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"Level 50 players now participate in their own Warzone bracket and will not be matched with lower-level players."
This could either be absurdly good or bad. Meaning, I often get 10+ minute warzone queues, and they could be epically long now. But on the flipside, at least you won't get steamrolled by 50s with sick expertise ratings and all of their cc skills.
This could either be absurdly good or bad. Meaning, I often get 10+ minute warzone queues, and they could be epically long now. But on the flipside, at least you won't get steamrolled by 50s with sick expertise ratings and all of their cc skills.
Here's an idea, offer up some more planets in the same level ranges so we're not stuck seeing the same shit over and over again as we get to experience your precious fucking story. Also, a droid maker, or playable droids would be nice. Rhodans too... Seriously, why the fuck are the 5 playable races, 4 really since "cyborgs" is bullshit, per class. It's fucking star wars you asses, a massive open universe full of hundreds of worlds and species. There is no excuse for how constricted this game is given the source it's drawing from.
This is what happens when you sell your independence to a big publisher. A once great studio starts churning out rushed shit.
This is what happens when you sell your independence to a big publisher. A once great studio starts churning out rushed shit.
MrFloppyknickers' ranting aside, it would actually be nice to see Bioware think larger than their stories. An MMO shouldn't be on-rails, ever.
People are excusing it because other MMOs do it in later years, but forget to remember that WoW, Everquest, Final Fantasy XI and numbers of others were pretty huge games before they started doing small add-ons rather than expansions. They had entire continents to poke around before going that way.
EA wasted their time here. Instead of giving us a proper KOTOR game, they give us a half-baked MMORPG. Well MORPG, really, the "massive" part is missing.
People are excusing it because other MMOs do it in later years, but forget to remember that WoW, Everquest, Final Fantasy XI and numbers of others were pretty huge games before they started doing small add-ons rather than expansions. They had entire continents to poke around before going that way.
EA wasted their time here. Instead of giving us a proper KOTOR game, they give us a half-baked MMORPG. Well MORPG, really, the "massive" part is missing.
@MrFloppyknickers
Wow... U Mad...
Rushed shit? There hasn't been any game-breaking bugs anywhere I can see. This was a starting point, and a very GOOD stable starting point IMO. Perhaps you should unwind those knickers of yours and remember that this game isn't even a month old. Expansions will come, additions will be made.
Or... maybe you should just stop playing. I have a feeling the game will be just fine without you.
Wow... U Mad...
Rushed shit? There hasn't been any game-breaking bugs anywhere I can see. This was a starting point, and a very GOOD stable starting point IMO. Perhaps you should unwind those knickers of yours and remember that this game isn't even a month old. Expansions will come, additions will be made.
Or... maybe you should just stop playing. I have a feeling the game will be just fine without you.
@Floppy
The one thing I agree with out of your rant is "more planets". Once you hit around 30 the game gets infinitely more boring, because you're doing a few planets 5 levels at a time for ages, and the story slows down (it eases up around 37 and gives you some variety, but 25-37 is excruciating).
Additionally, on a high volume server, I've only seen 50 total people any one of those later planets at any time of day. I've done world PVP a grand total of 2 times. The later worlds all feel barren compared to pretty much every other MMO I've played.
The one thing I agree with out of your rant is "more planets". Once you hit around 30 the game gets infinitely more boring, because you're doing a few planets 5 levels at a time for ages, and the story slows down (it eases up around 37 and gives you some variety, but 25-37 is excruciating).
Additionally, on a high volume server, I've only seen 50 total people any one of those later planets at any time of day. I've done world PVP a grand total of 2 times. The later worlds all feel barren compared to pretty much every other MMO I've played.
@quiotu rushed != bugs. Rushed in this case means a lack of content in a genre defined by having lots of content. You may be willing to ignore the fact there's a fraction of the game here when compared to the norms of the genre, just don't expect everyone else to. We shouldn't have to wait for expansions, likely $30-$40 a pop to get this game to the level of content most MMO's have at release.
