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Suda 51: 'Middle audience' crucial to Japan game biz photo

The Japanese games industry is suffering from a bit of a slump at the moment, but one man has the answer. Eccentric creator of weird games, Suda 51, believe that there is a "middle audience" between the so-called casual and so-called hardcore demographic, and it'll be these people that shall prove crucial in reviving the market.

"Well, there are a lot of core gamers, and a lot of lighter users playing on platforms such as the DS -- but there's nothing in-between," he claims. "I think it's going to be very important for games to be created for that middle audience, and that will help bring the market back on-track.

"I was actually here early last year for the promotion of the first No More Heroes, and I realised that the UK, France and Germany are the mature markets, while Italy and Spain are still growing. There are still new gamers there and they want to know more -- so there are good opportunities.

"In Japan there are still core gamers, but since Nintendo released the Wii and DS a lot of people who never played games before are now playing. Those people that are playing the different types of games are growing, which is a good thing for the Japanese market."

I can't help but find it amusing that the man who created Killer 7 is talking about appealing to wider audiences. That said, I don't quite get what he's saying here. You either play games or you don't. I really don't think trying to pigeonhole a third set of gamers, when the casual/hardcore divide is blinkered enough, will help matters in the long run. Can you really get a new demographic between the "core" and the "casual."

What would that be? Someone who plays games a little bit but secretly hates them? Seems like more unnecessary audience splintering to me.








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Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 09:55
Chronic Logic
Middle audience? What the hell is he talking about? So he's aiming for the not-so-dedicated-gamers-but-not-casual-gamers? Jeez, and here I thought there was only one kind of gamer, the people who play games for fun.

Oh and yes, I'm still alive.
Endstiem's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 10:21
Endstiem
Great header image.

Killer 7 completely mindfucked me. I have yet to get past the carnival stage. The thought of Suda 51 + Carnival frightens me, to be honest.
sinny's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 10:41
sinny
MAYBE?



NEVER!
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 10:41
Tubatic
Interesting how about:

Casual = Carnival Games, the family new market gamer
Core = Shadow of the Colossus/Metal Gear, so into games its probably unhealthy

So middle would be:

Middle = Call of Duty, Madden, isn't scurred of a controller, but could care fuckall about considering gaming as more than some fun shit. Probably doesn't know the name of any developer or exec in the industry

mmm? enh?
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 10:44
Tubatic
lol @ sinny

I love the Giant Bombcast.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 10:53
Tony Ponce
Tubatic's got it. My brother would fall squarely in this category. He doesn't play often, but when he does he'll play whatever catches his eye. If it's Metal Gear, okay. If it's some old Genesis games he borrowed from his friend, sure. He even got really into the first Disgaea. He just hasn't turned it into a world philosophy or anything.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:13
Hiltz
I think Suda 51 just referring to the expanded audience and how they seem to be graduating from mini-games and titles like Wii Sports to games that for a lack of a better word, have more "meat" on their bones and tend to be a bit more complex. They're obviously the gamer audience that has greatly helped expand the video game market first with the DS and then with the Wii.

I consider myself to be a core gamer while my brother is a casual gamer. My brother likes playing core games but he doesn't play or buy nearly as many titles as I do. My sister is part of the expanded audience. While she has never bought any video game, she does ocassionally play playing Wii Sports, Boom Blox, Super Mario Brothers, and Mario Kart. In fact, she's played more videos games this generation than any other.
peachboy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:14
peachboy
all join hands and turn to page 1 from the dtoid hymnal:
"stfuajpg"
Harris Hatsworth's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:18
Harris Hatsworth
Thinking of Europe as a legitimate market and not pandering to casual gamers? Suda 51 truly is insane.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:20
Hiltz
Suda 51 would probably take that as a compliment.
VenatioDecorus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:39
VenatioDecorus
I think Suda knows exactly what he's talking about. I would classify myself as a middle ground gamer. Since the casual gaming boom, there is an even larger audience available to move onto more "advanced" games. For example, if you have someone who got into gaming playing the DS, they might be more likely to eventually want to try out the Wii if they get some extra cash.
BulletMagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:43
BulletMagnet
While I agree to an extent that spending a lot of time categorizing different types of gamers is something of a fool's errand, saying that the only two groups are "those who play and those who don't" goes too far in the other direction and over-simplifies the situation. If nothing else, I'd hope that what Suda's saying could lead to greater prominence for a design philosophy which avoids both intimidating less frequent gamers and insulting the intelligence of more experienced ones.
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:44
PEICanada7
Not everything has to be either black, or white Jim. You don't have to love, and play video games all the time to appreciate them. People can play occasionally, and still like video games. Just because someone doesn't buy 5 games a month, doesn't mean they have to be classified as a casual gamer, who only plays a game once every few months. There can be a middle ground.

