I really liked the article, apart from the genital essentialism
I'd like to point out a few things on a slightly humorous note.
Sexes can not be equal. You can give birth, and I can not.
Life is not fair. It never was, and most likely never will. And walking on ancient Tamriel lands won't make it any easier for a female character. With games set in modern times, I can agree though.
Crying men on the battlefield don't live long enough. Marcus ain't a frakin' rookie crybaby either, nor Gears a soap opera.
Also what @Magnalon said
If you played as a female, and another female didn't get promoted ingame because you were...how is that sexism? ;)
If cliche jokes are this easily getting into you, how is that going to help you portray a strong woman image you so crave?
And no one likes dark elves.
Really? Skyrim? That's the game you use to "study" sexism? Not Duke Nukem Forever? It needs to be a game that will provoke enough people due to its universal good will people feel toward it. How left-of-center of you.
Many first time female players don't know that you can create a female avatar in Skyrim or ME? They probably also don't know that you can equip different weapons and level up skills. That's not sexism, that's fictional first-time gamers learning the ropes.
The #1 mod for Skyrim is a nudity mod because most people ARE dogshit. Many guys are very on board with female equality and the kind of people who would download the mod and find it to be "totally awesome" are shitheads who will remain shitheads until the day they die.
This was a long, contrived walk to the well to prove some kind of point maybe.
And people say Jim is a troll.
Let's share my sandwich and talk about games :)
Give me a break.
It's funny you mention it, but men actually do complain about that. Case in point: every Final Fantasy game and JRPG ever. What do "guy's guys" complain about in JRPGs? Male characters they disapprove of. Beefcake, in other words. We just have a different language to complain about it.
If the lack of deep female protaganists is an indication of anything it is not of sexism in game design but of unequal representation in the design and writing parts of the industry.
The majority of protaganists designers create will ALWAYS be those that they relate to in some fashion or fantasize about being. That's not sexism, that's a fact of human psychology. While there are more male designers/writers, there has to be more male protaganists.
The quest line stories are generic fantasy cliches with obvious twists, transparent characters (often due to the voice actors unfortunately) and the endings often put the player character in a place of 'unreasonable' power with an influence that only extends as far as the NPCs related to the questline/in the area. The Mages College, The Companions and the aforementioned Thieves Guild are good examples.
Even the loading screen quips often lack any context as they use names of things you may never have even seen or heard of early in the game. It's a lost opportunity to allow the player a better understanding of a world their character would already have to some extent.
Your confusion at the actions of some of the characters is not unwarranted. Skyrim is a great game, but it is not well written. It's unlikely a game of it's scope ever will be.
If you were looking for a catalyst to buck the trend of male-dominated writing in the industry, you might want to look elsewhere.
Uhhh no it's not.
That's like having a Jock Football player who loves D&D.
It happens sure, but it's not a huge number by any means.
The whole modification point is stupid as well for already mentioned reasons. How does what a bunch of (probably) male gamers download have anything to do with the game itself? Answer: it doesn't. My girlfriend has the nude male mod, and you can have that too if you want.
I don't see what the BFD is.
I see no reason why big established game companies need to change their game philosophies to show better equality. Sometimes games simply are not about that (most of the time) and honestly the macho big manly men character is fairly sexist towards men as well... but i guess since men dominate the industry it must not be....
Anyways what needs to be done is to support and encourage OTHER PEOPLE to make games for the demographics that are under represented. It is a wide open industry these days more than ever before, so instead of pointing at games and blaming them for not showing equality (as if that was their message) how about getting people together to make ACTUALLY MAKE GAMES that show these themes that some people want?
Don't waste your time telling people how things should be, go out and do it, and if you aren't in a position to do it then try and help others that can. Actions people, actions.
I mean it's not like women could ever possibly create a game by themselves so it would be exactly the way they want it to be, right? That'd actually require leadership and skill and knowledge and all those things that you demand fictional female characters to have and that apparently real-life women don't actually have.
