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I said it in the Pachter article and I'll say it again here, the 3DS and PSP2 will need to evolve a much more robust market for smaller titles. DSiWare is a good start, but we need more.
They have the advantage, and it's up to them to keep it. Otherwise, they're going to get shown up by the iDevices and Androids.
They have the advantage, and it's up to them to keep it. Otherwise, they're going to get shown up by the iDevices and Androids.
When was the last big "must-have" game on the DS or PSP? That's why those machines are seeing less use, not because of some innate capability of the i-line of devices to make users choose them over the DS / PSP.
@sofik88 There are many games on the iPhone with real gameplay value these days. There's even Final Fantasy and other good titles in the AppStore.
It's not just the simple mobile games either. Some of the these mobile games are outdoing handheld (and console) counterparts.
Just take a look at Chaos Rings, DoDonpachi Resurrection, Espgaluda 2, or Space Invaders Infinity Gene. All quality games that cost waaaaaay less than handheld games. And since I always have my cell phone with me, I end up buying more games for that, rather than my DS.
Just take a look at Chaos Rings, DoDonpachi Resurrection, Espgaluda 2, or Space Invaders Infinity Gene. All quality games that cost waaaaaay less than handheld games. And since I always have my cell phone with me, I end up buying more games for that, rather than my DS.
Well considering the 3DS already has the capability to download software (most likely through an interface that isn't slow and uninformative like DSiware) and the PSP2 will definitely have that too, they are not in much trouble. That's about the only advantage the iphone has over the PSP/DS when it comes to gaming. Really, comparing newer smartphones to the PSP/DS is comparing things of two different generations. They are fine with sales slowing down because their generations are coming to a close. Personally I think Apple should be the one worrying, when you can't have both 3D and a touchscreen in a system without having two separate screens (which no iteration of the iphone will ever get because they want to keep it slim and simple looking) and the PSP2 will most likely be an android phone with buttons.
I like the underdog phone developers too. But I sure hope the big handhelds stay healthy. When I think about quality of a Zelda or Dragon Quest DS game vs Robot Unicorn Attack or Super Mega Worm. Those games are neat $1 throwaways, but I get sick of them within days.
This makes perfect sense. With Smartphones becoming more accessible (I'm getting one for £99 soon ^_^ ) it's clear why gamers would choose them over a handheld console.
Nintendo won't have any problems selling the 3DS.
Sony will struggle outside of Japan.
The iDevice's success is based on the multitude of things they do well, but I don't think many people buy them specifically for gaming.
Sony will struggle outside of Japan.
The iDevice's success is based on the multitude of things they do well, but I don't think many people buy them specifically for gaming.
That smart phone gaming is growing is no news at all. A lot of people who aren't gamers, and would never consider buying a DS or PSP, will certainly play an easy, cheap game while they're waiting in line at Macy's.
The article also points out that 27% of DS/PSP owners are playing smart phone games but not actively playing their handheld console, though that leaves out a lot of information. Are these people just between games, or have they abandoned their consoles? Are they waiting for new DS/PSP games to be released? It's kind of a shame that so many people seem to be calling for Nintendo and Sony to lower the quality of their games, and instead produce a flood of cheap, soulless phone-type games.
Having in-depth, complex, unquestionably polished games in my pocket is better than $2 skill-less, throw-away experiences.
The article also points out that 27% of DS/PSP owners are playing smart phone games but not actively playing their handheld console, though that leaves out a lot of information. Are these people just between games, or have they abandoned their consoles? Are they waiting for new DS/PSP games to be released? It's kind of a shame that so many people seem to be calling for Nintendo and Sony to lower the quality of their games, and instead produce a flood of cheap, soulless phone-type games.
Having in-depth, complex, unquestionably polished games in my pocket is better than $2 skill-less, throw-away experiences.
The DS is overcrowded with crappy multi-platform ports and child shovelware. Games like Golden Sun, The World Ends With You, Knights in the Nightmare, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, and so forth are all few and far between. Pretty much all of th games that I still play are 1-3 years old, unless 358/2 Days came out this year.
Furthermore, I think that developers are gearing up for the 3DS. It doesn't help that consumers are also waiting for the 3DS. My old DS needs replacing, but I am not going to buy a DSi months before the 3DS releases.
Furthermore, I think that developers are gearing up for the 3DS. It doesn't help that consumers are also waiting for the 3DS. My old DS needs replacing, but I am not going to buy a DSi months before the 3DS releases.
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You do know that there are people who've purchased more than one DS and PSP, right?
The DS has had four different hardware releases, three of which a lot of people were probably willing to upgrade for (DS->DSLite->DSi), and speaking personally I bit the bullet and went with a DSiXL because I generally use it at home after finally deciding to replace my original DS. I personally know people who have all four.
The PSP, likewise, has four different hardware releases, and while I'm happy sticking with my original PSP, I know people who either upgraded to a 2000 or 3000 and some who also got suckered into trying the PSPGo after their original PSP.
I'm willing to bet large amounts of cash that the install base is significantly smaller than the 200-210 million units sold.
