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Before we get started, I would like to note that naively searching "back trouble" on Google Images yields some unexpected results after a few pages. Anyway, a study conducted by a Queensland, Australia chiropractor has shown a dramatic increase in the number of children showing signs of spinal curvature. She's calling for Scoliosis screening to be reinstated in schools, and blames the problem on videogames; primarily handheld systems.

Unfortunately, the study does little to show what caused innumerable cases of the same condition for the thousands of years prior to the invention of the Game Boy. The chiropractor notes that handhelds force children to hunch over with their heads down in order to play, which actually makes perfect sense. That's horrid posture, and if your kids are under the age of ten or eleven when their bones set, they should probably sit up a little straighter. Or stop playing so many videogames.

While you're at it, you can have them knock off the book reading. And playing with Legos. And drawing. And clipping their own toenails. And homework. And tying their shoes. Petting cats or small dogs. Normal life is bad for your health.








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PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:37
PhazonYoshi
The gameboy, sure. I had to rotate my back about 728 degrees through all 3 dimensions just to get some light on that bloody screen. The DS you can play however, assuming you have arms.
Havoc Fang's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:42
Havoc Fang
BREAKING NEWS: MOVEMENT CAN BE BAD FOR YOU, AS CAN THINKING AND READING! MORE AT THIRTEEN!
MountainGorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:43
MountainGorilla
Super Gameboy! Now all of your posture and backlighting problems are solved, and you can set your own two-tone color scheme.
DaShiz 21's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:45
DaShiz 21
Please email this entire story to the conductor of the study and then comment it on the page so he/she will realize how tiny their mind is. Maybe then anyone who is somehow guided to that page will realize what a joke some of our "doctors" are.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:47
EternalDeathSlayer
This is actually one of the reasons I don't do much handheld gaming. Shit gets uncomfortable for me.

That said, reading books is exactly the same. I am constantly shifting my body around trying to find a comfy position.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:49
Aurain
I don't believe this Posture shit.

I'm only comfortable, in a position where my body doesn't ache, in positions these experts would be visually horrified at.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:53
HiddenAHB
It's not about games but about gamers.
You can't blame games just because some gamers like to be 2 inchs of the screen.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:54
Topher Cantler
I have a niece about that age, but she doesn't play her DS hunched over. She plays it upside-down on the couch, or rolling around on the floor going "JUMP KIRBY! JUUUUUMP" or lying on her back on top of the coffee table. Because children are crazy.
AfroWalrus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:55
AfroWalrus
My brother had scoliosis surgery about a year ago and I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with video games.
phantomile's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 13:56
phantomile
Again, people blame video games for something that just about every other sedentary activity can also cause.

Kids DO need to be getting outside and exercising more, but it sure as hell isn't the fault of video games.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:03
Daxelman
I blame backpacks more for my back pain.

These books are heavy, and WE NEVER FUCKING USE THEM AT ALL.
zeroword's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:23
zeroword
Chiropractors are not real doctors anyway. It is a pseudo-science.
Trevor McGee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:23
Trevor McGee
Yeah, what about all of those hours children spend hunched over a desk in school for five days a week? Also, the backpack comment made by Daxelman is 100% true as well. I haven't been in school for a while, but I remember having a lot of back pains from sitting hunched over a desk for hours a day and having to lug around a backpack full of heavy books and other school related material that wasn't used a lot of the time. If fact it got worse as I got older because I was forced to carry all of my books in my backpack and completely forgo using my locker because it often made me late and got me in trouble. My backpack probably weighed a good 30+ pounds, maybe more. The straps would rip right off due to the amount of weight I had to carry around in there. I spent more time doing that than playing handheld gaming consoles, so what is the explanation there?
TheTaj's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:31
TheTaj
Trevor McGee hit it right on the head. The golden rule of these studies is that correlation does not equal causation, and obviously the people who are publicizing this study didn't think critically enough. There are many other factors other than video games that also could contribute to spinal curvature. I also can contend to being hunched over at desks at school and heavy backpacks to causing back pains, at least for me.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:34
DaedHead8
And here I am thinking that the car accident I was in as an 11 year old were the root cause of my back problems. Silly me, it must have been all those video games. (fun fact: I was playing Shinobi II on the Game Gear when my family's mini-van was rear ended)
Jesus H Christ's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:34
Jesus H Christ
Oh noez theyz attackin our vidjyagamez!

