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Suda 51: 'Middle audience' crucial to Japan game biz photo

The Japanese games industry is suffering from a bit of a slump at the moment, but one man has the answer. Eccentric creator of weird games, Suda 51, believe that there is a "middle audience" between the so-called casual and so-called hardcore demographic, and it'll be these people that shall prove crucial in reviving the market.

"Well, there are a lot of core gamers, and a lot of lighter users playing on platforms such as the DS -- but there's nothing in-between," he claims. "I think it's going to be very important for games to be created for that middle audience, and that will help bring the market back on-track.

"I was actually here early last year for the promotion of the first No More Heroes, and I realised that the UK, France and Germany are the mature markets, while Italy and Spain are still growing. There are still new gamers there and they want to know more -- so there are good opportunities.

"In Japan there are still core gamers, but since Nintendo released the Wii and DS a lot of people who never played games before are now playing. Those people that are playing the different types of games are growing, which is a good thing for the Japanese market."

I can't help but find it amusing that the man who created Killer 7 is talking about appealing to wider audiences. That said, I don't quite get what he's saying here. You either play games or you don't. I really don't think trying to pigeonhole a third set of gamers, when the casual/hardcore divide is blinkered enough, will help matters in the long run. Can you really get a new demographic between the "core" and the "casual."

What would that be? Someone who plays games a little bit but secretly hates them? Seems like more unnecessary audience splintering to me.


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Chronic Logic's Avatar
Chronic Logic at 06/23/2009 09:55
Middle audience? What the hell is he talking about? So he's aiming for the not-so-dedicated-gamers-but-not-casual-gamers? Jeez, and here I thought there was only one kind of gamer, the people who play games for fun.

Oh and yes, I'm still alive.
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Endstiem at 06/23/2009 10:21
Great header image.

Killer 7 completely mindfucked me. I have yet to get past the carnival stage. The thought of Suda 51 + Carnival frightens me, to be honest.
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sinny at 06/23/2009 10:41
MAYBE?



NEVER!
Tubatic's Avatar
Tubatic at 06/23/2009 10:41
Interesting how about:

Casual = Carnival Games, the family new market gamer
Core = Shadow of the Colossus/Metal Gear, so into games its probably unhealthy

So middle would be:

Middle = Call of Duty, Madden, isn't scurred of a controller, but could care fuckall about considering gaming as more than some fun shit. Probably doesn't know the name of any developer or exec in the industry

mmm? enh?
Tubatic's Avatar
Tubatic at 06/23/2009 10:44
lol @ sinny

I love the Giant Bombcast.
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megaStryke at 06/23/2009 10:53
Tubatic's got it. My brother would fall squarely in this category. He doesn't play often, but when he does he'll play whatever catches his eye. If it's Metal Gear, okay. If it's some old Genesis games he borrowed from his friend, sure. He even got really into the first Disgaea. He just hasn't turned it into a world philosophy or anything.
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Hiltz at 06/23/2009 11:13
I think Suda 51 just referring to the expanded audience and how they seem to be graduating from mini-games and titles like Wii Sports to games that for a lack of a better word, have more "meat" on their bones and tend to be a bit more complex. They're obviously the gamer audience that has greatly helped expand the video game market first with the DS and then with the Wii.

I consider myself to be a core gamer while my brother is a casual gamer. My brother likes playing core games but he doesn't play or buy nearly as many titles as I do. My sister is part of the expanded audience. While she has never bought any video game, she does ocassionally play playing Wii Sports, Boom Blox, Super Mario Brothers, and Mario Kart. In fact, she's played more videos games this generation than any other.
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peachboy at 06/23/2009 11:14
all join hands and turn to page 1 from the dtoid hymnal:
"stfuajpg"
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Harris Hatsworth at 06/23/2009 11:18
Thinking of Europe as a legitimate market and not pandering to casual gamers? Suda 51 truly is insane.
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Hiltz at 06/23/2009 11:20
Suda 51 would probably take that as a compliment.
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VenatioDecorus at 06/23/2009 11:39
I think Suda knows exactly what he's talking about. I would classify myself as a middle ground gamer. Since the casual gaming boom, there is an even larger audience available to move onto more "advanced" games. For example, if you have someone who got into gaming playing the DS, they might be more likely to eventually want to try out the Wii if they get some extra cash.
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BulletMagnet at 06/23/2009 11:43
While I agree to an extent that spending a lot of time categorizing different types of gamers is something of a fool's errand, saying that the only two groups are "those who play and those who don't" goes too far in the other direction and over-simplifies the situation. If nothing else, I'd hope that what Suda's saying could lead to greater prominence for a design philosophy which avoids both intimidating less frequent gamers and insulting the intelligence of more experienced ones.
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PEICanada7 at 06/23/2009 11:44
Not everything has to be either black, or white Jim. You don't have to love, and play video games all the time to appreciate them. People can play occasionally, and still like video games. Just because someone doesn't buy 5 games a month, doesn't mean they have to be classified as a casual gamer, who only plays a game once every few months. There can be a middle ground.