But then again, we know what happens when women are allowed to create things: they end up with Twilight. You know that one? That's the favorite book/movie series of millions of women about a helpless, useless woman who falls in love with cartoonish hunky/heroic male monsters. Apparently, that's what women want to see.
TL;DR version: stop complaining about the lack of heroic female characters, stop complaining about men not writing enough heroic female characters, and start creating those heroic female characters on your own. This is the new millennium, you're allowed to do such things, you know.
If women want games about feminism and gender politics then they should create them themselves, its not Betheda's responsibility or duty to play gender politics, only making fun games.
If women want games about feminism and gender politics then they should create them themselves, its not Betheda's responsibility or duty to play gender politics, nor is it in their monetary interest, only making fun games is in their interests, again, as it should be.
Citing figures from the ESA. Sophie Prell obviously supports SOPA/PIPA!
Okay... I can agree with this to an extent, although it's clear how misinformed this person is...
*Sees the word PATRIARCHY*
Well, fuck this dribble.
Jesus, all people do is bitch about stupid shit like this now. Oh wait, only white women in first world countries do this stupid shit, along with all the perpetually aggrieved 'minorities'. She dosen't have anything else better to do than bitch about representation, in a fucking videogame no less. We made progress with porn, right? Now guys can just go online instead of giving a shit. Should also we make penises optional?
I don't care how laggy/glitchy/buggy Bethesda's next one is, I'll buy one for me and for all my siblings and cousins if it gets this bitch off again. Jesus, also cocks.
I get your points...kind of. Im stoned so that took me at least 3 reads to fully grasp the points you were making, and i agree, to a degree. Im not going to go into that degree, but well done. I think.
I find it hard to believe the actual breakdown is almost 50/50
2. You didn't play this game there are plenty of strong females in it.
3. This is fantasy with a medieval setting why would you speak to a queen if there is a king? let me just go back in time and introduce gender equality in that setting.
4. You don't speak for all women, and the women I know who I've spoke to and have played it have no problem with it as well.
I think this is because people struggle to escape the gender stereotypes in their head. If they set out to write a "strong, assertive female heroine", what does that look like? But, instead, they should focus on writing just a "strong, assertive character", and gender will fall where it may. That isn't to say that all games should consist of neutered characters where gender has absolutely no impact on anything but the physical appearance (and physical appearance has no impact on anything else)... but that's the sort of concept that would be needed on a wide scale to push the medium forward. It would provide a base for others to draw inspiration. Games that allow you to toggle the gender of the protagonist are a good start, but it will take a lot more to extend that sort of thinking throughout an entire game world. (And, to be fair, I suppose it doesn't help when a game is being modelled after a time period and culture that wasn't very open to gender equality in the first place.)
That aside, I was sort of shocked by the "I Suck" T-shirt story. In my family, both of my little sisters were gamers growing up, and it never occurred to any of us that someone would be worse at games just because they were a girl (in fact, my littlest sister can kick anyone's butt at just about any fighting game you throw at her). This reminds me a bit of when I hear older generations make comments about "multiculturalism" and realize that they still don't get it; growing up around here, your race or cultural background didn't matter to the point where no one even thought about it. That didn't mean everyone was exactly the same, but it wasn't a big deal. Paying so much attention to our differences is what leads to inequality. When we get to the point where it stops being remarkable to have games with strong female leaders and role models (and it becomes just a "so what?"), that's when we'll know we've arrived.
Wow ok, maybe was that there's not that many women who play videogames?
And seriously wtf? She's raging because the second in command of the thieves guild is a a woman? Really? Really!?
If miss Prell is convinced there's a male conspiracy in the gaming industry, start your own damn business.
Plenty of games have incredible strong female characters, who are a driving force behind their universe. Shall I list a few?