You wanna wear blinders go ahead, me i'll keep on seeing the big picture and calling bullshit when I see it.
It's not like this is the first time Bioware has had this problem since being bought. To review, dragon age 2, much less than DA:O, same for ME 2 vs. ME1, which leaves little optimism for ME3. Do keep making those excuses though if it makes you feel better.
You wanna wear blinders go ahead, me i'll keep on seeing the big picture and calling bullshit when I see it.
It's not like this is the first time Bioware has had this problem since being bought. To review, dragon age 2, much less than DA:O, same for ME 2 vs. ME1, which leaves little optimism for ME3. Do keep making those excuses though if it makes you feel better.
@AncientPsychicTandemWarElephant Not really. Several games can have longer patch notes if they want to, they just need to alter more stuff. And most of the stuff here is clutter. Other games could easily just stat "Ability X added to Class Y". In here, they decided to have a section just for Class Y, the say Ability X was added and further go into detail on what ability X does.
All the comments above have their merit. Even the rant.
Star Wars: Galaxies was my first MMO and it is the one MMO that I hold others to in terms of quality. It was the only MMO to ever offer true freedom with their gameplay, "class" system and player housing/economy/politics(you could make a player-town, and become the mayor and run said town) and crafting system(where the best craftables were made by people who used the best farmed materials and even became server-famous because of their weapons/items/armor.
I knew expecting SW:ToR to be even HALF the game SW:G was would be a big mistake but it's hard not to do that when the perfect Star Wars MMO was already made (and then shut down so it's userbase would be forced to adopt a new, lesser model).
I was tired of the Online RPG(I say this because it really ISN'T massively at all) after 10 days. I even bought the $150 version fully expecting to be enthralled. But instead I got a Singleplayer KOTOR masked as a Starwars MMO. Who's to blame here? Bioware? EA? Nope. Me for buying it.
Also, World of Warcraft would never get a FULL patch-notes post on destructoid. And certainly not one by James Sterling. Just sayin'.
Star Wars: Galaxies was my first MMO and it is the one MMO that I hold others to in terms of quality. It was the only MMO to ever offer true freedom with their gameplay, "class" system and player housing/economy/politics(you could make a player-town, and become the mayor and run said town) and crafting system(where the best craftables were made by people who used the best farmed materials and even became server-famous because of their weapons/items/armor.
I knew expecting SW:ToR to be even HALF the game SW:G was would be a big mistake but it's hard not to do that when the perfect Star Wars MMO was already made (and then shut down so it's userbase would be forced to adopt a new, lesser model).
I was tired of the Online RPG(I say this because it really ISN'T massively at all) after 10 days. I even bought the $150 version fully expecting to be enthralled. But instead I got a Singleplayer KOTOR masked as a Starwars MMO. Who's to blame here? Bioware? EA? Nope. Me for buying it.
Also, World of Warcraft would never get a FULL patch-notes post on destructoid. And certainly not one by James Sterling. Just sayin'.
Can Destructoid not post ****ing **** any****? What **** is this with all that? Four letter words are awesome. I still need to pick up Old Republic, but I can totally wait until next year and play it for free.
****, cocks!
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They forgot to fix the problem on Alderaan where if you're using a type 3 male body, you can't get the Datacron in Castle Panteer. Hell even the type 4 brick wall looking bastard can get it, heh heh.
Sith Inq's are still OP as sin, and they get a buff?
Jedi Knights who are basically useless until 25, and they don't get anything?
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?
Jedi Knights who are basically useless until 25, and they don't get anything?
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?
My companion Ashara doesn't seem to gain any affection points from the quests on Taris and beyond. I picked her up on Taris. I assume that the quests are set up with hidden affections reward points per answer, but someone forgot to put on points for companions that you might switch to using. In other words, I'm not using my tank companion, but someone assumed that I would be.
"Also, World of Warcraft would never get a FULL patch-notes post on destructoid. And certainly not one by James Sterling. Just sayin'."
I was thinking the same.