I can believe that playing my DS hurts my back because I lean against the arm of my couch when I play it, and I'm sore afterwords. Same position I typically read books in.

But no, games are da debull.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:35
Topher Cantler
The whole point of this is some random person calling out videogames in an attempt to garner attention for themselves, which is exactly why I didn't provide the doctor's name or place of business in the post. She wants to be famous, survey says: BZZZZZZT
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:39
GoldenGamerXero
Strangely enough I have (Or had unless my doctors decided to cut me up for no reason) scoliosis and of course play numerous video games but I hardly think the two are related. As like Daxelman and trevor said my backpack has more strain on my back than sitting down and playing games does. Also if this study is trying to prove this reaction by putting in a extremely common factor like owning a games console then it's no wonder there's a positive correlation. It's like looking at the number of cancer victims who like chocolate!

Topher, go be a gopher and crawl into a hole. All of your stories about random factors bore me.
Analoge's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:42
Analoge
This just in: Waggle causes Parkinson's.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:44
Daxelman
Topher is never going to be able to escape the "Topher, go be a gopher" line.

EVER.
ender_x's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:46
ender_x
I like how gamers are all of a sudden experts on all-things .. Great article Topher. I realize you're obviously a god among men, however, you didn't do any studies. I know - I know! You did a google search.

Good job!
s00pcan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:52
s00pcan
I'm pretty sure my back trouble is from skateboarding. And not THPS.
Firestorm2117's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 14:55
Firestorm2117
I play video games. My day job requires me to be at a computer all day. I draw. I read. I'm also a goalie in hockey.

I spend roughly 90% of my time hunched over and yet I've never had back problems.

That "doctor" can kiss my perfectly healthy backside.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:01
Topher Cantler
@Enderx: Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy my work! That's very kind of you. Although I did no such google search, as my real area of expertise is common fucking sense, which negates the need in this case. And if you're going to establish yourself as a proper troll around here, get an avatar.
OrangeJuice's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:03
OrangeJuice
I just cant understand why gamers cant grow the fuck up,
I like to have a smoke once in the while I know its bad for me and its fucking my health, but when i see a new study saying smoking is bad for me I don't make a blog post to try to tell myself its all nonsense. Of course gaming is bad for me, it fucks your back your eyes and its a waste of fucking time, I know all this and i don't need to comfort myself that games are great for me, plus I like how game blogger shit on all these studies THE FUCK YOU KNOW, YOU ARE MAKING A LIVING WRITING ABOUT GAMES, YOURE GAME BLOGER, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP, WRITE ABOUT THE ONLY THINGS YOU KNOW SOMETHING and leave medicine to the people who know something, like the doctors who have studied this stuff....
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:03
Doos
My right shoulder is f'ed right now because I'm been playing 'Trials HD' for hours and hours on end. Which for some reason, always makes me sit on the edge of my seat with my elbows down on my knees, all hunched and leering towards my TV. As soon as I move into that position, I can feel the tension. It's definitely my posture that's the problem.. but.. it's my bad, not the game.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:05
Topher Cantler
That's more like it.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:13
GoldenGamerXero
@ender_x

I like how you ignore the fact many gamers here either has had back dificulties or know someone with them and have never heard of anyone having them from games. I also LOVE how you don't seem to know squat about scoliosis and how it's usually caused by a problem in the womb or aquired genetically. But what would I know right? Not like my check ups for it not to mention my hospital vist for a week with it give me any less experience on the subject than a troll trying to defend some idiot on the internet right?

I know - I know! You're a dick!

Good job!

