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I've just read Jim's "Wah wah wah Left 4 dead 2" article with comments and I have to say that some of the comments here and there need to feature in the Fanboy Friday posts. You here that Mr. Ross.
@Black Nexus
That's a pretty weird thing to say because they didn't mention the word can't, I'm pretty sure he said they choose not to. I don't see how people can make a fuss because they don't want to make games for PS3, they are a PC developer, the 360 is pretty much a PC so you can see why they develop for it too.
I will admit though that Valve bring it on themselves, as they seem to give an interview like this every couple of months shouting about how crap it is. Inevitably the fanboys go crazy and everyone has an opinion about wether Valve suck or not.
Heh, maybe they just like the free 'buzz'.
That's a pretty weird thing to say because they didn't mention the word can't, I'm pretty sure he said they choose not to. I don't see how people can make a fuss because they don't want to make games for PS3, they are a PC developer, the 360 is pretty much a PC so you can see why they develop for it too.
I will admit though that Valve bring it on themselves, as they seem to give an interview like this every couple of months shouting about how crap it is. Inevitably the fanboys go crazy and everyone has an opinion about wether Valve suck or not.
Heh, maybe they just like the free 'buzz'.
@Kris S:
Stating that you won't do something because it's too hard is the same thing as saying that you aren't capable.
Stating that you won't do something because it's too hard is the same thing as saying that you aren't capable.
@chromoswing
Really? Beacause everytime the words ps3 exclusive are used those boards light on fire.People to this day are still begging for a valkyria chonicles port, hell the agent isn't even due for realese this year and you got people swearing it will be on the 360.
Really? Beacause everytime the words ps3 exclusive are used those boards light on fire.People to this day are still begging for a valkyria chonicles port, hell the agent isn't even due for realese this year and you got people swearing it will be on the 360.
@aaronf
Not really, I could say it's too hard to get up and go pick my missus up from work, I'm perfectly capable but I'm just too lazy.
In this context though, why would a small team of developers spend all the required time learning how to code for PS3? So every time they make a new PC game they spend a shit-load of time porting it to PS3 and delay it even more? If there business is viable making games for PC and 360 then whats the problem? Why do they have to make PS3 games?
LIke I said they shouldn't keep giving interviews saying it's shit but I'm quite sure they would be capable of learning to code for it they just can't be arsed or see no need for it.
Not really, I could say it's too hard to get up and go pick my missus up from work, I'm perfectly capable but I'm just too lazy.
In this context though, why would a small team of developers spend all the required time learning how to code for PS3? So every time they make a new PC game they spend a shit-load of time porting it to PS3 and delay it even more? If there business is viable making games for PC and 360 then whats the problem? Why do they have to make PS3 games?
LIke I said they shouldn't keep giving interviews saying it's shit but I'm quite sure they would be capable of learning to code for it they just can't be arsed or see no need for it.
@the Golden Avatar
Yeah not to mention that these people some how think their platform of choice suddenly is required to have all the games of the universe because it's their right or something. God if they had said something like "We think the Wii is too hard to develop for" No one would give a shit because nothing EVER comes out on that little white box of flith but when you stop a game coming out for the PS3 the double-standard suddenly comes into play >_>
Yeah not to mention that these people some how think their platform of choice suddenly is required to have all the games of the universe because it's their right or something. God if they had said something like "We think the Wii is too hard to develop for" No one would give a shit because nothing EVER comes out on that little white box of flith but when you stop a game coming out for the PS3 the double-standard suddenly comes into play >_>
so not only is Valve the most overrated, over-hyped game developer in existence, now we know they're one of the laziest too.
Mr. Glider:
"I thought Valve were supposed to be geniuses and pioneers. When did they become a stale Japanese development house circa 2007?"
^ this
Mr. Glider:
"I thought Valve were supposed to be geniuses and pioneers. When did they become a stale Japanese development house circa 2007?"
^ this
No need to get defensive PS3 owners. This is fact that many developers acknowledge. No amount of PS3 flag waving is going to change that, and its not about poor development programming.
