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Valve = :crybaby:
Seriously, as shallow as L4D 1 was, you'd think they'd have the time to learn how to work on the PS3. L4D was a seriously overrated game for the cost, so PS3 owners weren't really missing out.
Seriously, as shallow as L4D 1 was, you'd think they'd have the time to learn how to work on the PS3. L4D was a seriously overrated game for the cost, so PS3 owners weren't really missing out.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you fucking kidding me? How can companies like Free Radical Design develop a game like Haze for the PS3 and Codemasters can put out shit like Leisure Suit Larry: Box Office Bust, but Valve can't put one stinking game on the PS3? Uh oh, here it comes!
To which the interviewer's response should have been: "But everyone else manages..." What a cop out. It's obviously more "straightforward" to make L4D2 than it is to make HL2:Episode 3 as well. Lazy bastards.
Well since people think HL2 is the best game ever, and Valve the best developer ever.. it must be true!
valve is the laziest most over hyped game company ever.
it takes them 10 years to make terrible games. Also who's actually excited for L4d2 its exactly the same as the first one.
it takes them 10 years to make terrible games. Also who's actually excited for L4d2 its exactly the same as the first one.
"They could manage, they just don't want to. What's so hard to understand about that?"
My thoughts exactly. It's quite obvious some fanboys just don't know how to read.
My thoughts exactly. It's quite obvious some fanboys just don't know how to read.
@king zetta
Wow. I have the exact opposite opinion of your generic, avatarless self. Valve and Blizzard are two of the few companies I would trust my babies with. Just about everything they make manages to be fantastic.
Though the PS3 thing is kinda funny.
Wow. I have the exact opposite opinion of your generic, avatarless self. Valve and Blizzard are two of the few companies I would trust my babies with. Just about everything they make manages to be fantastic.
Though the PS3 thing is kinda funny.
Really Golden avatar? What's so hard to understand about a VIDEO GAME company not wanting to make games for a console? Hmmm, that is a tricky one. It's like they're (valve) finding a nice way of saying, "we suck, deal with it." If that works for you, that's completely fine, but to me, that is the laziest, and downright dumbest cop out I've ever heard in my entire life.
To me it reads that they'd rather spend their time creating fun experiences than learning new architecture. It's their prerogative- I don't see what the big deal is.
I don't think it makes them lazy if the want to focus and what they enjoy. It's not worth the effort for them. Maybe one day it will but who cares.
I don't think it makes them lazy if the want to focus and what they enjoy. It's not worth the effort for them. Maybe one day it will but who cares.
@PappaDukes
Do you actually believe anything you just said, or are you really just that bitter? The PS3 platform is obviously a market they are not interested in pursuing. It's a business decision. The obviously don't see it as a worthwhile investment. Should they start developing for the DS and the PSP or the Macintosh or Linux environments? There's money to be made there, but I suppose, using your logic, that they are just too damn lazy to do any such thing.
Do you actually believe anything you just said, or are you really just that bitter? The PS3 platform is obviously a market they are not interested in pursuing. It's a business decision. The obviously don't see it as a worthwhile investment. Should they start developing for the DS and the PSP or the Macintosh or Linux environments? There's money to be made there, but I suppose, using your logic, that they are just too damn lazy to do any such thing.
Uh-oh...Watch all the PS3reaks come out and diss Valve, and pretend Valve make shitty games, and that Valve are a shitty Dev, just becuase Valve hurt their PS3eelings.
No need to be churlish. Valve are awesome, and responsible for some of gamings highest points. Just because you can't get L4D on PS3 does not make it a shitty game, ok? Just like Kz2 not being on Xbox doesn't make that a shitty game.
Valve's decision to not work with the PS3 may come across as a cop-out, indeed may even be a cop-out, but that does not make their body of work shit.
Christ, PS3reaks are so fucking childish, and they have the gall to call the Xbox community immature.
No need to be churlish. Valve are awesome, and responsible for some of gamings highest points. Just because you can't get L4D on PS3 does not make it a shitty game, ok? Just like Kz2 not being on Xbox doesn't make that a shitty game.
Valve's decision to not work with the PS3 may come across as a cop-out, indeed may even be a cop-out, but that does not make their body of work shit.
Christ, PS3reaks are so fucking childish, and they have the gall to call the Xbox community immature.
lol Oh and another thing. Uncharted2, Infamous, Killzon2, GOW3, Heavenly Rain, The Last Guardian > anything Valve creates.
