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Study: Videogames allow you to commit war crimes photo

Videogames: The create murderers. They breed rapists. They warp our children. Now they violate international law and allow gamers to commit heinous war crimes. That's the assertion of two human rights organizations, in any case. They conducted what one could kindly call a ludicrously unimportant study to come to their conclusions and have managed to prove ... well, nothing.

Trial and Pro Juventute are the two groups who played these games under the guidance of humanitarian lawyers, looking at such games as Army of Two, Call of Duty: World at War, Far Cry 2 and many more. It seems that their only real goal in this study was to piss and moan about the results. Piss and moan they did.

"The practically complete absence of rules or sanctions is ... astonishing," states the study. " ... "[We] call upon game producers to consequently and creatively incorporate rules of international humanitarian law and human rights into their games."

Games were chosen over movies thanks to their interactivity, which the study claims blurs the lines between reality and fiction to create a "simulation of real life situations on the battlefield." The report was critical of the fact that characters can be tortured, summary executions can be found and "protected objects" like churches and mosques can be destroyed. Videogames don't wage war according to the Geneva convention, basically.

This is one of the stupidest game-related studies ever.


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Draxxlith's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:22
Draxxlith
They just wanted to use their research monies to catch up on their backlog of shooters they wanted to play, and got called on it, so they needed to say something crazy so they can do it again.
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:29
lastdual
So in other words, wars are fought more effectively in video games than in real life.
Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:30
Phantom Spaceman
false: videogames CAUSE you to commit war crimes (everyone knows Hitler got his start playing Spacewar! on the Z1)
SelfQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:32
SelfQ
Bawww fictional war crimes bawwwww!

wait, whats that? Real crimes against humanity happening right in over a dozen countries? You dont say...
chmima's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:32
chmima
Does this mean the next generation of war games will involve sanctioning a country 8 or 9 times before we're allow to seek the UN's blessing to think about declaring war? Then the game can finally begin.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:33
Los255
Do these people forget that shooters aren't the only kind of videogame?

Morons.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:35
catsithx
Well I guess some people have to much time on there hands and have nothing better to do but to say we're out to conquer the world. If that was true about games "simulation of real life situations on the battlefield." Well then no worry here cause soon as I gt on the battle field I would be dead cause I still suck at those games I still have friends telling to use cover. SO no worries here about me going and doing bad things. I wouldn't last long.
reindall's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:42
reindall
"Humanitarian lawyers"? What's next, "honest politicians"?
Sherwood513's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:42
Sherwood513
I'm sick of this "blurs the lines" crap. When Natal 2.0 lodges shrapnel in my torso because I didn't dodge a grenade fast enough, then you can bitch about realistic simulations...
Scion of Mogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:46
Scion of Mogo
Interearinglty enough I would find a game interesting if it did bring in the real rules of war and punished you severely for breaking them. Something that gave you a sense that there was a real notable consequence to your action.....that being said....holy crap these people are dumb. These bull shit studies bug the hell out of me.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:46
ParaParaKing
I find the idea more scary, that those games depict war as something fun.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:48
Niero
Breaking: Research on violent video games intended for adults concludes that adults cannot handle or discern simulated adult situations happening inside their televisions, and adults are also incapable of raising or controlling their children from using these products.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:48
The-Excel
Hang on. War crimes by definition take place in war time in declared war zones. So how much range does a video game have to create a war zone in its vicinity?
Misanthrope's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 10:59
Misanthrope
Sure games help you commit war crimes. You know what helps you more? Guns. And you know what helps you even more? Your government ordering you to commit war crimes.
molath's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:02
molath
I want games to abide natural laws (like vehicle physics) before we start worrying about human laws.
eXaX's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:04
eXaX
I knew it! We were all along would-be genocidal-rapist-war-criminals. That lawyer was always right!