Its also a fact, that japanese console makers, deliberately make their systems tough for third parties to develop for and crack (Sony even admitted this much about PS2). I guess MS win big here, that Sony and Nintendo need to pay attention next time, and not treat third parties like they are not important enough, to be consulted on potential system specs.
Its also a fact, that japanese console makers, deliberately make their systems tough for third parties to develop for and crack (Sony even admitted this much about PS2). I guess MS win big here, that Sony and Nintendo need to pay attention next time, and not treat third parties like they are not important enough, to be consulted on potential system specs.
It is because the PS3 is fucking horrible and Valve doesn't want their name ANY of the pieces of fucking shit Sony has put out since the beginning of the PlayStation brand. Sadly, this is unrealistic. Half-Life 1 and The Orange Box were released Sony's pathetic attempt at gaming consoles. Thank god for MicroSoft as a gaming messiah bringing us brilliant, engrossing and wonderful games like Halo, Gears of War,and Fable.
Valve is not a terribly large company. Their resources are either devoted to games like L4D or TF2. Or are devoted to Steam because a digital distribution service takes a lot of manpower to maintain. The Playstation 3 architecture is very complex. Getting the know how on their toolkit takes time. Time they simply don't have.
It's all about choosing your battles and Valve opted for better quality on fewer platforms rather than lesser quality on more platforms.
It's all about choosing your battles and Valve opted for better quality on fewer platforms rather than lesser quality on more platforms.
@ Dan CiTi
No, Dan, no; wtf man? We were on a roll there with sensible points - foxhound aside - but you ruin it with fucking fanboyism. Speaking of, being such a fanboy you must know it's Microsoft and not MicroSoft yeah?
No, Dan, no; wtf man? We were on a roll there with sensible points - foxhound aside - but you ruin it with fucking fanboyism. Speaking of, being such a fanboy you must know it's Microsoft and not MicroSoft yeah?
Idk, I didn't get any "its to hard" vibes from the quote. It sounds like they just enjoy making games and they have an easier time making stuff for 360 and PC. I'm sure they COULD make PS3 stuff if they really wanted to, but they just don't. Idk, saying that they think its just "too hard" doesn't really seem fair to them imho. It sounded more like "Its more work than we want to put in" to me.
People are somehow getting valve can't figure out PS3 architecture from this. Are people here really that dumb?
Also it doesn't make them lazy not developing for PS3 - they just don't see it worth their effort. They'd rather concentrate on PC type development.
Some people here make me feel about being a gamer.
Also it doesn't make them lazy not developing for PS3 - they just don't see it worth their effort. They'd rather concentrate on PC type development.
Some people here make me feel about being a gamer.
@TTop
Those aren't facts as a lot of devs dumped that last year and admited themselves that they just couldn't use the system in the exact same manner, see me 2 posts ago.
But I find it amazing how many people yelled equality when it came to ps3 games going multi plat but when the its time for things to go vice versa that equality talk is nowhere to be seen.if you can't apply your thinking equally to both sides then(yes xero) that's a double standard.
If the 360 pc like structure and dvd format are so easy to develope for then I guess the ps3 complex stucture and blu-ray format though more difficult will start churning out games that the 360 can't dream of right, because though easy to develope for, it is an aged structure(thus why its easy to devlope for,everyone is familiar with it) but has ultamitly run its course and will be replaced as its competitor is using the improved structure,the fate that all tech is destined for correct.and then the cycle will keep repeating itself as we ever improve our tech.
What you just witnessed above was logic, a train of though founded on facts (not opinions)that is applied to everything equally, no ifs,ands,or buts.what you do to one you do equally to the other.
That's why I can't say that many people on this page are fanboys (except the obvious ones), these are people simply searching for the equality and logic a lot of people claim to have but demonstrate little of.
Those aren't facts as a lot of devs dumped that last year and admited themselves that they just couldn't use the system in the exact same manner, see me 2 posts ago.
But I find it amazing how many people yelled equality when it came to ps3 games going multi plat but when the its time for things to go vice versa that equality talk is nowhere to be seen.if you can't apply your thinking equally to both sides then(yes xero) that's a double standard.
