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To those who buy Pokemon, is this because of nostalgia? What makes it great when there's so much else to play these days?
@ryanzero Because, despite what a lot of people might say, the Pokemon games are textbook examples of how to make a solid RPG, with just the right amount of customization, addiction, story, and enjoyable characters/gameplay. They're good games, and because they're handheld they're often $20-30 cheaper than AAA console games. It's always a good buy when you get a Pokemon game.
@ryanzero
I buy Pokemon games because they are really fun, maybe it's the nostalgia, but I just have a lot of fun with it.
I buy Pokemon games because they are really fun, maybe it's the nostalgia, but I just have a lot of fun with it.
The new pokemon game is going to blow everyone's minds. :P It's going to be the first pokemon game with 3D pokemon models in full stereoscopic 3D. (just look at the pokedex 3D)
Agree. If nintendo releases a new Pokimon game this year, it would single handedly help them dominate again.
Although if Sony & Capcom have a new Monster Hunter game on Vita's launch, Nintendo's efforts will be somewhat useless.
Although if Sony & Capcom have a new Monster Hunter game on Vita's launch, Nintendo's efforts will be somewhat useless.
@ryanzero
The meta-game is deep and constantly changing. I'm not a super competitive player, but a close match with a buddy can get the heart-rate up.
The meta-game is deep and constantly changing. I'm not a super competitive player, but a close match with a buddy can get the heart-rate up.
@ryanzero
Because it's fun to me and I'll spend my money anyway I want to? Seriously that's kind of an odd question.
Because it's fun to me and I'll spend my money anyway I want to? Seriously that's kind of an odd question.
This is how they'll do it, ready?
* Black and White
* 3D
* Re-release
BW is screaming out for the 3D treatment, I'd probably buy it again just for that.
* Black and White
* 3D
* Re-release
BW is screaming out for the 3D treatment, I'd probably buy it again just for that.
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...... When the fudge will Gamefreak air the banned Team Plasma episode??!! It's been 5 months since the disaster in Japan! Uggghhhh.... It better air soon.
Anyways, this doesn't surprise me. Pokémon is Nintendo's second highest grossing franchise (except for those stupid Wii mini-games!! Those don't count!!), next to Mario. And with Black/White as a supposedly "reboot" of the franchise, Pokémon will keep going on like Mario, still managing to be entertaining and fun even after a bajillion games.
@ryanzero
I guess you must be one of those "popular" kids at school? Tell me, have you played the 4th Gen games? How about Black/White? If not, shut your mouth about this "nostalgia" crap. Which do you think is harder and more time-consuming to be at an expert level; Call of Duty, or Pokémon? If you say Call of Duty, then get out of here. In Pokémon, you have to spend hours trying to find a Pokémon with the correct nature. Then, you have to fight a Pokémon for a few hours to get perfect IVs/EVs. THEN, you fight another Pokémon for hours to increase another of his stats to get perfect IVs/EVs. Then, you have to go breed it to guarantee that your Pokémon is at a competitive level... And rinse and repeat for the other 5 members in your team. It's way more difficult than it sounds.
Dammit. I hate it when people say Pokémon is for kiddies or that they only buy it for nostalgia. They're worse than Fox News. (that makes sense, does it?)
...... When the fudge will Gamefreak air the banned Team Plasma episode??!! It's been 5 months since the disaster in Japan! Uggghhhh.... It better air soon.
Anyways, this doesn't surprise me. Pokémon is Nintendo's second highest grossing franchise (except for those stupid Wii mini-games!! Those don't count!!), next to Mario. And with Black/White as a supposedly "reboot" of the franchise, Pokémon will keep going on like Mario, still managing to be entertaining and fun even after a bajillion games.
@ryanzero
I guess you must be one of those "popular" kids at school? Tell me, have you played the 4th Gen games? How about Black/White? If not, shut your mouth about this "nostalgia" crap. Which do you think is harder and more time-consuming to be at an expert level; Call of Duty, or Pokémon? If you say Call of Duty, then get out of here. In Pokémon, you have to spend hours trying to find a Pokémon with the correct nature. Then, you have to fight a Pokémon for a few hours to get perfect IVs/EVs. THEN, you fight another Pokémon for hours to increase another of his stats to get perfect IVs/EVs. Then, you have to go breed it to guarantee that your Pokémon is at a competitive level... And rinse and repeat for the other 5 members in your team. It's way more difficult than it sounds.
Dammit. I hate it when people say Pokémon is for kiddies or that they only buy it for nostalgia. They're worse than Fox News. (that makes sense, does it?)