Quick! Commit harakiri!
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:07
mistic
LoL human rights in shooters... so we can't shoot unless shot upon? and we have to capture prisoners of war and treat them well?
worm jerky's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:11
worm jerky
We live in a stupid, stupid world.
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:15
X3Ent3nte
if world at war DIDNT feature war crimes it would be extremely UNREALISTIC to the point of being an insult to those that suffered throught that brutality. War is a crime in itself, morally speaking regardless of whats sanctioned or not, so i find the general tone of this quite disturbing like its ok to kill people but not do so that violates laws etc, but its a fucking videogame, ai doesnt feel pain. This reminds me of the time animal rights skullf@&%ks got id to remove attack dogs from wolfenstein even thought you slaughter 1000s of humans. what next will the ACLU express disgust that max payne depicts wanton police brutality and that max never abides by law enforcement doctrine or gives the 100's of mobsters and junkies he kills their constittional rights to not be shot in the face with a desert eagle in bullet time
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:15
X3Ent3nte
if world at war DIDNT feature war crimes it would be extremely UNREALISTIC to the point of being an insult to those that suffered throught that brutality. War is a crime in itself, morally speaking regardless of whats sanctioned or not, so i find the general tone of this quite disturbing like its ok to kill people but not do so that violates laws etc, but its a fucking videogame, ai doesnt feel pain. This reminds me of the time animal rights skullf@&%ks got id to remove attack dogs from wolfenstein even thought you slaughter 1000s of humans. what next will the ACLU express disgust that max payne depicts wanton police brutality and that max never abides by law enforcement doctrine or gives the 100's of mobsters and junkies he kills their constittional rights to not be shot in the face with a desert eagle in bullet time
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:17
Holyetheline
What is the point of their study exactly? Definitely a stupid thing...
JynxShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:34
JynxShot
Remember that guy who made his son play WaW according to Geneva conventions?
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:41
X3Ent3nte
at least jack thomson, despite the retarded lol cow that he is, has somekind of consisten stupidity that runs in his agenda. I hate concenred mothers and daily mail fox news moral brigades that accuse videogames of twisting people into monsters and psychopaths, and people who would defend murderers for not being responsible for there actions if they had ever played counter strike, but at least theyre consistently idiotic. But this i find more stupid and slightly disturbing for someone to specifically critise videogames for a particular type of violence ie warcrimes rather than just violence in general. So its ok to butcher someone in a game as long as its all nice and legal, but its not ok to shoot POWS or use human shields.
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:48
X3Ent3nte
Revolver Ocelot: "You're a tough guy, Snake. I've got some bad news. You're no P.O.W.- you're a hostage. There's no Geneva Convention."
oclelot sure knows his human rights law, the shadow moses uprising was by the books
Uzzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:51
Uzzy
And this, unfortunately, is the real effect of so much Fox News/Daily Mail related game bashing. When you get an interesting study into games, people instantly go into mocking mode. Now, this wouldn't be such an issue if we weren't in an era where real life warcrimes have been committed by our OWN armies (US, UK etc), and funnily enough, supported by a segment of the population. Heck, US Army Instructors who specialise in interrogation have to drill out of new recruits the idea that you can just Jack Baeur someone into telling you all the information you need.

As the study itself mentioned, these games (and by extension, popular entertainment) suggest that war is waged without limits, and that warcrimes don't get punished. That's an issue, especially in today's climate. Certainly, you'd expect people to be able to distinguish reality from fantasy, but as I mentioned above, this is having an effect on how people view serious matters, such as interrogations of 'enemy combatants'.
MadExponent's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:52
MadExponent
Yes. I want to maim and kill in video games. That way I can nonviolently have stress relief. Sooooooooo terrible.
Anonymouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 11:58
Anonymouse
I'll say it again: why the hell are videogames picked on so much?

From what I've seen, many films and novels a far more graphic than most videogames, so why don't these "lawyers" go and look at them?
RenagadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 12:00
RenagadePanda
Next they're going to try me in military court for killing those civilians in MW2.
Turtlehermit's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 12:06
Turtlehermit
Human rights for fictional charaters now!
Wait what?
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 12:18
readbigwordsisgood
Odd even BBC did not provide a link to the actual study - http://www.trial-ch.org/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/Evenements_et_manifestations/Playing_by_the_Rule.pdf

If a 'game' was entertaining enough to include eduction in defining what war crimes are, international law, I'd say that is a niche product that provides an added value. I'll leave it at that.

As for game mechanics of punishing violence toward civilians- the best example of a game that does this was not one of the games they tested.

Best analogy I can think of currently for punishing acts of violence towards (game)civilians
is in Left4Dead.

All the survivors in LFD are civilians. If they are griefing and harming each other in a co-op game the team does not survive. You can kick players in LFD2 with a vote.

That seems about as much of a sanction as you are ever going to get out of a game company.

Banning players from servers after being kicked however many times is another way to solve the problem.