Jim, you could do some coverage of Guild Wars 2. You know, a MMO that isn't doing the same old shit we've seen 10 years ago. But we don't want to start with JURNALIZM when we can copy&paste some fucking patch notes, am I right?
I was thinking the same.
Jim, you could do some coverage of Guild Wars 2. You know, a MMO that isn't doing the same old shit we've seen 10 years ago. But we don't want to start with JURNALIZM when we can copy&paste some fucking patch notes, am I right?
@Enzi
Agreed that more MMOs could be covered at Destructoid, but have you seen every other patch note post on every other website ever? At least Jim commented on the game - do you want him to post a link to the patch notes and force you to go elsewhere?
Also, Guild Wars 2 has fuck all information about it. We get it - it doesn't have a subscription, and every class can heal. It's a beginner's MMO. Will it be good? We have no idea until it comes out. I'm assuming some random intern will be playing the game and provide a preview.
Agreed that more MMOs could be covered at Destructoid, but have you seen every other patch note post on every other website ever? At least Jim commented on the game - do you want him to post a link to the patch notes and force you to go elsewhere?
Also, Guild Wars 2 has fuck all information about it. We get it - it doesn't have a subscription, and every class can heal. It's a beginner's MMO. Will it be good? We have no idea until it comes out. I'm assuming some random intern will be playing the game and provide a preview.
I don't even have a droid companion yet. Why do your companions have combat VO but your guy doesn't? Kinda lame. Ah well its still the best MMO and SW game ever created. Im thinking even Guild Wars 2 won't come close to it. All MMOs are officially SWTOR clones, yes even WoW.
^ Trololo
Also; Anyone remember "That's so MMO!" a Destructoid Original focusing on MMO coverage?
Me neither.
Also; Anyone remember "That's so MMO!" a Destructoid Original focusing on MMO coverage?
Me neither.
@MrFloppyknickers
Are you seriously trying to say that ME1 is better than ME2, or has more content? You lost me there... I'm not sure what your expectations are, but they're clearly not on par with most other gamers.
Let's compare TOR with WoW in the beginning, shall we? WoW had nine classes at launch; TOR has 16 advanced classes. WoW had eight races to choose from; TOR has eight if you omit cyborgs. WoW had four continents with 24 zones; TOR has 4 galaxy regions with 17 planets, 2 fleets, and various stations.
The starting content is fine... if you're bored after only a month, you're playing it wrong.
Are you seriously trying to say that ME1 is better than ME2, or has more content? You lost me there... I'm not sure what your expectations are, but they're clearly not on par with most other gamers.
Let's compare TOR with WoW in the beginning, shall we? WoW had nine classes at launch; TOR has 16 advanced classes. WoW had eight races to choose from; TOR has eight if you omit cyborgs. WoW had four continents with 24 zones; TOR has 4 galaxy regions with 17 planets, 2 fleets, and various stations.
The starting content is fine... if you're bored after only a month, you're playing it wrong.
@Rammstein
I liked that series - it's a shame it was abandoned by the cycle of interns that seem to come and go before you know their name. David Moore kind of packed up in the middle of the night and left in a cold dark day in October.
In other news, it will be nice to get some MMO coverage after Jim gets bored of TOR.
Help us J Ro, you are our only hope.
I liked that series - it's a shame it was abandoned by the cycle of interns that seem to come and go before you know their name. David Moore kind of packed up in the middle of the night and left in a cold dark day in October.
In other news, it will be nice to get some MMO coverage after Jim gets bored of TOR.
Help us J Ro, you are our only hope.
@Magnalon: It failed because it was merely a fleeting attempt at covering a niche within a niche on a gaming site. That and it had an awful name that was based on a meme/hipster in-joke and never did more than cover absolute-basics about the games featured.
I'd take on the responsibility myself but alas, I've no writing experience to speak of(which is why I never applied in the first place) and well, I only actively play WoW, (and now) SWToR and couldn't speak for Guild Wars or any other game(s) unless tasked with doing so..