You do know that there are people who've purchased more than one DS and PSP, right?
The DS has had four different hardware releases, three of which a lot of people were probably willing to upgrade for (DS->DSLite->DSi), and speaking personally I bit the bullet and went with a DSiXL because I generally use it at home after finally deciding to replace my original DS. I personally know people who have all four.
The PSP, likewise, has four different hardware releases, and while I'm happy sticking with my original PSP, I know people who either upgraded to a 2000 or 3000 and some who also got suckered into trying the PSPGo after their original PSP.
I'm willing to bet large amounts of cash that the install base is significantly smaller than the 200-210 million units sold.
Oh and since I can't edit I was going to add that the PSP is doing badly because there's never any games to buy for it.
I was an honest-to-God PSP fan. I bought Crisis Core, Monster Hunter, and UMD movies. But Sony expected us to move to the Go, scrapping hundreds of dollars worth of UMD purchases, and the Go STILL didn't have two analog nubs or good online games.
Let's face it, the PSP is doing poorly because it's the PSP.
I was an honest-to-God PSP fan. I bought Crisis Core, Monster Hunter, and UMD movies. But Sony expected us to move to the Go, scrapping hundreds of dollars worth of UMD purchases, and the Go STILL didn't have two analog nubs or good online games.
Let's face it, the PSP is doing poorly because it's the PSP.
As said. My Smartphone is always with me. Thats why i prefer using it. The lack uf physical buttons for gaming sucks, though
I personally don't like mobile gaming, and if I had a choice, I would rather game on the go on the PSP and DS. That being said, it's hard to deny the impact of mobile gaming on our industry.
The DS and PSP have been around for a really long time. It shouldn't be surprising that they've declined in popularity. Something new had to replace them eventually.
Until there are proper buttons and a d-pad, phone games aren't worth a shit to me personally. There are some games that work fine touch-only, but 90% of them could be better served with real controls.
Also, we're talking about two platforms that have essentially run their course versus trendy and grossly expensive smartphone, which you pay through the nose to use. I still run with my old phone, I'm not paying $30 extra a month just so I can get a "free" smartphone and a shitty 3G connection.
I'd be more interested in investing in an iPad or Droid tablet that I can use with my much better 4G services, but even thing, not really for gaming at all. I mean, I htink its great smartphones fill the old Game Boy Color market with little novelty games, but I'd just prefer something a bit more substantial.
Also, we're talking about two platforms that have essentially run their course versus trendy and grossly expensive smartphone, which you pay through the nose to use. I still run with my old phone, I'm not paying $30 extra a month just so I can get a "free" smartphone and a shitty 3G connection.
I'd be more interested in investing in an iPad or Droid tablet that I can use with my much better 4G services, but even thing, not really for gaming at all. I mean, I htink its great smartphones fill the old Game Boy Color market with little novelty games, but I'd just prefer something a bit more substantial.
This is a ridiculous statement. The DS and PSP are DYING PLATFORMS. They're about to be replaced by their new iterations and have no high-profile games coming out for them aside from the latest God of War and Sonic game. First party support has dwindled. They're experiencing the same slow dying sequence that every system eventually does.
This is like saying fewer people are playing the PS2. Amazing insight.
This is like saying fewer people are playing the PS2. Amazing insight.
That's an insteresting point of view and I respect it. Definitely there are more phone devices on the market than DS' and PSPs. However, not all of us look for 5-minute games. In my case, I love to play a good Castlevania round in my PSP or, right now, keep going on Golden Sun Dark Dawn. I love deep games in hanhelds as much as I love them in home consoles. Don't misunderstand me, I enjoy playing a fast game of Bejeweled too sometimes.
A few months back I was checking my stats in Doodle Jump and it said I had played 15 hours. That alone really put mobile gaming in perspective for me. My DS and PSP are great at what they do but my phone is always with me and I spend a lot more time gaming on it for that reason. Sure some genres work better than others but dismissing mobile games because of that is just stupid.
Did Jim seriously co-sign this? Both of these have been on the market for 6 years. On has the new iteration launching in the next 3 months. No fucking shit. I'm sure 3G iPod whatevers are stagnant with the 4G iPod out. That's how technology works. Things that are old on the market and are getting replaced get lower sales. Next you'll post an article about Madden sales lagging because Madden 10 isn't at the top of the charts.
@Tony Ponce is right. Even that awesome games like 999 have been released, many of them have are unknow by many people, for that reason the taditional handheld haven't seen many action lately in the hands of many people. Software is what move a hardware not on the oppposite.
Also, nintendo and probably sony are focusing their efforts in the succesors of their handhelds.
Also, nintendo and probably sony are focusing their efforts in the succesors of their handhelds.
"Personally I think Apple should be the one worrying, when you can't have both 3D and a touchscreen in a system without having two separate screens (which no iteration of the iphone will ever get because they want to keep it slim and simple looking) and the PSP2 will most likely be an android phone with buttons."
Sharp is launching two 3D screened touch screen phones with one surface in Q1 last I heard. unless you meant more than one screen ontop of each other or something. Granted that isn't Ios its Android but the fact I suppose still remains.