I think I would fall into that middle ground, at this point in my life. Not everyone can devote their whole life to gaming. I use to in my late teens/early 20's, but now that I'm almost 30, I just don't have the time to buy and play a new game, or two, every single month anymore. Does that automatically make me a casual gamer? No, it means I still love to play games, but I also have a busy life to maintain as well.
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Gen Eric Gui at 06/23/2009 11:45
Tubatic said what I was thinking already. I know a lot of people who fit that description.
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Danielzilla at 06/23/2009 11:47
I'm personally confused as to how a man that wears a luchadore mask and has a number in his name can have a statement he made be questioned by anyone. The man is obviously a genius. This is not sarcasm, I love Suda 51.
megaStryke's Avatar
megaStryke at 06/23/2009 11:54
@Danielzilla

Well, the smart ones are typically the most eccentric.
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BrunoDeckard at 06/23/2009 12:05
I'll talk a little about my past as a gamer, because I think it matches with what Suda said.

When I was younger, I played a good deal of videogames, and spent quite a time with them. I delved REALLY deep into RPGs, RPG-actions and platformers though, rarely playing other genres. I barely knew about the existence of videogame-dedicated sites. Like it was said before, the only devs I've heard of were Miyamoto and Kojima. I picked games out of random, without information on it, except the genres (it was all I needed to know). I paid no homage to any console or industry or developer. I wasn't casual, but I wasn't as hardcore as I could have been either.

Now, I read Destructoid everyday, I visit Metacritic something close to once a month, I know much more devs and executives, I play any genre that comes to me except sports (I like a good plot, and sports don't offer that. I play a bit of racing though). I praise the PS3 and the DS, and a few third parties who support them. Today I am truly hardcore, like you guys who are reading this.

I believe Suda was talking about guys who are like I was in the past.
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HiddenAHB at 06/23/2009 12:13
Thanks for defining the term Tubatic.
Coming to think of it, most of my friends are the "Middle Audience", but i'm trying to bring a couple of them to the Hardcore side >=).

PS: About the growing market, why don't you come to Brazil Suda51? Here is the fucking wasteland of videogame.
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Mini-Boss at 06/23/2009 12:41
Its true, one of the main problems in the gaming community is this belief that casual gamers don't count and "hardcore" games are the only ones that matter. There has always been a "middle ground" of gamers and now that we have more options of games to play the middle will keep expanding. The game industry needs to keep that balance in mind to stay successful in the future.
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Rapsodas at 06/23/2009 12:41
I think he is referring to the idea of making games that are kinda "bridge" titles for people who want deeper experience without them being to complicated. I think.
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GoldenGamerXero at 06/23/2009 12:42
That's the stupidest thing I've ev- Wait? It's SUDA51? Oh it's ok then!
Ikey Heyman's Avatar
Ikey Heyman at 06/23/2009 13:26
"Someone who plays games a little bit but secretly hates them?" you mean /v/?
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Matthew Blake at 06/23/2009 14:31
He's talking about games for people within the two extremes. Y'know, the people who play more games than "casuals" (yech), but not as many as the "hardcore" (double yech). Frankly, that's not such a bad idea.
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Touch at 06/24/2009 08:36
From a business point of view, what he's saying makes a lot of sense - plenty of companies have tripled their income simply by hiring a consultant to tailor their product to a particular demographic.
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