@Orange Juice

The reason it's an article is because she's talking absolute bullshit to try to scare people with shiny graphs and charts. If someone came up to you and told you your smoking caused AIDS you would tell that person it was all fucking nonsense. None of us are claiming gaming isn't bad for you but it certainly doesn't cause scoliosis.
OrangeJuice's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:17
OrangeJuice
and you know its bullshit because....?
SullyZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:22
SullyZero
I am a chiropractor who has been playing games for practically my whole life. I started with an Atari and went right up through to this gen. This Australian chiropractor is technically right in that you can really screw up your spine by sitting in weird positions when you game. Like you guys said though you can just as easily get messed up through improper posture while reading, watching TV, studying, whatever. It'a a stupid argument by a chiropractor who is looking to get published, where videogames are being used as a strawman mainly because they are an popular target. That being said I REALLY think that as gamers we need to be a little less reactionary about this sort of thing. If I got all up in arms everytime someone said I wasnt a "real doctor" (thanks zeroword!), I'd spend all my time in futile arguments instead of doing what I love to do. So sorry about the wall of text but I feel sort of invested in this. My worlds be colliding!
OrangeJuice's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:25
OrangeJuice
Finally, a breath of fresh air
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:39
Darren Nakamura
Although I would have said it more politely, I kind of agree with OrangeJuice here. Just because scoliosis did exist for thousands of years before the advent of video games, doesn't negate the fact that this study shows an increase in recent years. While I don't necessarily agree that it is all the fault of handheld games (and without reading the study, I'm not sure how that conclusion was come to--or if it even actually was), but rather a product of how life is these days, you can't call bullshit on it citing only "common sense" when these people have done a scientific/medical study on it, peer-reviewed by other experts in the field.
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:48
Johnny Justice
I think it's worth noting that, in the source article, the chiropractor isn't quoted singling out videogames. Just because the study says playing handhelds are the cause of many cases, doesn't mean it's painted as the leading cause. I think it's just the reporter sensationalising.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:48
GoldenGamerXero
@SullyZero

She may be on to something with the position but I doubt the cause is video games. I'll actually be quite happy for them to start checking kids for scoliosis but it pisses me off that they tried using such a lame excuse for it. Also you guys do good work. Only the people who don't need you are the ones who say stuff like that.

@Dexter345

I'm not saying that it doesn't possibly contribute I'm saying that its definately not the main cause. There are several things you can do that put you in a similar position so thay should be thinking more about the way they're doing it that what they're doing. If many people play games from a young age and scoliosis has been happening since before gaming happened why is it only a small section of those two groups are connecting?
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:49
Emrah
Oh, a scientific study that puts gaming in a negative light. It MUST be wrong!
's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 15:49
Clint
With that header image, I at first read it as black trouble, and thought they were referring to video games converting kids to Wicca or something XP
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 16:05
Emrah
GoldenGamerXero:
Last time I heard, relatively small section of people who smoke get cancer. A majority of people I know who smokes doesn't/didn't get cancer. Animals get cancer too, and they don't smoke. So smoking does not cause cancer. There's common sense for ya.. If science didn't investigate the link of smoking to cancer, it'd take quite longer to figure that out, wouldn't it??

A bad posture is a bad posture, hand held gaming specifically induces that posture for prolonged hours, unlike tying your shoes or petting your cats and small dogs like the author of this post has unimaginatively claims for the sake of being hillarious. Yes, reading a book with the wrong posture is harmful too but you can do it the right way by reading on a desk with the correct posture, you'd be less likely to play a handheld in a correct posture which I guess is also possible. This article should give a message to parent to be alarmed about it.
Amaru's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 17:34
Amaru
When I play video games I tend to have good posture and sit straight up since I'm alert and following whatever is on screen. So this study is bogus.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 17:46
Darren Nakamura
@---AMARU---: Your single anecdote on how you, as one person out of the hundreds of millions who play games in the world, don't do something that this study says some children do, DOES NOT prove the study to be bogus.
cousinike's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 18:11
cousinike
Hi i'm 26 years old I have been playing games for at least 20 of those years. In the last year of my life I have been having a lot of back issues mostly in my upper spine. I have been in and out with Dr's for a bit now and after all the test, x-rays and BULLSHIT they came to the conclusion that its caused by sitting and being hunched over for most of my life. You see how it works is that are legs are designed to make sure are back is stable while we move in any way, and all the pressure is absorbed thru that, if we are siting down all pressure is then directed to the tip of your lower spine, there for removing the whole point are the legs. a lot of people over time get to a point to where they start hunching over to relive pressure on the spine and that right there as we know is how you can get hunchback and can also cause issues in the upper spine... like me. so ya the experts are partly right well because there experts and they know a trigger reaction that causes back pain. But blaming one just one thing of gaming like handheld is just stupid, its all games and systems, oh and time.....
Korolev's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 18:39
Korolev
A chiropractor is not the same thing as a Doctor - often Chiropractors are nothing more than quacks (seriously, some chiropractors claim that they can cure ANY disease by moving your bones. Even cancer).

