But see the comment is a satire on gamer's incessant need to analyze any quote from enigmatic developers to hear what they want to hear and... uh... the evolving nature of... um... DLC... and... oh, fuck it...

WOW...

first post and it's already a lil baby crying. :\

If you wanna play it... get a wii. Simple as that.

Magnalon's a regular sized baby around these parts, thank you very much! avatarless! ,p

Given this correction (alleged, sure, whatever), it seems he really believes in the Nintendo platforms, for whatever reason. I'll admit, its a strange move, indeed.

Then again, there was that one guy that says that gamers don't know a thing about sales and that a not-so-high selling game can still be a reasonable candidate for a sequel.

Where ever he puts it, I'll play it.

@All who somehow think that I, of all people, haven't beaten NMH

Played it for a day at a friends house: done and dusted, it had flair, but overall, it was "alright".

I don't see how in the world I could be seen as "crying about it". I'm simply stating there's more action fans that have PS3s and 360s than Wiis. There's a reason most major action titles (Bayonetta, etc) don't come out on the Wii, and they all sell better than any of Suda 51s creations.

Magnalon speaks the truth. It's bizarre that he does not want to bring an action game to consoles that would net him awesome bank.

Also, DAT ... ASS?

That people continually believe that NMH would sell any better on the other platforms fills me nothing but utter amazement. Killer7 sold jack shit, and that was on TWO platforms. Grasshopper games have always been niche titles made on shoestring budgets. NMH was the company's best-selling game EVER. There is no proof whatsoever, none, NONE, NONE, that such a game would achieve greater success on the HD platforms. Tell me, which niche Japanese game has broken the low-sales barrier on those platforms? Valkyria Chronicles? Disgaea 3? Cross Edge? BlazBlue? Please, point those big blockbusters out for me! The PlayStation 2 had big hitters like Devil May Cry and still God Hand crashed and burned.

Please. Stop.

MegaStryke makes a good point though. Niche is niche.

and I'll add, out of left field, with or without multipleyer.

@ Revolution -

Well, you can rest easy knowing that even if it does come to the PS3, there is NO WAY it would have superior motion controls on that platform.

No motion plus means that given the option to make the motion controls superior, Suda would prefer to keep the old gameplay style.

@ Magnalon -

Actually, there are a lot of reasons to not put this
game on an HD system. For example, Microsoft requires that all Xbox games be in HD. And the PS3 costs twice as much than the Xbox 360 to develop for, which itself costs twice as much as the Wii. If there was ever a system where niche games have the potential to warrent a sequel, it is the Wii, because you only need to sell 25-50% as many copies to make a profit.

"So is Desperate Struggle going to PS3 or not?"

No, its a Wii exclusive. He never said that NMH2 was going anywhere else. It was miss-reported that future games in the series would go to the 360/PS3, but that wasn't even true. So the NMH series is staying on Nintendo's current, and future platforms!

Jesus, I was not expecting such outcries. Sheesh. Calm down.

@Mega
It's just a shame that Suda51 is so stubborn, and Wii lovers won't admit that it's possible to sell niche titles on other platforms.

Comparing Blazblue and Disgaea 3 is completely off the target, considering fighting games and SRPGs are MUCH more niche than action-adventure, which is one of the most appealing genres available. But, I'll humor you.

If VG Chartz is accurate, Blazblue 360+PS3 sales have almost ALREADY outsold NMH.

Again, using VG Chartz, to answer your question, Valkryia Chronicles has sold more than No More Heroes.

I think you're really underselling No More Heroes' appeal here, and conveniently using the "it didn't sell well because it's niche" argument, when it was really the Wii's fault as a console. NO action game sells very well on the Wii outside of first party titles (read: rabid Nintendo fans): I wonder why?

To answer another one of your questions: which other Japanese games broke those barriers? Devil May Cry 4, Metal Gear Solid 4 (if you count that, I suppose), Resident Evil 5, and Blue Dragon, just off the top of my head. Fuck, even Heavenly Sword (not Japanese, but had 1/10 of the buzz and critical acclaim that NMH did, and was destroyed at launch) sold more than NMH.