Dehumanizing gamers by this constant BS that they are somehow unable to differentiate "reality" from cartoon pictures coming out of a plastic box is bold faced intellectual dishonesty.



Not being able to discern reality is what happens when you have media companies dumping these retarded, bankrupt theories day in day out through your tv at you.

As an Aside-
From what I read this term of propaganda that is used all the time, "Counter Terrorism"?

When we are (the United States) going to commit acts of terrorism under US and International Law we call it, "Counter Terrorism."

A serious issue that really is not something that should be treated lightly in the confines of an game.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 12:26
WarZombie
So, even video games have to follow the Geneva Convention? That's fucking hilarious.
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 12:32
KrazyKraut
ofc.....watching movies too
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 13:02
-PL-
Crime? In a video game? HORSEAPPLES
vava's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 13:21
vava
"Videogames: The create murderers"
/article
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 13:29
xaliqen
While a certain addiction to realistically-depicted morally-reprehensible actions is a problem among a certain segment of the population, this does not change the fact that most gamers are not drawn to such activity in real life. The problem involving the depiction of such behavior is prevalent across all media. This line is already 'well-blurred' and is a cultural, rather than a media-specific, problem.

While I strongly believe that a deep and supposedly 'realistic' depiction of reprehensible activity is problematic in a culture that glorifies violence in a very real way, video games are merely another expression of art and not at all the source of the problem. The source of the problem is, of course, within us and our large appetite for such things.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 13:40
wanderingpixel
I agree with this study. Army of Two was a crime against humanity.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 14:11
Syn
If a game can simulate "real life situations on the battlefield" fuckin' send me in ALONE next time! You know how many people I've destroyed in BF, CoD, MoH? Damn, I can win every war just by myself! For some reason anyone else on my side can't hit shit but they never die when they get shot up.


Totally realistic


Idiots
RWarrior1CO's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 14:54
RWarrior1CO
So in other words, if this study's recommendations are followed, games will become boring and the player will have to fight like a total nancy-boy. No thanks. It's bad enough we do it in real life.
NateT's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 16:37
NateT
Should not people concerned with human rights focus on where actual people are having their human rights violated?
wererogue's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 18:25
wererogue
The study totally says that they don't think videogames should be less violent, just that they should contain reminders that in the real world, laws apply to these crimes. It's still kind of stupid, but it's also stupid that "war sims" have you committing international crimes on the say-so of your superiors, with no thought to the actual law.
andycadaver's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 19:00
andycadaver
It's a goddamn video game. Not reality. I have no idea how this really matters at all. That 'study' is devoid of a point.

What, people should know that war crimes suck?
Alright... well, is anyone in a position to commit a war crime?
Oh, they are? Then who?
Oh, soldiers? Yeah, sure. They do that. But that's not because of video games, that's because they follow orders.
Hmmm, what? Presidents do it too? Oh, that's fine too. That's what voters permit them to do by electing them into office.

Wait... what was their point again?
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 22:13
BoomingEchoes
It is a stupid study mostly because games are fictional. Beyond that its retarded because many nations, including the United States, are struggling to follow humanitarian laws.

If any thing even the most fictional games are giving us a somewhat realistic view of what really goes on in war time. No honor amongst thieves and all that.
greks224's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2009 23:58
greks224
Is it a war crime for love to bloom on the battlefield?
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 00:32
Im OK
Just a few more decades... just a few more...
Mousse420's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 05:10
Mousse420
The point is that these games are BASED on things that are really happening. Stretch your puny imaginations for one second and try to imagine if you LIVED in Iraq and actually SAW women and children butchered and raped by these "private contractors", and then found out that America's fat, spoiled little brats played games glorifying these acts as "cool".

All you idiots care about/are thinking about is the games, you don't take a single second to consider the reality of what they are ficticiously representing. This is propaganda designed intentionally warp your perception of world events. Why do you think the military loves video games and encourages people to play them? They want you to think of murder as a game.

Also, Jim Sterling is a fucking idiot.
SaintRising's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/26/2009 18:14
SaintRising
Being a president allows you to commit war crimes, too.
rottenvenetic's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/19/2009 10:01
rottenvenetic
Well, they got bitching about unimportant stuff in ridiculous ways down to an art form. The art of flapping your gums (or fingers) instead of doing something useful, that is.

Video games are just games, and someone who can't tell the difference between game and life is so messed up in the head they'd end up doing something horrible (or straight into a padded cell) even if they never played VGs a second.
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