If the 360 pc like structure and dvd format are so easy to develope for then I guess the ps3 complex stucture and blu-ray format though more difficult will start churning out games that the 360 can't dream of right, because though easy to develope for, it is an aged structure(thus why its easy to devlope for,everyone is familiar with it) but has ultamitly run its course and will be replaced as its competitor is using the improved structure,the fate that all tech is destined for correct.and then the cycle will keep repeating itself as we ever improve our tech.
What you just witnessed above was logic, a train of though founded on facts (not opinions)that is applied to everything equally, no ifs,ands,or buts.what you do to one you do equally to the other.
That's why I can't say that many people on this page are fanboys (except the obvious ones), these are people simply searching for the equality and logic a lot of people claim to have but demonstrate little of.
...PS3 fanboys...The rarely-occuring, but still worst, of all fanboys.
Saying Valve makes shit games is insulting nearly every (NEARLY) fantastic FPS with a well-planned story since 2004. I'm not a platform fanboy, but I am proud to say I am a Valve-lover. "Waaah, they spend too long making the game" is countered by how many companies (coughActivisioncough) release a sequel/similar game every year to rake in the cash by the bucket, despite them often being crap.
"Waah, the games are shit anyway" is countered by how many games have learned from HL2 since (Is it just me, or does anyone else see the striking similarity between HL2 and Killzone?).
"Waah, they are just 360 faggots" is replied to, as has been said before, by how easy porting a PC game to 360 is. If your asking "Why don't they just try to port it?", while I understand why you would want L4D, last time a Valve game was on PS3 would be the Orange Box, ported by EA very, very badly after a long process (according to my knowledge), and sold significantly less afterwards.
I'd prefer if they did port to the PS3, but Valve are Valve. Kings of PC. Dabblers into the funner arts. Let them do as they do.
Saying Valve makes shit games is insulting nearly every (NEARLY) fantastic FPS with a well-planned story since 2004. I'm not a platform fanboy, but I am proud to say I am a Valve-lover. "Waaah, they spend too long making the game" is countered by how many companies (coughActivisioncough) release a sequel/similar game every year to rake in the cash by the bucket, despite them often being crap.
"Waah, the games are shit anyway" is countered by how many games have learned from HL2 since (Is it just me, or does anyone else see the striking similarity between HL2 and Killzone?).
"Waah, they are just 360 faggots" is replied to, as has been said before, by how easy porting a PC game to 360 is. If your asking "Why don't they just try to port it?", while I understand why you would want L4D, last time a Valve game was on PS3 would be the Orange Box, ported by EA very, very badly after a long process (according to my knowledge), and sold significantly less afterwards.
I'd prefer if they did port to the PS3, but Valve are Valve. Kings of PC. Dabblers into the funner arts. Let them do as they do.
Technical fetish...wow. Wonder how much of a yearly bonus from Microsoft they get for making comments like this.
Also, great journalism Chet.
Also, great journalism Chet.
Don't know if this is helpful but I recall John Carmack (id software) stating the PS3 was hard for them to work with because it doesn't accept low level language code ie: assembly. There was also an issue with a compiler and debugger that are proprietary to Sony's format. It's also been described on hardcoreware.net as "buggy". - Oh no! I feel weird, like my eyes are glazing over... I've become a Valve fanboi?
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm
Wow, I agree with Nicojay2. I hope ALL of you butt-hurt idiots, arguing with one another, get featured in this Friday's "Fanboy Friday" article. I expected better from you guys... Son, I am disappointed.
as a previous owner of a 360 and left 4 dead it was one of my favorite games because of what was incoporated into it 4 player co-op sweet boss zombies and cool levels i have no reason to complain at valve left 4 dead 2 ftw
I donīt give a shit about L4D... itīs repetitive as hell... Valve excuse is ridiculous. Are they not paid to develop games? They can shove their games up their asses, they make it seems like itīs "a privilege" to play their games... So Capcom can make a RE5 multiplataform, Rockstar can give us GTA4 but Valve canīt make a fps to ps3īs?Hahahahah!Go, Valve, go charge ppl for a L4D2 that was supposed to be a DLC...
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