My theory is that since MMO's are largely a PC Gaming staple and the site's coverage is mostly of the console variety (aside from a few posts) that it's just not very high a priority. It's Samit/Sports all over again!
I'd take on the responsibility myself but alas, I've no writing experience to speak of(which is why I never applied in the first place) and well, I only actively play WoW, (and now) SWToR and couldn't speak for Guild Wars or any other game(s) unless tasked with doing so..
My theory is that since MMO's are largely a PC Gaming staple and the site's coverage is mostly of the console variety (aside from a few posts) that it's just not very high a priority. It's Samit/Sports all over again!
Oh a new operation, that's good.
@Enzi
My feelings about Guild Wars 2 are really conflicted right now. While the game looks good, I'm pretty bored of fantasy MMOs.
@Enzi
My feelings about Guild Wars 2 are really conflicted right now. While the game looks good, I'm pretty bored of fantasy MMOs.
Good lord some of you guys are giant pussies.
This game is fine. If you don't like it, don't fucking play it. Go play SWG. Oh wait, you can't. HAHA!
This game is fine. If you don't like it, don't fucking play it. Go play SWG. Oh wait, you can't. HAHA!
@Lydeck
Oooo so sorry masa! See, isa thought that in this here comment thingamajig, we could talk about things all rational like and not just bend over and hand over our brown eyes to Electronic Arts without question!
There I go thinkin agin!
Oooo so sorry masa! See, isa thought that in this here comment thingamajig, we could talk about things all rational like and not just bend over and hand over our brown eyes to Electronic Arts without question!
There I go thinkin agin!
Can someone tell me WHY Item Modification tables even exist?
I was forced to use one early in the game when I first got my lightsaber, but ever since I've never been required to use one to upgrade any of my items...
I was forced to use one early in the game when I first got my lightsaber, but ever since I've never been required to use one to upgrade any of my items...
@Ghetto
It was a beta thing that they never took out - you used to have to use mod tables. Now you can just CTRL+Right Click.
It was a beta thing that they never took out - you used to have to use mod tables. Now you can just CTRL+Right Click.
Warzones
Level 50 players now participate in their own Warzone bracket and will not be matched with lower-level players.
oh thank GOD!
Level 50 players now participate in their own Warzone bracket and will not be matched with lower-level players.
oh thank GOD!
@MrFloppyknickers
I don't think its all that rushed. When you look at the massive size and try to fathom the enormous amount of variables and systems that need to be created and maintained, it really is quite a feat to behold. The core systems are pretty stable and there is a fair amount of good content. That is a great start, certainly better than many MMOs had to begin with.
The bottom line is the game is fun. I have some things I'd like them to change/correct and Bioware seems on track to do so. As long as I'm having fun and the updates and fixes keep rolling out at a steady rate, then I am good.
If you try to scrutinize any game you can find problems. If you stop having fun, play something else. You can always try again after an update or three.
I don't think its all that rushed. When you look at the massive size and try to fathom the enormous amount of variables and systems that need to be created and maintained, it really is quite a feat to behold. The core systems are pretty stable and there is a fair amount of good content. That is a great start, certainly better than many MMOs had to begin with.
The bottom line is the game is fun. I have some things I'd like them to change/correct and Bioware seems on track to do so. As long as I'm having fun and the updates and fixes keep rolling out at a steady rate, then I am good.
If you try to scrutinize any game you can find problems. If you stop having fun, play something else. You can always try again after an update or three.
This shit was barely worth the free month included in the box.
@quiotu
16 advanced classes? more like 8 advanced classes that are mirrored for the opposing faction. As for the races, each one in WoW had way more customization options. Twilek cant customize their tentacles? stupid. Zabrak/human/cyborg have the same hairstyles, but only humans have facial hair?? pretty fucking dumb.
@quiotu
16 advanced classes? more like 8 advanced classes that are mirrored for the opposing faction. As for the races, each one in WoW had way more customization options. Twilek cant customize their tentacles? stupid. Zabrak/human/cyborg have the same hairstyles, but only humans have facial hair?? pretty fucking dumb.