I think I would fall into that middle ground, at this point in my life. Not everyone can devote their whole life to gaming. I use to in my late teens/early 20's, but now that I'm almost 30, I just don't have the time to buy and play a new game, or two, every single month anymore. Does that automatically make me a casual gamer? No, it means I still love to play games, but I also have a busy life to maintain as well.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:45
Gen Eric Gui
Tubatic said what I was thinking already. I know a lot of people who fit that description.
Danielzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:47
Danielzilla
I'm personally confused as to how a man that wears a luchadore mask and has a number in his name can have a statement he made be questioned by anyone. The man is obviously a genius. This is not sarcasm, I love Suda 51.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 11:54
Tony Ponce
@Danielzilla

Well, the smart ones are typically the most eccentric.
BrunoDeckard's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 12:05
BrunoDeckard
I'll talk a little about my past as a gamer, because I think it matches with what Suda said.

When I was younger, I played a good deal of videogames, and spent quite a time with them. I delved REALLY deep into RPGs, RPG-actions and platformers though, rarely playing other genres. I barely knew about the existence of videogame-dedicated sites. Like it was said before, the only devs I've heard of were Miyamoto and Kojima. I picked games out of random, without information on it, except the genres (it was all I needed to know). I paid no homage to any console or industry or developer. I wasn't casual, but I wasn't as hardcore as I could have been either.

Now, I read Destructoid everyday, I visit Metacritic something close to once a month, I know much more devs and executives, I play any genre that comes to me except sports (I like a good plot, and sports don't offer that. I play a bit of racing though). I praise the PS3 and the DS, and a few third parties who support them. Today I am truly hardcore, like you guys who are reading this.

I believe Suda was talking about guys who are like I was in the past.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 12:13
HiddenAHB
Thanks for defining the term Tubatic.
Coming to think of it, most of my friends are the "Middle Audience", but i'm trying to bring a couple of them to the Hardcore side >=).

PS: About the growing market, why don't you come to Brazil Suda51? Here is the fucking wasteland of videogame.
Mini-Boss's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 12:41
Mini-Boss
Its true, one of the main problems in the gaming community is this belief that casual gamers don't count and "hardcore" games are the only ones that matter. There has always been a "middle ground" of gamers and now that we have more options of games to play the middle will keep expanding. The game industry needs to keep that balance in mind to stay successful in the future.
Rapsodas's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 12:41
Rapsodas
I think he is referring to the idea of making games that are kinda "bridge" titles for people who want deeper experience without them being to complicated. I think.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 12:42
GoldenGamerXero
That's the stupidest thing I've ev- Wait? It's SUDA51? Oh it's ok then!
Ikey Heyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 13:26
Ikey Heyman
"Someone who plays games a little bit but secretly hates them?" you mean /v/?
Matthew Blake's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/23/2009 14:31
Matthew Blake
He's talking about games for people within the two extremes. Y'know, the people who play more games than "casuals" (yech), but not as many as the "hardcore" (double yech). Frankly, that's not such a bad idea.
Touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/24/2009 08:36
Touch
From a business point of view, what he's saying makes a lot of sense - plenty of companies have tripled their income simply by hiring a consultant to tailor their product to a particular demographic.
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