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For what it's worth I was in my local GAME two days ago and DNF was taking up three spaces on the pre-owned shelves - bearing in mind those shelves go back about 4-5 copies each, that's at least 12 copies sat in one store alone. With most games you rarely see more than one copy in the used section until at least six months have passed.
Profitable it may have been, but gamers sure as shit did not love Duke.
Profitable it may have been, but gamers sure as shit did not love Duke.
@ sebastian
in my local gamestop they have a whole shelf devoted to used copies of fallout new vegas
in my local gamestop they have a whole shelf devoted to used copies of fallout new vegas
I wouldn't say the hype for DNF was manufactured. It silently gathered steam over the course of a decade. The spectacle of its actual release was more intriguing than the game itself.
Why the fuck would u only let us have 2 guns when the game first released gearbox?
I seriously want to find the guy that thought that wad a good idea and punch Jim in his fucking face.
I seriously want to find the guy that thought that wad a good idea and punch Jim in his fucking face.
I like seeing the more self-righteous of the video-game "bloggers" get pissy when they get slighted by developers or publishers. It's like they get a tiny taste of their own vitriol, and it really gets under their skin. It's also interesting to see one person think they can decide when a game is a "disgrace to the industry". Mmm, thinking about massive egos has made me think about Eggo waffles, as I haven't eaten breakfast yet. I want waffles ..
I enjoyed the game, despite the hypocritical hating on duke's attitude and the poor choice of gameplay changes.
I'm sure the sequel will be better, too.
I'm sure the sequel will be better, too.
I got caught up in the whirlwind of manufactured hype, i think! I bought the game before reading any reviews/previews and hated it, played it some more and thought it was alright, then got tired of it before i could finish it and traded it in.
Well I likes it so this Is decent news.
This game was very mixed when it came to customers and reviewers.
Most reviewers hated it, but many of the people I talk to enjoyed it for what it was. Especially when they grabbed it after it went down in price.
This game was very mixed when it came to customers and reviewers.
Most reviewers hated it, but many of the people I talk to enjoyed it for what it was. Especially when they grabbed it after it went down in price.
As one of Duke 3D's biggest fans, I thought this game was an absolute waste of time, and even eliminated some of the fun mechanics that made old school shooters great.
I also absolutely cannot stand Pitchford. With the recent comments against Borderland 2's announcement by the press, he's probably the most annoying voice in the industry right now.
I also absolutely cannot stand Pitchford. With the recent comments against Borderland 2's announcement by the press, he's probably the most annoying voice in the industry right now.
Good. I am glad that The gamble Gearbox took by putting out this game turned out profitable. Fuck the haters, Duke Forever was fun, despite butthurt reviewers who built up the game in their heads and were giving out 1's and 2's for review scores when it didn't end up being Atlantis in a box.
Wait, was the game profitable from a "we changed to gearbox and wiped the slate" point of view or profitable from a "this took 10years to create" point of view?
Because if it was profitable after 10years and the amount of cash sunk into it, then it shows just HOW much publishers are screwing over their customers and how excessive profit margins are in gaming right now.
Because if it was profitable after 10years and the amount of cash sunk into it, then it shows just HOW much publishers are screwing over their customers and how excessive profit margins are in gaming right now.
@tekbunny
I didn't have that much of a issue with it though I won't say I likes it though. Still hoping the PC patch that upped weapon count will hit consoles.
I didn't have that much of a issue with it though I won't say I likes it though. Still hoping the PC patch that upped weapon count will hit consoles.
@mighty Marcos
Considering a new Duke game would more than likely start from scratch at gearbox, I don't see this fiasco many consider happening again.
Considering a new Duke game would more than likely start from scratch at gearbox, I don't see this fiasco many consider happening again.
I bought Enter The Matrix once...
Part of me thinks that this sort of hype is dishonest by nature. That if you promote something you know isn't the best, costs a ton of money, and needs some overall work, you're screwing the system. Ultimately, what you lose is your honesty and connection to your audience.
However, another side of me realizes that as a CEO of the company- What else could he really say? Well, he could have stayed around, hyping up Borderlands 2 (among other Gearbox games). He could have simply admitted that 12 years in development hell was too long to keep focus on a good game. Really, it all comes down to this: Stop trying to bullshit your way through statistics to prove a point, Randy.
Its all- Bleh.
Part of me thinks that this sort of hype is dishonest by nature. That if you promote something you know isn't the best, costs a ton of money, and needs some overall work, you're screwing the system. Ultimately, what you lose is your honesty and connection to your audience.
However, another side of me realizes that as a CEO of the company- What else could he really say? Well, he could have stayed around, hyping up Borderlands 2 (among other Gearbox games). He could have simply admitted that 12 years in development hell was too long to keep focus on a good game. Really, it all comes down to this: Stop trying to bullshit your way through statistics to prove a point, Randy.
Its all- Bleh.
It's not the worst game I've played. Honestly, I thought it was fun. I can't wait to see what Gearbox can do with a ground up Duke Nukem.
Count me in as one of the people who thought it was fun! I don't say a game is shit just because they put shit in that I don't agree with. Love the game for what it is not what you want it to be. :) (at least for me anyways)
@Eternal
He said it was profitable for Take-Two, which means he's only talking about the investment to acquire the rights, and the development cost that went into the game afterwards.