Too bad I can't play it the support sucks balls for this game. They have no emailed me back at all for two whole months. I wasted my money on this game.
The addition of AA & the 50s only bracket is nice. As far as coverage goes, umm the staff posted their characters a while back so they are actually playing the game. I have had a pretty good time playing the game as well with some real life friends.
@Magnalon
I agree, it'd just be a matter of people reading it. I don't think the MMO articles get all that many views unless they're these TOR ones by Jim. At least, every time I comment in an MMO article it seems like theres only about 2 or 3 other people who care all that much (like I said, aside from these)
Also would need someone to write them that might be able to stick with it.
I personally can write loads about MMO's, past and present, but as my self esteem dictates "why would any one want to read an actual article by me??" I did almost have a gig at WoWInsider as their Elemental Shaman writer over a year ago (one of the EJ guys got picked, which is to say it was no contest, then -I guess- got canned or left it pretty soon after, then there was another writer who was really good but I think that writer left too, I'm not sure).
Either way, its not like its impossible to throw out news bits every day (or every other- either way, MMO news happens everyday, not just a handful of things written every week, like "That's So.." was, or even the very loose DCUO coverage Fraser was giving us for a while) and write the odd editorial or original column, depending on what the sites focus is (Like, WoWInsider was obviously very WoW focused, D-toid wouldn't be focused on just ONE game and wouldn't need a huge amount of content focus for a load of games). Only impossible part, I guess, would be fitting that into your day if your not making it your full time thing.
Idk, if hiring/paying one person isn't an option maybe since MMO's are so community generated, and because theres so many of them, and so little time in a persons life, maybe we can urge D-toid to allow for MMO articles promoted from C-Blogs at a regular basis.. I don't know.. theres a way to solve this gap, it'll just take some doing.
@Smo5000
Twileck headtail customization is limited because the headtails already interfere with the way helmets work on those characters. It'd be a huge mess to screw with them further just people want to wrap them around their neck or something. Theres customization of patterns, and I will decree that they should separate that from the section they've got it jammed into, because limiting one thing just because you want a funky pattern on your tails is kinda stupid.
I agree, it'd just be a matter of people reading it. I don't think the MMO articles get all that many views unless they're these TOR ones by Jim. At least, every time I comment in an MMO article it seems like theres only about 2 or 3 other people who care all that much (like I said, aside from these)
Also would need someone to write them that might be able to stick with it.
I personally can write loads about MMO's, past and present, but as my self esteem dictates "why would any one want to read an actual article by me??" I did almost have a gig at WoWInsider as their Elemental Shaman writer over a year ago (one of the EJ guys got picked, which is to say it was no contest, then -I guess- got canned or left it pretty soon after, then there was another writer who was really good but I think that writer left too, I'm not sure).
Either way, its not like its impossible to throw out news bits every day (or every other- either way, MMO news happens everyday, not just a handful of things written every week, like "That's So.." was, or even the very loose DCUO coverage Fraser was giving us for a while) and write the odd editorial or original column, depending on what the sites focus is (Like, WoWInsider was obviously very WoW focused, D-toid wouldn't be focused on just ONE game and wouldn't need a huge amount of content focus for a load of games). Only impossible part, I guess, would be fitting that into your day if your not making it your full time thing.
Idk, if hiring/paying one person isn't an option maybe since MMO's are so community generated, and because theres so many of them, and so little time in a persons life, maybe we can urge D-toid to allow for MMO articles promoted from C-Blogs at a regular basis.. I don't know.. theres a way to solve this gap, it'll just take some doing.
@Smo5000
Twileck headtail customization is limited because the headtails already interfere with the way helmets work on those characters. It'd be a huge mess to screw with them further just people want to wrap them around their neck or something. Theres customization of patterns, and I will decree that they should separate that from the section they've got it jammed into, because limiting one thing just because you want a funky pattern on your tails is kinda stupid.
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