I've really not been overly impressed with the games I have on my phone. I don't think I've finished a single game I've ever installed on my phone. I do think the file sizes for phone games is a halting factor in many releases, until more people have the LTE +/pseudo-4g systems and can painlessly download a game thats a gig.
But times are changing, and its nice to see better games coming out on cell phones.
Sharp is launching two 3D screened touch screen phones with one surface in Q1 last I heard. unless you meant more than one screen ontop of each other or something. Granted that isn't Ios its Android but the fact I suppose still remains.
I've really not been overly impressed with the games I have on my phone. I don't think I've finished a single game I've ever installed on my phone. I do think the file sizes for phone games is a halting factor in many releases, until more people have the LTE +/pseudo-4g systems and can painlessly download a game thats a gig.
But times are changing, and its nice to see better games coming out on cell phones.
I've been playing my DS everyday since I got it years ago and I'm still looking forward to games like Ghost trick, okamiden. KH: Coded etc.
Maybe the DS isn't as popular as it use to be, but it's still doing well
Personally I find it much easier to invest a half an hour into a ds or psp game than to turn on a console game (college takes up alot of my time)and iphone games don't really appeal to me I can just play flash games instead
Maybe the DS isn't as popular as it use to be, but it's still doing well
Personally I find it much easier to invest a half an hour into a ds or psp game than to turn on a console game (college takes up alot of my time)and iphone games don't really appeal to me I can just play flash games instead
I think there's a problem here, with the interpretation of studies like this. There's the failure, on the part of those interpreting the studies, to remember a basic and often forgotten tenet of reading studies, which is "correlation does not imply causation." A study of serial killers will probably find that almost all of them, before they started killing, wore pants. Assuming the ipod touch/iphone is the cause of people gaming less on the DS's/PSPs is making the same error as assuming that pants caused people to become serial killers.
Might it also be caused by the fact that the DS and PSP are six year old systems, and their popularity is finally waning on its own? And yes, people are playing lots of stupid little cellphone games on their ithings. This might change when the next generation of dedicated handhelds comes out.
Not to mention, the "stagnant" market for handhelds still leaves Nintendo in the very clear lead, well ahead of Sony and Apple combined. Yes, people aren't buying DS's as fast as the used to, but Nintendo still has a huge portion of the market share, and the DS is the second best selling console of all time, after the PS2, and will, very shortly, outsell it, as well.
So yeah, a handheld system about to be the best selling console system of any type of system, ever, sure sounds like handhelds are dead to me. I best get me an iphone and a $.99 crumpled paper tossing ap, and toss scribblenauts and my DS in the trash.
Might it also be caused by the fact that the DS and PSP are six year old systems, and their popularity is finally waning on its own? And yes, people are playing lots of stupid little cellphone games on their ithings. This might change when the next generation of dedicated handhelds comes out.
Not to mention, the "stagnant" market for handhelds still leaves Nintendo in the very clear lead, well ahead of Sony and Apple combined. Yes, people aren't buying DS's as fast as the used to, but Nintendo still has a huge portion of the market share, and the DS is the second best selling console of all time, after the PS2, and will, very shortly, outsell it, as well.
So yeah, a handheld system about to be the best selling console system of any type of system, ever, sure sounds like handhelds are dead to me. I best get me an iphone and a $.99 crumpled paper tossing ap, and toss scribblenauts and my DS in the trash.
"Having quick, simple, unquestionably cheap games in my pocket is better than $40 condensed console experiences."
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wasnt it Jim who said something to the effect that "of course wii sales are going down when everyone already has one"?
Why is this any different? I mean, I dont know the exact sales numbers but I'd make a guess that the ds has sold more units than the wii.
Why is this any different? I mean, I dont know the exact sales numbers but I'd make a guess that the ds has sold more units than the wii.
wasnt it Jim who said something to the effect that "of course wii sales are going down when everyone already has one"?
Why is this any different? I mean, I dont know the exact sales numbers but I'd make a guess that the ds has sold more units than the wii.
Why is this any different? I mean, I dont know the exact sales numbers but I'd make a guess that the ds has sold more units than the wii.
Between P3P, Ys: Oath in Felghana, Knights in the Knightmare (PSP), and Etrian Odyssey 3, my portable systems having been getting a lot of attention lately.
Once the 3DS hits we'll be able to look back at this post and laugh.
Once the 3DS hits we'll be able to look back at this post and laugh.
I don't think this has anything to do with Nintendo or Sony stepping their game up, one big problem is they are in a tough spot. I consider myself a well rounded gamer and will play anything that's fun or interesting. When I am at work/school/on the bus/or parent's house there's one device that's always with me and it's my phone. Smartphones reach such a varied pool of customers that can't possibly be reached by the PSP or DS. I've tried bringing my PSP/DSi around with me and I usually revert back to my phone; It surfs the internet, plays music, movies and games as well as emulators, oh and I guess it makes calls too. I think rather than stepping their game up, Sony and Nintendo need to rethink the kind of game they want to play, because it's an uphill battle against the smartphone market.
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