Cortana (Halo-Halo 4), Ellie (Dead Space 2), Kendra (Dead Space), Faith (Mirror's Edge), Anya/Sam (Gears of War-Gears of War 3), Fem Shep (Mass Effect - Mass Effect 3), Ashley (Mass Effect - Mass Effect 3), Liara (Mass Effect - Mass Effect 3), Yellow 8 (Ace Combat 4: Shattered Skies), Azura (Oblivion-Skyrim), Yuna (FFX), Rinoa (FFVIII).
There are literally hundreds more I could list, but for the sake of my fingers and the thread length I will refrain. It's not so much the games, but the gamers who are juvenile about females in terms of games and gaming. As of now this just sounds like something my ex would say while on her period.
Look, I'm in the game industry myself. I'm 25, male. I'm currently working on co-developing a video game with a badass female designer with a game staring a very strong female character... and we created her as female from the ground up because we, and our design team, realized that there IS a damn annoying problem with gender roles, not just in general but ESPECIALLY in the video game industry.
The first goal is to make a great game, but our secondary goal is take the stereotypes that girls and girl gamers deal with and punch them square in the face. I hope the game pans out to follow that vision, because if it does, it's going to make a LOT of people talk, and it'll probably infuriate a fair number of people who don't want to see a woman presented in a way that is clearly superior to the men in the story. Some people just aren't secure enough in their own skin to accept something like that.
But I'm willing to deal with some heat if it means doing something about it and making a good game in the process.
A medieval based game, just ponder that for a bit...
What about the issues of shallow roleplay options, poor writing, limited roleplay freedom, glitches, shallow gameplay, and poor balancing?
I don't know if you read the whole thing or even play Skyrim. But if it was the case you wouldn't say that....
The Silent Protagonist made some very good points, but I'm going to try coming at this from a different angle.
I like to view most issues like this as a pendulum that swings back and forth, on one end we have sexism, and on the other end we have....more sexism.
It just changes which gender is being put beneath at any given time. And in the process of defending one we cannot allow ourselves to push the pendulum to the other side, that would make us just as "bad" as those whose opinions we are trying to change.
But I think if you are trying to attack sexism (towards females) you may want to find examples of men actually attempting to put women down, but while you do it, do now allow yourself to put men down either.
Gears of War 3, for example, can be a go-to example for sexism towards men AND women. Their male characters are drastically unrealistic and should be treated as such, men don't get offended that the characters in that game are super men that can tear concrete apart with their hands. Men know that is unrealistic and the thought that someone thinks that is how we're "supposed" to be doesn't even enter the arena.
If I were to make you see through a male-eyed version of this argument, it would be a guy hearing some girl squealing about god damn Edward Cullen and calling that sexist. No it's not sexist, it's just a feminine fantasy that a woman dreamed up. Just like Beyonetta is some fantasy chick that a dude dreamed up. That does NOT make it sexist.
Also, citing user-made mods as a critique for a game's gender bias is in absurdly bad form.
Bottom line: you can't force people to conform to what you think characters should "be like".
My questions to you are: what exactly would make you happy in a game? How do you measure gender bias in a game? Is it just the fact that games with gender options are generally marketed with a generic male character that bothers you? Why is that? How is that complaint NOT sexist? Simply because it is about men and not women?
Please take a very very close look at your own sexism before calling others out on it.
That said, I am appalled that your brothers treated you that way as a child. It was wrong and I hope they see their mistakes.
No, you see it ceases to be an "opinion" when the author chooses to use words in the English language containing possessives and finalities. Using phrases such as "this is", "this is why it is like this", "It is this way" ETC without proper sourcing or reference just make you sound like an ass and people who do that need to be called out.
Or else we will sit in the same situation the author is defending, a pool of ignorance and a world where anyone can spout anything.
But
On the path to your goal, don't forget that sexism goes both ways.
So you're working on another cooking mama? No, men excel their too. Must be a form of laundry/ironing hero. Good luck bro.
/troll because you would probably believe it unless literally stated it's a troll.

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