The anger of critics like Sterling toward Take-Two and Gearbox kind of annoys me. This is not a game they built from the ground up. All they did was finish it and publish it, which seemed to be what the fans of Duke Nukem wanted. People just wanted DNF done and finished and out there so the 14 years of waiting could be over. I have no doubt Gearbox could have made a much better Duke Nukem game from scratch, but then it would not have been DNF, and fans would have kept clamoring for it until the end of time. A game this long in development was never going to be amazing, and everyone should have known that. It is what it is.
He said it was profitable for Take-Two, which means he's only talking about the investment to acquire the rights, and the development cost that went into the game afterwards.
The anger of critics like Sterling toward Take-Two and Gearbox kind of annoys me. This is not a game they built from the ground up. All they did was finish it and publish it, which seemed to be what the fans of Duke Nukem wanted. People just wanted DNF done and finished and out there so the 14 years of waiting could be over. I have no doubt Gearbox could have made a much better Duke Nukem game from scratch, but then it would not have been DNF, and fans would have kept clamoring for it until the end of time. A game this long in development was never going to be amazing, and everyone should have known that. It is what it is.
Duke was decently fun and decently funny. It excelled at nothing, but it wasn't a bad game in the least. A solid 5 or 6 out of 10, IMO. Can't wait to see what Gearbox does with the franchise now that they're free to make their own Duke Nukem game! Just play Half-Life: Opposing Force or watch the gameplay demo for Furious Four (has that been released to the public yet?) and tell me that Gearbox won't be able to make a badass straight-up shooter!
Hey, Take-Two?
Don't plan on any Duke Nukem game selling half as well as this one, even if it's better. Quite a few people bought it because it was Duke Nukem Forever and it was finally done without reading a review or checking out the demo. Even if the game had been perfect, you'd have had people who wouldn't come back for a repeat. Duke Nukem Forever was far from perfect.
Let Duke Nukem die on a relative high note. He will never be an industry icon again, and any attempts to force him back into the mainstream probably won't work out nearly as well as you'd like. Investing a huge budget into the game after burning customers with Duke Nukem Forever would be a horrible, horrible mistake.
Don't plan on any Duke Nukem game selling half as well as this one, even if it's better. Quite a few people bought it because it was Duke Nukem Forever and it was finally done without reading a review or checking out the demo. Even if the game had been perfect, you'd have had people who wouldn't come back for a repeat. Duke Nukem Forever was far from perfect.
Let Duke Nukem die on a relative high note. He will never be an industry icon again, and any attempts to force him back into the mainstream probably won't work out nearly as well as you'd like. Investing a huge budget into the game after burning customers with Duke Nukem Forever would be a horrible, horrible mistake.
I'd be curious to see how much DNF actually cost to make (given that it was in development for over a decade) against how much revenue it brought in. It'd be interesting to see if it actually made the money back.
At my Gamestop THE ENTIRE STORE WAS FILLED WITH DNF. There were no other games. Just 20,000 copies of DNF. True story.
@tekbunny
The two-gun thing was answered long ago. George Broussard couldn't figure out how to handle switching between more than two guns using a console controller. Seriously.
Then he decided that because other popular FPS use two-weapon limits, that is the modern standard and it isn't good to be able to carry a lot of weapons at once anymore. That part is my paraphrase of the other half of his justification, but not much of a paraphrase.
The two-gun thing was answered long ago. George Broussard couldn't figure out how to handle switching between more than two guns using a console controller. Seriously.
Then he decided that because other popular FPS use two-weapon limits, that is the modern standard and it isn't good to be able to carry a lot of weapons at once anymore. That part is my paraphrase of the other half of his justification, but not much of a paraphrase.
The same people who buy up Duke don't seem like the type who would look up Metacritic anyways...
so yeah, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! get hype son.
so yeah, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! get hype son.
The game's development over a decade's time surely hasn't been mitigated. Take Two may have hit the black because of their low aquisition cost, but the actual cost of this game's development must be enormous.
@Jim only problem is that us gamers are responsible for much of that "manufactured hype". Maybe not you or me in particular, but it was the gaming community that kept that game alive and pushed along the hype machine on our own for 13 1/2 years. The huge marketing push Duke got was basically a match on the fire.
If ever their was a game I wish I had played the demo of and read the reviews of before buying, this one was it. Never again will I be so blindly optimistic about a long delayed title, no matter how deeply routed in my childhood nostalgia it is. Worst game purchase mistake I've made, ever.
I'm not so sure about gamers liking it. at my local game stores there are more than enough used copies and the new copies have been reduced in price a few times already. I've played the demo and wasn't impressed at all. Looks like one of the most cynical cash grabs I've ever seen in gaming. Really shows what Take Two thinks of their customers!
Just wanna say that if you bought the game based on it's own merits and you thought it would be a fun game, then fine, everyone's got differen taste in things. Who am I to judge? But to anyone who bought the game because of it's "historical value" (and I'm certain many did): You are a fucking tool.
Well, seeing as how I bought the PC version, I actually can't get rid of it. I would have gladly returned the fucker otherwise.
I got Duke Nukem Forever in the mail from Gamefly yesterday. Holy cow, it's bad. I keep jumping over and over again in front of the mirror to watch Duke leap high in the air without moving his arms. Maybe it'll improve the farther I get into the game, but I'm not holding my breath.
So long as this guarantees a follow up, I'm happy. I enjoyed the game. It was hard at points, but so was D3D.
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