@Oishidesu
...That doesn't sound fun at all. Having to grind to find the correct Pokemon isn't challenging, that's called tedium. I'd rather play a game where I can actually have fun while getting better, and where my skill is determined ONLY by my own skill, not how much time I've spent grinding my Pokemon team into the best team. This stuff is why I've never understood why people like Pokemon.
...That doesn't sound fun at all. Having to grind to find the correct Pokemon isn't challenging, that's called tedium. I'd rather play a game where I can actually have fun while getting better, and where my skill is determined ONLY by my own skill, not how much time I've spent grinding my Pokemon team into the best team. This stuff is why I've never understood why people like Pokemon.
I'm deeply connected to the Pokemon community (Be it TCG or video games) so it's only natural to keep up with what's new. The games themselves are extremely fun and haven't gotten stale yet.
Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. The old games (Red, blue, ect) just aren't fun anymore. They aren't as complex and the whole system of putting your Pokemon into the in-game PC takes a million years. I'll never, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever play a pre Ruby/Sapphire game again.
Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. The old games (Red, blue, ect) just aren't fun anymore. They aren't as complex and the whole system of putting your Pokemon into the in-game PC takes a million years. I'll never, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever play a pre Ruby/Sapphire game again.
@Martholomule
That sounds awesome, but I've got one EVEN better:
Remake of Pokemon Gen I - V
*Every handheld Pokemon game remade in crisp 3D, and by 3D I mean textures and character models (though sprites can be turned on and off at will via the options menu).
*Every Pokemon available for capture. with trainers picking their own starter from any region they want.
*All music fully remastered, with voice overs from the VA of the Pokemon anime (Japanese and English both avilable)
*All of this on one cartridge
I'll call it Pokemon Generations
You're welcome Nintendo.
That sounds awesome, but I've got one EVEN better:
Remake of Pokemon Gen I - V
*Every handheld Pokemon game remade in crisp 3D, and by 3D I mean textures and character models (though sprites can be turned on and off at will via the options menu).
*Every Pokemon available for capture. with trainers picking their own starter from any region they want.
*All music fully remastered, with voice overs from the VA of the Pokemon anime (Japanese and English both avilable)
*All of this on one cartridge
I'll call it Pokemon Generations
You're welcome Nintendo.
@Oishidesu
Chill.
Well that's great, pokemon is an all arround awesome franchise and I want it to keep its place in this industry, so many great moments I had with the games or the anime when I was a wee lad.
Chill.
Well that's great, pokemon is an all arround awesome franchise and I want it to keep its place in this industry, so many great moments I had with the games or the anime when I was a wee lad.
Pokemon might be the most important thing in my life. Not even joking.
And I'm a 21 year old totally non-virgin with a social life.
LET'S GET IT DONE, NO REGRETS!
And I'm a 21 year old totally non-virgin with a social life.
LET'S GET IT DONE, NO REGRETS!
@Taku128
Well, yeah it's tedium at first. Everything is tedium, boring, and whatnot the first time you do it. However, once you finally get a team you like, and compete, you get a feeling of accomplishment. Try playing competitively, or at least a match with a friend, using the Pokémons you trained. It's an exciting feeling when you actually win, and you want to do it again.
@Noir and those Squirtle lovers
Pfffttt... It's all about Hydreigon!! Who doesn't love that Snake-a blossomed head-Dragon-Hydra-six winged like Giratina-head shaped arms-weird feet-tank thing of a Pokémon??
.... Nazis and Gingers, that's who!!
http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/hydreigon.jpg
Well, yeah it's tedium at first. Everything is tedium, boring, and whatnot the first time you do it. However, once you finally get a team you like, and compete, you get a feeling of accomplishment. Try playing competitively, or at least a match with a friend, using the Pokémons you trained. It's an exciting feeling when you actually win, and you want to do it again.
@Noir and those Squirtle lovers
Pfffttt... It's all about Hydreigon!! Who doesn't love that Snake-a blossomed head-Dragon-Hydra-six winged like Giratina-head shaped arms-weird feet-tank thing of a Pokémon??
.... Nazis and Gingers, that's who!!
http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/hydreigon.jpg
@Taku128 Sounds like you don't like any type of RPG. Bitch Please, by your logic we shouldn't play more than 1 level of Call of Duty because by the time you finish that 1 level you've already played the whole series.
Oishidesu, you do realize what you described are some of the worst elements of Pokémon, right? This is from a fan. Those are tedious, boring parts, I dunno why you would say that's why its fun.