The reason why Valve wants to stay in their comfort zones is because it cost alot of money to develop for a new system thats different from a PC. They want to keep their profit margin high.
The reason why Valve wants to stay in their comfort zones is because it cost alot of money to develop for a new system thats different from a PC. They want to keep their profit margin high.
A: Valve doesn't know how to program for PS3. (unlikely)
B: Valve is LAzy and doesn't want to. (Maybe)
C: MS Pays them money under the table to keep it on a system that is closly tied to a MS product (xbox or operating system.) (Interesting theory but highly influenced by fanboism tendancies)
D: Games from Valve should be played on a PC anyways and if you play them on a console you are either stupid or own a mac(totally acceptable).
B: Valve is LAzy and doesn't want to. (Maybe)
C: MS Pays them money under the table to keep it on a system that is closly tied to a MS product (xbox or operating system.) (Interesting theory but highly influenced by fanboism tendancies)
D: Games from Valve should be played on a PC anyways and if you play them on a console you are either stupid or own a mac(totally acceptable).
@JACK of No Trades
Huh. Only one of those games have you ever played. You're really driving your point home. Good work.
Huh. Only one of those games have you ever played. You're really driving your point home. Good work.
Baaawwww, lets say Valve game are shit despite we being butthurt because they are actually great and will never come to my console of choice. Baaaawwww.
Valve is a PC game developer. One of the few that still profits in its home platform and the only reason they even considered 360 released is because how easy it is to port from one to another, it really is just a few clicks. Sure L4D also sold 2M on the 360 but if it gave them too much trouble porting, they wouldn't do it.
Valve is a PC game developer. One of the few that still profits in its home platform and the only reason they even considered 360 released is because how easy it is to port from one to another, it really is just a few clicks. Sure L4D also sold 2M on the 360 but if it gave them too much trouble porting, they wouldn't do it.
Why is there never a stink when a someone clearly favours the PS3? As far as I'm concerned, Sony's lucky developers are so madly in love with them they take their crap in stride. Does anyone honestly think that the PS3 couldn't possibly have pushed out equal or better graphics with a more powerful conventional architecture? Would've saved Sony's proprietary lovin' ass tons of money, and at the Cell's price they could've gotten something that looked a lot like the 360 but much more powerful. That would mean definitive hardware advantage that could be shown much quicker and would result in a faster development cycle etc. Sony are so busy making something that they can sell as proprietary hardware they consistently make things needlessly complicated for themselves and others. It's either poor, tunnel-vision business, or just really selfish. I understand how poorly "selfish" applies to a company but honestly, the games division needs to stop with proprietary hardware like the Cell. You aren't some general hardware division, you're the games division, and trying to stuff the PS3 with something you intend to sell around rather than giving it something that's best for Playstation is just a bad decision. The Cell's beginning to turn to boon, the 360 isn't blown away yet, and as far as I'm concerned, a processor so much more complicated turning out such marginally improved product after more than 2 and a half years is poorly designed. The Cell is supposed to be a tool and not an obstacle.
Does it make sense to make games for the PS3 if you don't want to bother with the development? Perhaps thats the real question. If enough PS3 owners also have Xbox 360's, then they will simply buy it on the other console. Your basically spending development time for gamers who don't own a PC capable of running the game, which L4D didn't have that crazy of requirements, and also don't own an Xbox 360. Which makes you wonder what they were doing between Xbox1/PS2 era and the release of the PS3 =/
Why waste time catering to such a small population?
Why waste time catering to such a small population?
Surprise, Valve didn't get into the video game business to make money, rather they wanted to make great games!
So 90% of the comments about L4D2 are null.
So 90% of the comments about L4D2 are null.
Meh if they don't want to make games for the PS3 they don't have too oh and
@PappaDukes
Wait so the fact that the games turn out badly is proof that it's NOT hard to work on? Seriously man if a company doesn't want to develop on your choice of console because they think it will turn out badly don't complain. It's better than them lazily make game after game that's obviously worse.
@PappaDukes
Wait so the fact that the games turn out badly is proof that it's NOT hard to work on? Seriously man if a company doesn't want to develop on your choice of console because they think it will turn out badly don't complain. It's better than them lazily make game after game that's obviously worse.
So everyone else on planet earth figured it out but valve can't.
I'd rather they just come out and say they just don't like the PS3 as saying stuff like that just makes them look like idiots.
I'd rather they just come out and say they just don't like the PS3 as saying stuff like that just makes them look like idiots.
