReminator420
IDIOT THE HIGHLIGHT THINGG DIDNT WORK!!!

Gosh im mad.

For as much as I know now a sequel would jsut seem silly, maybe ill cange my mind once i beat it.
Fleet3000's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:50
Fleet3000
ahh, bioshock is a great game. trying to do it again, prolly not the best idea. GTA can get away with it. coming up with different utopias to destroy, is a BIT different.
itemforty's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:51
itemforty
Yeah, how the hell are they going to make a sequel? Weird.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:51
Necros
GODDAMN IT GENTLE CHIEFMAN CHECK YOUR FUCKING BBCODE
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:51
Necros
GODDAMN IT GENTLE CHIEFMAN CHECK YOUR FUCKING BBCODE
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:51
Magesx
I say a new Bioshock sequel every week.
Alighero's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:51
Alighero
A Bioshock sequel sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard... maybe a spiritual successor... but a direct sequel?... maybe if they did something like System Shock and System Shock 2... but I really feel like they should just make another game with the same engine and atmosphere but new... I don't want another Madden or GTA.
ShawnKelfonne's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:51
ShawnKelfonne
System Shock had a sequel, and the sequel was better. Of course, I don't know how they would do a BioShock 2. Maybe it'll just be another game in the (insertwordhere)Shock series?
madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:53
madninja
He got the ending that said go play the game again. He did not get the real ending.
Spykron's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:55
Spykron
i agree with alighero. a similar game would be great. but anything with the number 2 in the title would probably make me mad.
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:55
Colette Bennett
I feel so relieved knowing I am not alone here.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:56
Necros
@ madninja: Thank you for that reassurance.

In less angry terms, System Shock did get a sequel, but it was a while before they made it. Two years seems too short.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:56
Necros
Apologies for double-posting, not sure what's up.
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:57
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain
See, this is why we need a god damn Edit Button™. I tried to hide the spoiler, and the damn BBCode doesn't accept words as colors.
madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 22:58
madninja
Your welcome Necros. The game is to good to have a crappy ending like that.
I am surprised no one has mentioned (besides me) that when Ken was asked questions about multiplayer he would say in the next game.
Coonskin05's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:01
Coonskin05
@idea of a sequel-


GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:02
GrayFox
Prequel anyone?
Spykron's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:02
Spykron
LAWD ZED!
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:06
taumpytears
Wow, I can't wait for Bioshock:Electric Bugaloo and a Big daddy version of DDR.
cm Katarn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:08
cm Katarn
SPOILERS!!!

SPOILERS!!!

SPOILERS!!!


I actually think a direct sequel would be a great idea. Have the lead character play a KGB agent. Russia orders him into Rapture having just lost one of their submarines. encounters "Jack". Needs plasmids faces same dilemmas. Essence of awesome.
madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:10
madninja
Which ending did you get sunami? The bad or good ending?
Dale North's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:10
Dale North
Best picture choice ever
Tron Knotts's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:10
Tron Knotts
C'mon fellas! Don't be so glum!

A sequel to BioDome could be teh roxxors. Just because most sequels smell doesn't mean a BioShock sequel will smell as well.

If they work hard on the game and don't rest on their current success, they will make Bioshock 2 better than the first.



Also, vote for Emoti-Man.
Namelessted's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:15
Namelessted
One or two more Bioshock games would be awesome. There is so much potential with the world of Rapture that the game didn't get into. Explore a different time frame. Or a return to Rapture years in the future by another person, or a group of people. Maybe by that time Splicers will be smarter and more developed. There is also a huge portion of Rapture that was not explored during Bioshock.

I really want to see more bioshock titles, but I don't know what they mean by "franchise". Do they want 5 more games? that would be too many.
Quisling's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:19
Quisling
I'm not so sure... A Bioshock sequal does have much potential for suckage simply due to the "money wagon" theory, but then again, shouldn't we give the developers a little more credit? Especially after they deliver us an amazingly tasty morsel.

The way I see this is reminiscent of the first time I heard they may be making a Half-Life 2. Though there was probably room for it in the story, it seemed as if they were just milking the cash cow. We saw how that turned out, right? (though there is points of argument for the episodic content, most would agree that at it's essence, HL2 was a good idea).
TheExit's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:20
TheExit
Bioshock is too good to have a sequel. It wouldn't work. Its a Masterpiece on its own. They should focus on something new again. But if they do decide to make a sequel etc, it should be a prequel, maybe where youre Fontaine or something, running the rebellion. That'd be interesting.
Leaderz0rz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:21
Leaderz0rz
While i'm not taking anything away from Bioshock it DOES get repetitive after awhile and there isn't much emphasis on killing things in unique ways as it was hyped. I think a sequel would sell well just based on word of mouth but I don't really believe it will do much more than that.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:22
GrayFox
I've actually got a great idea for a sequel. Let me know what you guys think:



BAIOSHOCK!
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:27
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain
Hey, someone removed the screwed up BBCode post.