@Oishidesu
You should have to work to get to the fun part, games should be fun from the get-go. I don't understand this design philosophy behind Japanese games. I already have to work during other aspects of my life, when I get a chance to have some free-time and want to play a video game I want to have fun, not start working even more.
@Gaidenrider
Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I don't like most JRPGs, but there's a few I do enjoy. The JRPGs I like don't force you to grind to get good enough to progress, you level up enough naturally as you play the game. And I have no idea how that Call of Duty comment fits in with my post. Also thanks for calling me a bitch just because I stated my opinion in a completely polite manner, and that opinion didn't match up with yours.
You should have to work to get to the fun part, games should be fun from the get-go. I don't understand this design philosophy behind Japanese games. I already have to work during other aspects of my life, when I get a chance to have some free-time and want to play a video game I want to have fun, not start working even more.
@Gaidenrider
Your comment makes absolutely no sense. I don't like most JRPGs, but there's a few I do enjoy. The JRPGs I like don't force you to grind to get good enough to progress, you level up enough naturally as you play the game. And I have no idea how that Call of Duty comment fits in with my post. Also thanks for calling me a bitch just because I stated my opinion in a completely polite manner, and that opinion didn't match up with yours.
*you SHOULDN'T have to work to get to the fun part
Destructoid really needs to let you edit your posts.
Destructoid really needs to let you edit your posts.
Taku128
I personally don't play competitively (yet) so I don't do all that tedious stuff. You don't have to work hard to be good at Pokemon. It's fun and doesn't require too much work. Why else would it be do popular with kids?
I personally don't play competitively (yet) so I don't do all that tedious stuff. You don't have to work hard to be good at Pokemon. It's fun and doesn't require too much work. Why else would it be do popular with kids?
@Taku128: I don't know, I never hit the grind once in B/W. I leveled up naturally from there. There so much opportunity to battle wild Pokemon/trainers that you should only be grinding a team if you're building from scratch for competitive play.
With type/move matching paying a much larger role in the game than just leveling up, you could potentially beat the REAL end game boss using a bunch of Level 1 Pokemon and some serious thought in move usage.
With type/move matching paying a much larger role in the game than just leveling up, you could potentially beat the REAL end game boss using a bunch of Level 1 Pokemon and some serious thought in move usage.
The grinding is only really a problem for comp play, the new exp system fixes any exp grinding you would have to do for the main story.
@Taku128
That's the beauty of Pokemon, its as deep as you want it to be
Looking for something simple? balance out what types of pokemon will be in your team "water, electric, physic etc" and what moveset would be best for strategy.
Looking for something complex and in depth? Go into Natures of pokemon, EV training and stat boosting
This wide level of appeal is something I haven't seen in any other RPG; hell, any other GAME.
That's the beauty of Pokemon, its as deep as you want it to be
Looking for something simple? balance out what types of pokemon will be in your team "water, electric, physic etc" and what moveset would be best for strategy.
Looking for something complex and in depth? Go into Natures of pokemon, EV training and stat boosting
This wide level of appeal is something I haven't seen in any other RPG; hell, any other GAME.
Remember when everyone said that Pokemon was just a fad and it would past in like a year?
That was back in '98. Thirteen years later, still selling boatloads.
That was back in '98. Thirteen years later, still selling boatloads.
Holy crap. Someone asks a simple question and it's like a pokemon call to arms. Talk about overly defensive.
Pokemon, ah, no one ever gets sick of it. I still play Ruby ( almost caught them all ) but that's just me.
Still waiting for Gray/Clear. We all know it's coming and we all know it'll get the 3DS back on track.
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@Namodacranks
You never played Pokémon before??!! There's things in life that you should and should not do when you are a gamer... And one of those "do"s is play Poké motherf@cking mon!!!!!!! *rages* You call yourself a gamer, yet you've never played Pokémon??!! Arrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! *ends rage and hyperventilates*
@Saiyaman1
Something tells me that while you are a fan of Pokémon, you aren't really in the "competitive" scene. Tell me, can you REALLY win a competitive match against a player with all UBER Pokémons (Garchomp, Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Kyogre, Blissey, DW Espeon, etc) with normal trained Pokémons? I mean, REALLY? You either play for fun, or you play against people who do not have IV/EV/perfect Pokémons. The ONLY way to win against a real UBER or OU competitive match is if you IV/EV train your Pokémon, then breed them to get their egg moves and retain their parents' stats, while also keeping the nature. If you say otherwise, then you are lying.