My sister has a very mild form of scoliosis. Nothing that prevents her from living her life. From all the literature I can read, it is almost certainly either partially or totally genetic. My sister NEVER played video-games when she was younger.

No one is entirely sure what causes scoliosis. But video games ain't one of the reasons.

And before you say "Study shows", make sure you look at who is doing the "studying". Chiropractors are not scientists, not doctors. At best they are glorified physical therapists. At worst, they are dangerous quacks who practice "hujo-mujo" type nonsense "medicine".
ShadowKirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 18:56
ShadowKirby
I'm just going to comment on those saying that "I know someone who had back problems and do not play videogames". It's like saying smoking don't give lung cancers because you know someone who had it and did not smoke.
SullyZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 20:34
SullyZero
Korolev, anybody who tells you that they are going to cure cancer by adjusting you would indeed be a quack. Personally I don't know of any chiropractors who would make such a claim. We are however "doctors" no matter how much you might like to think otherwise. Doctor is a degree just like "bachelors" or "masters". We are not "medical doctors" although we have many of the same classes as them and go to school for a comparable amount of time. Really the biggest difference in our education is that MDs have a great deal of classes on pharmacology where DCs have many more on the musculoskeletal system and neurology. We generally deal with very different things you see. If I was having a heart attack would I want someone to adjust C1? Good lord no! I'd like to be driven to the emergency room ASAP. However if one of my MD friends' child had scoliosis I'm sure he would bring them to see me to see if I could help before commiting them to surgery where Herrington rods are fused into their spines condemning them to a life of back pain. I'm not sure what chiropractor wronged you or your family so deeply in the past as to make you so bitter, but rest assured we are not out to get you. As for scoliosis of course you can get it without playing videogames. Can you get it even if you have perfect posture your whole life? Absolutely, there are lots of genetic factors at work, but the odds of developing it skyrocket if you have poor posture. Lots of things CAN cause you to have poor posture if you do them improperly including videogames, reading, driving and even writing spitefully on videogame blogs about things that you know little about! I hope this was helpful to you.
UnleashedWerehog's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 20:42
UnleashedWerehog
I got minor scoliosis and I play video games... I don't see the problem here...

I'm guessing its my posture. Surely Video Games are not to blame ! It's our posture or how we are standing or sitting when playing video games. Why does everyone love to blame video games for all the problems in life ?
froman46992's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 21:15
froman46992
i got back problem from school, the desk are so unsupportive and i slup over to write
mid3vol's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/16/2009 21:29
mid3vol
yeah, it couldn't possibly be the amount of books they make you carry around at school when you're younger. never. that's just preposterous.
Maromi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 00:24
Maromi
@Topher pretty sure your niece sounds like the cutest thing EVER.
Demonthral's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 00:50
Demonthral
Ok I feel a comment is in order for a change. Yes scoliosis is most commonly a genetic disorder. It has run in my family for generations on the woman's side. My great grandmothers, grandmother, Mother and Aunt, all have it or had it. From what I know the curvature of the spine in these cases got from the left side of your body to the right. or vise versa... not front to back. That is a totally different disorder... hence the improper carrying of a back pack can worsen a pre existing condition or start a new one. But slouching with give you a hump back or hunch back, not scoliosis. Here is a link to a short video on what it is for all of you arguing about this. And yes this so called doctor is a crock.

http://xml.truveo.com/rd?i=1868219991&a=af6f670b39b1121cf54358467c12e869&p=1&q=id%3A1870064885&vl=1870064885%20
LGDravere's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 07:40
LGDravere
chiropractors aren't proper doctors. no more that any other homeopathy quack.

i would doubt anybody who doesn't have a degree in any of the sciences to conduct a study using proper and thorough scientific methods. If its a problem with the children, then dont blame the video games, BLAME THE GODDAM PARENTS WHO ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN BE BE RAISED BY CONSOLES!

my parents kicked me out the house to play outside when they thought i'd played enough games, and now im thankful for that.
SullyZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 11:19
SullyZero
Guess those 9 years in school to get my doctorate degree were wasted since I apparently don't have a degree in "the sciences!". Thanks for showing me the light LGDravere! I'm sure you must have some sort of advanced degree since you know so much. I'm going to guess it's not an english degree though GODDAM it! Maybe you could help me out sometime. Do you give lessons in crabbiness?
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