LOOKS LIKE MY FAILURE HAS BEEN ERASED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH
lem's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:28
lem
Maybe not a sequel to that particular storyline, but maybe something leading up to the downfall of rapture would be good. it could have points in the story that lead to some of the more stand out audio diaries.
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:33
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain
[color=#Hex Value (APPARENTLY WORDS DON'T WORK)][/color]
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:37
Sharpless
Is it a bad idea? Plain and simple, FUCK NO. Of course not. That is, not unless it sucks. And we have no reason to assume it would suck, if the same people will be working on it.

And I think you're viewing the ending from an incorrect POV, Chief.
kawitchate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:42
kawitchate
i'm not reading the above comments in fear of spoilers (i'm not quite done with teh BioShocks yet) but i've got to chime in and say that HELL YES they should make this a franchise.

i'm not sure what happens to our hero, but no matter his fate, i would love to play as someone else that either already lives in Rapture or is a man looking from the outside in. it could be set right when things turn to shit, or maybe even after the current story (IF Rapture is still together at the end of the game). there's plenty of stories to be told.

just as there's plenty of stories to be told, there's GOT to be plenty of places we haven't seen in Rapture - just look out the glass at the vast city around you! plenty more to see.

oh, and MULTIPLAYER anyone?!? Little Sister vs. Big Daddy ftw!
Putthebottledown's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:43
Putthebottledown
I would really like to see Rapture as the sh*t hit the fan, the splicers going nuts murdering everybody and you are a "atlas" like character trying to save his family or his own ass.
abortion's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:50
abortion
I totally agree. However, that isn't to say I wouldn't want to play more Shock titles, or anything Ken Levine's putting out for that matter.
Oninusar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2007 23:59
Oninusar
the only thing you could do is maybe a Prequal but then i mean, jeez youve basically ended it all right?

then again there is the entire underwater Eco-System that you can play with

something akin to Aquanox... my god i loved that game like no other....
Mr_Snuffle's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 00:01
Mr_Snuffle
Why do most in this thread assume that a sequel would be set underwater around the same time period - you're not giving these guys enough credit. The game is awesome, but still has its flaws, those could be refined. The setting could be moved to any setting and any time period. I like to think that if a sequel was made, they would be moving it to at least a completely different location with a completely different art style.

There is plenty of meat in this here to expand the bio-verse :P
RskimB's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 00:09
RskimB
As others have said it could probably work as long as it isnt a direct sequel.
The Unbiased Voice's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 00:26
The Unbiased Voice
Well I just read the blog, so forgive me ifs its already been said. Anyway, how do you do another when you make it to the surface. What does Cohen restart the crumplin city. Sounds so stupid.
hexfix93's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 01:03
hexfix93
they had better be bringing it to the ps3, or my friends and i will not be buying it...
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 01:16
Mxyzptlk
I suppose you could do it as a prequel or another story taking place at the same time (A la Half Life: Opposing Force). But a new game every two years? Would you kindly not whore out your franchise?
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 01:19
vexed alex
@jerkbutt47

"Bioshock 2: Shock Harder???"

I love you for that awesome name.

I wouldn't like a sequel. I'd like a prequel. Does anyone feel me on this? Find out how Rapture really got the way it is. Be there when it's happening. That sounds sweet, but after the end of Bioshock, I can see how a sequel could be made. I mean, there are still crazies in there, but I don't like the idea of a sequel. It wouldn't seem as epic.
CCGames Mike's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 01:19
CCGames Mike
A sequel would be most desired. A franchise though? I think that's a bit much. Course I draw the line at something like this game I just made up; I call it..SUGARSHOCK!

You are a lone 1st grader, an innocent lad trying to survive the school day while trying to stop the ambitions of Andy Ryan, a 5th grader with dreams of making the swingset a paradise for the 'elite' of the school.

"Isn't every kids entitled to the sweat of his brow? No says your parents. It belongs to no one. No says the teachers. It belongs to the community. No says the teenagers in the junior high. It belongs to us.."

I think you can see where I'm going with this =).

One last thing! Big Daddies would instead be just one kid named 'Big Davey', a simple-minded boy with a pituatary gland disorder that makes him much bigger and stronger than the other students. He also guards the precious 'Little Debbie' snack cakes you must acquire for the sweet sugar within.
Shodan2020's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 01:22
Shodan2020
I would like to see a Bioshock sequel, but on a two year timeframe? No. I'd say it would be best to let Ken and his team make the game at their own pace. There was about a 5 year gap between both System Shock games, and an even bigger time gap between System Shock 2 and Bioshock. I'm worried if Take Two has them squeeze out a sequel in two years that they will totally ruin a potentially awesome trilogy.
Mister Three's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/11/2007 01:26
Mister Three
"Mr. Bubbles, please don't get up!"

I do agree that in a perfect world a great game could be just that, but we all know that isn't true. But in fairness the story that makes this fantastic shooter into the game of the year was, in reality, dreamed up after the game had been in development for a long time. The fact of the matter is that a good game can flourish if the designers really do care about it. I guess the only question about a BioShock is sequel isn't whether it should be made (it is too successful not to be) but will they let them make it right?
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