@Taku128
I did not say you need to do EV/IV to have fun in Pokémon. All I mean was that Pokémon is not as simple as most people say it is, and that to really enter the competitive scene and win, you need to use that complicated method to get the strongest Pokémon possible. You can still play Pokémon without perfect Pokémons, but if you play online against someone with a scarfed Garchomp, Blissey, or whatever, and you have a normal, say Hydreigon, and it's not equipped with an item, then don't expect to win at all.
You know what, go to Serebii or any other Pokémon forums, and reply that Pokémon training is so easy a caveman can do it, and you'll probably get a bajillion hatemails in just 0.1 of a second.
You never played Pokémon before??!! There's things in life that you should and should not do when you are a gamer... And one of those "do"s is play Poké motherf@cking mon!!!!!!! *rages* You call yourself a gamer, yet you've never played Pokémon??!! Arrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! *ends rage and hyperventilates*
@Saiyaman1
Something tells me that while you are a fan of Pokémon, you aren't really in the "competitive" scene. Tell me, can you REALLY win a competitive match against a player with all UBER Pokémons (Garchomp, Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Kyogre, Blissey, DW Espeon, etc) with normal trained Pokémons? I mean, REALLY? You either play for fun, or you play against people who do not have IV/EV/perfect Pokémons. The ONLY way to win against a real UBER or OU competitive match is if you IV/EV train your Pokémon, then breed them to get their egg moves and retain their parents' stats, while also keeping the nature. If you say otherwise, then you are lying.
@Taku128
I did not say you need to do EV/IV to have fun in Pokémon. All I mean was that Pokémon is not as simple as most people say it is, and that to really enter the competitive scene and win, you need to use that complicated method to get the strongest Pokémon possible. You can still play Pokémon without perfect Pokémons, but if you play online against someone with a scarfed Garchomp, Blissey, or whatever, and you have a normal, say Hydreigon, and it's not equipped with an item, then don't expect to win at all.
You know what, go to Serebii or any other Pokémon forums, and reply that Pokémon training is so easy a caveman can do it, and you'll probably get a bajillion hatemails in just 0.1 of a second.
@Oishidesu
You do realize you're playing a nearly completely different game from basically the rest of us, right? You're playing competitive Pokemon, that's totally acceptable...you grind, you train, you fight others, you win, you make friends, participate in a commmunity, and feel accomplished.
You are nerding out right now and mentioning stuff most of us have little clue or interest. Most of us play Pokemon very simply: Start quest, catch Pokemon along the way,beat gym leaders, beat elite four, catch more pokemon if addicted, trade pokemon if friends want to.
So chill out dude, this is not a Pokeforum we are casuals here in terms of Pokemon. I could easily rant along about Street Fighter hardcore-ness in the competitive scene but I don't, especially here. Keep the inner elitism in a humble place.
You do realize you're playing a nearly completely different game from basically the rest of us, right? You're playing competitive Pokemon, that's totally acceptable...you grind, you train, you fight others, you win, you make friends, participate in a commmunity, and feel accomplished.
You are nerding out right now and mentioning stuff most of us have little clue or interest. Most of us play Pokemon very simply: Start quest, catch Pokemon along the way,beat gym leaders, beat elite four, catch more pokemon if addicted, trade pokemon if friends want to.
So chill out dude, this is not a Pokeforum we are casuals here in terms of Pokemon. I could easily rant along about Street Fighter hardcore-ness in the competitive scene but I don't, especially here. Keep the inner elitism in a humble place.
I'm going to be completely honest right now. If they released the inevitable Pokemon Grey on the 3DS with 3D upgrades and all that other good stuff, I'd buy a 3DS right then and there, no deliberation whatsoever.
It's a very fun RPG, huge popularity aside. I always get one from each generation and always have fun. There are very few game franchises that can claim almost every single game they made was fun (I'm only talking about the RPG Pokemon, not all the spin offs and such)
@kingsharkboi
That's just what I mean. That's the only thing non-hardcore pokemon fans do. They just do the basic catch, battle gyms, collect, etc., and that's it. They're done. Then, when a new news is posted about Pokémon, those same people are like "what? People still play Pokémon? What's so special about them? You just catch and fight. It's all about CoD and Rock Band and League of Legends!!". They don't even try to dig deep into Pokémon to see just how complicated and complex it really is.
That's just what I mean. That's the only thing non-hardcore pokemon fans do. They just do the basic catch, battle gyms, collect, etc., and that's it. They're done. Then, when a new news is posted about Pokémon, those same people are like "what? People still play Pokémon? What's so special about them? You just catch and fight. It's all about CoD and Rock Band and League of Legends!!". They don't even try to dig deep into Pokémon to see just how complicated and complex it really is.
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