I also still don't get why you're throwing a super niche "cross-over" dream game that was critically destroyed as an example (Cross Edge). Your sample titles make no sense, yet I was still able to show that their sales surpass NMH's.

Another case and point: Demon's Souls. WAY more niche than NMH, yet its finding success even before the localization.

"NMH was the company's best-selling game EVER"
Shit sales is better than nearly no sales, I suppose.

The only valid argument I see here is fistful and Hcapt's "development cost" contentions.

@Holmes
If you ever meet him (and you seem like you have a great chance!), a good question to ask would be:

"Have you calculated the research and development costs in terms of porting No More Heroes to the PS3/360, and what sales/profit margin would you project?"

@Magnalon

The whole HD requirement was recently dropped, actually. Now would be a great time to port. DO EET SUDA!

Suda 51 is trying to get a point across even if it costs him. He just sees the wii as the best console to do it.

Suda works on weird, weird ways. In this one, though, I think he's probably right. Grasshoper isn't a huge developer and they seem to like working with limited budget. It does give their games a certain flair that I think wouldn't be there if they actually had the time and resources to flesh out their games. It's almost like those short-budget movies that, while not flashy, grow on you. Being niche is their identity and I think that they would have a very tough time selling those games on other consoles. Don't get me wrong, I love my Wii, but as far as competition goes, Grasshopper is only facing Nintendo itself. The PS3 and the 360 have too much of an extensive library with REALLY good titles that cater to both the artsy and the less brainy gamer.

While I agree with Magnalon with some points, I trully believe NMH would have a hell of a tougher time on the PS360. I'd like to propose the following question: Do you really think the videogaeme press would've praised it as much if it was on those consoles. I'd bet that the vast majority of NMH sales were influenced by the press and its praises, and those would've been significantly smaller should it had been on the other consoles, as far as I can see.

That's it Sudsa just confermed that the wii 2 is comming out next year!

@ MegaStryke- Blue Dragon niche? A game with characters designed by the creator of Dragon Ball, the most successful action cartoon in history?

NO WAY JOSE!

@ Magnalon- Just for the record, No More Heroes didn't get great reviews from everybody. Game Informer gave it a 6.5, and went on to bash the game for being to violent and disturbing.

A lot of people read Game Informer, and I bet many of them didn't buy NMH because of that review.

@Holmes

Blue Dragon was definitely niche outside of Japan! It was the freshman output of a brand new company. The game is a relic of old RPG conventions. The names behind the project didn't exactly make everyone jump out of their seat. Seriously, how many people even know who Sakaguchi is? Besides, the game was advertised as the return of the dream team that brought the world Chrono Trigger which, as I remember, was not well received the first time around... or the second... or the third. Japan was a billion times more interested in it than us.

@ Shinigamidude

South East Asia is a world different than North America.

Believe it or not, I don't recall ever hearing of chrono cross before just now. And I'm only familiar with Blue Dragon because I believe there was a poorly dubbed english cartoon, followed by a video game I had little interest in because it because it looked like a licensed game from the cartoon (having heard of the cartoon first). I hadn't heard of Chrono trigger either until just a few years ago.

Americans love being space cowboys. That's why Halo and Star Trek are so popular.

I would love this game on the 360

@ Arkhon - That Star Trek is a Western set in space has been well established. That was the concept behind it when it was created. That is how it was pitched when it was aired. It was made by Roddenberry, a man with extensive experience in writing westerns for television. Have a wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series

Though truth be told, it might be more accurate to say that Americans want to be cowboys more than care about space. Not the type of cowboy that shoots bad guys in the desert, but the kind of cowboy that is a lone gunman in a hostile, lawless land. Generally good, but no interest in abiding by law; and even breaking it outright when it's either the right thing to do or in his best interest. Against authority, against the crook, and against the corperation, with only a few close companions, his skill, and his wits against a cold harsh world. And the unrivaled freedom to go wherever the wind takes him. That is the American cowboy, and that is the type of thing that appeals to Americans.

(NOTE: The American Cowboy often but not always gets the girl)

Played NMH on my friend's Wii for a week. Was ok, but a bit disappointing once you got over the art direction and SUDA style, to be honest.