@ChaosTeaCup - yeah, I honestly don't know what's up with that. The reason I'm bitching is simply because they make [i]awesome[i] games, and I don't own a 360, or an up-to-date gaming PC, so I'm shit out of luck. So, when you hear a game company that you like say that they don't want to put the effort into developing on a console because it's too hard, it kind of rubs me the wrong way. I would LOVE me some L4D on my PS3, that game looks sweet. But alas, I have to deal with a company that doesn't feel like stepping up their game. Oh well.
If Valve doesn’t want to make games for PS3 then fair play to them, it’s totally their decision.
They make great games and it is a loss for any PS3 owner they take this stance but they do.
Comments on hear about they make shitty games and oh well I have Killzone 2 etc etc prove your own stupidity or more than likely your age.
They make great games and it is a loss for any PS3 owner they take this stance but they do.
Comments on hear about they make shitty games and oh well I have Killzone 2 etc etc prove your own stupidity or more than likely your age.
I don't think anyone truly believes that Valve's excuse is legitimate. What is questionable is the reason they give: that the PS3 architecture is too complex. Surely, when other developers can create decent PS3 games, why shouldn't Valve be able to as well? Valve's comment only serves to make them look inept, which I'm sure many of you would agree, just isn't true.
@Golden avatar - Yes, L4D on my DS and/or PSP would be fucking awesome. Now I'm WAY more bitter than I was before.
This sites userbase has really taken a turn for the worst. It used to just be Sadistic or Lemon trolling about, but PappaDukes is a great example of the trash talking fanboys that have invaded this site.
Im a games developer and the PS3 is a biatch to create effective engines for compared to PC / XBox360. The quotes from valve pretty much sum up my attitude towards the PS3 as well.
Surprise: Valve are fucking stupid.
Of course the PS3 is more complicated to develop for, if you are a PC developer.
Of course the PS3 is more complicated to develop for, if you are a PC developer.
Sucks for people who don't own a 360 or a game-worthy PC, Valve makes good games. It would be nice if Valve would contract a studio to port the games a la The Orange Box, except hire someone who cares and won't just churn it out like EA.
Also, theres a lot of wharrgarble in these comments.
Also, theres a lot of wharrgarble in these comments.
@whowhatwherehow - FINALLY, someone who gets it. The only reason I am complaining is for this EXACT reason. Something is too hard, so we don't want to do it. How is this acceptable for any company to say let alone Valve.
@Oh, and Skribble, I am not a fanboy for sony, trust me. I happened to get my PS3 as a gift, so that's what I play, and I've never been able to afford a 360. If I had the money and time, I would have all current gen consoles.
also, welcome to Destructoid, I love you.
@Oh, and Skribble, I am not a fanboy for sony, trust me. I happened to get my PS3 as a gift, so that's what I play, and I've never been able to afford a 360. If I had the money and time, I would have all current gen consoles.
also, welcome to Destructoid, I love you.
@PappaDukes
"How is this acceptable for any company to say let alone Valve."
Do you live in the real world? Every company does this all the time.
"How is this acceptable for any company to say let alone Valve."
Do you live in the real world? Every company does this all the time.
Ye gods, there truly are some of you that make me weep for the future of humanity. So they can't be arsed to fuck around with what they see as needlessly overcomplicated architecture? It's not a case of 'they can't figure it out' or 'their tech's out of date' or even 'they hate the PS3'. Valve are PRIMARILY PC developers - and always have been. If the PS3's hardware was as close to that groundbase as the 360's, then I've no doubt that they'd be doing stuff for Sony's beastie as well; seeing as it isn't, it makes sense for them to focus on what they know best.
Some of you really need to take the fanboy goggles off for five fucking minutes and THINK about the garbage you're spouting.
Some of you really need to take the fanboy goggles off for five fucking minutes and THINK about the garbage you're spouting.
I thought Valve were supposed to be geniuses and pioneers. When did they become a stale Japanese development house circa 2007?
Valve is a great developer, I love their games (probably all of them) but I think:
1. They're too lazy to learn how to program to the cell platform (which is understable)
2. Microsoft is paying them zillions for the exclusivity (which is more than understandable)
3. They're Xbox 360 Fanboys (wait... wat?)
1. They're too lazy to learn how to program to the cell platform (which is understable)
2. Microsoft is paying them zillions for the exclusivity (which is more than understandable)
3. They're Xbox 360 Fanboys (wait... wat?)
Grrrrr...there are some comments in here that make me want to bite fucking faces off. Paraparaking is the only one I'll namecheck though. Your ignorance is fucking painful, mate. Learn some stuff.
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