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No one denies it's a force. That said, I wish certain parties would admit that 95 percent of what is on iOS is pure garbage even from a casual gamer standpoint or that a d pad and some buttons would really help half the games forced onto the platform.
What a hunk of shit. Howsabout we start with Ralph Baer, move onto Nolan Bushnell and then follow down the line.
Creating a new distribution system does not make you the most influential force in an industry unless we're talking about package delivery.
Yes people will have to accept that iPhones are part of gaming.
But I don't think this is the feeling of "gamers".
iOS brought a lot of non-gamers into gaming. This is what these results seem to point to for me. But if we are talking about "gamers" i would like to see this survey done with that demo.
But I don't think this is the feeling of "gamers".
iOS brought a lot of non-gamers into gaming. This is what these results seem to point to for me. But if we are talking about "gamers" i would like to see this survey done with that demo.
Huh. Interesting. I like to think that iOS is just another option, just like handhelds or consoles, but not our gaming future. It's a tad harder to get into, as far as phone plans and pricing goes, but still worth it.
And as much as I respect Jobs, I think the voting here was a tad biased on account of the man's death.
And as much as I respect Jobs, I think the voting here was a tad biased on account of the man's death.
Get the feeling Jim is only posting this to back up his point in the Jimquisition of how Steve Jobs was influential.
Accepting that the company has affected gaming in some form? Yes.
Accepting it as a dedicated gaming platform? I'm sorry but no, I'm not like the masses and wanting my gaming, internet, phone, MP3 player, camera and all that shit all in one.
I've got NO problem carrying around a dedicated gaming device and putting everything else on my smart phone, being that anytime I'm out on my own going to classes, events, shopping or something else, I carry a messenger bag with me.
Even though portable consoles have a more diverse handling of the controls of the games (Albeit the 3DS and Vita are taking different design, similar play style approaches) at least I don't have to buy a new god damn device every year to have it be powerful enough to play new games. I can buy one (or two) and be set for the rest of the console's life cycle. Hell, the DS has functioned as so, DS upgrades are completely optional, after all it wasn't until just earlier this year that we saw an actual hardware change up, outside of a brightening of screen and change of screen size. Very possible we'll see the 3DS handled differently, but they're not gonna alienate the original owners. They didn't do it with the GBA either, I don't see it happening now.
That alone is my belief behind why the iPhone will never be a dedicated gaming device, because unlike computers, you can't tear one apart and put in new components to improve its productivity and it's always coming out with improvements that newer games make use of and/or require to function properly.
At the least, the iPhone market has opened up a moderate bit of indie development for the industry, so that at the least can be given some praise.
Accepting it as a dedicated gaming platform? I'm sorry but no, I'm not like the masses and wanting my gaming, internet, phone, MP3 player, camera and all that shit all in one.
I've got NO problem carrying around a dedicated gaming device and putting everything else on my smart phone, being that anytime I'm out on my own going to classes, events, shopping or something else, I carry a messenger bag with me.
Even though portable consoles have a more diverse handling of the controls of the games (Albeit the 3DS and Vita are taking different design, similar play style approaches) at least I don't have to buy a new god damn device every year to have it be powerful enough to play new games. I can buy one (or two) and be set for the rest of the console's life cycle. Hell, the DS has functioned as so, DS upgrades are completely optional, after all it wasn't until just earlier this year that we saw an actual hardware change up, outside of a brightening of screen and change of screen size. Very possible we'll see the 3DS handled differently, but they're not gonna alienate the original owners. They didn't do it with the GBA either, I don't see it happening now.
That alone is my belief behind why the iPhone will never be a dedicated gaming device, because unlike computers, you can't tear one apart and put in new components to improve its productivity and it's always coming out with improvements that newer games make use of and/or require to function properly.
At the least, the iPhone market has opened up a moderate bit of indie development for the industry, so that at the least can be given some praise.
@carleo
...so?
As far as I know, it won't have an ios like setup. It is more like the ds's touch screen than an ipad.
...so?
As far as I know, it won't have an ios like setup. It is more like the ds's touch screen than an ipad.
How many years has this trend been going on, and people in comment sections still deny that it’s happening? Casual gaming didn’t die when the Wii lost momentum, it just switched over to phones and Facebook and started growing even faster. And no casual gamer with a phone is going to buy a handheld system ever again.
Maybe you don’t notice it while you’re at home playing 360, but the mobile space and free to play is changing the industry big time.
Maybe you don’t notice it while you’re at home playing 360, but the mobile space and free to play is changing the industry big time.
So, how many of these "professionals" were independent devs that copy existing ideas and publish them on IOS?
@waves
I'm not denying that iOS doesn't have an influence but I don't think it has the most influence. I think the Wii and Xbox Live have had a far greater effect on gaming.
I'm not denying that iOS doesn't have an influence but I don't think it has the most influence. I think the Wii and Xbox Live have had a far greater effect on gaming.
Elegant design was one of the big things he was about. Developers being influenced by the Keep It Simple design of Mac OS, iMacs, iPods and now iOS isn't really that surprising, I think.
Not to mention he's tied to, surprisingly sure, this platform and pricing model that has invigorated indie game development, and given some high profile evidence of alternate pricing models being crazy effective.
Heck, the fact that Apple makes their developer program SO accessible and devoid of excessive hoops is probably enough for folks to give him a nod for pioneering a more comfortable future for developer relationships. Jobs is the front man for simple effective people connective design. For an industry that lives and dies on User Exeperience, guy's kind of a big deal.
Not to mention he's tied to, surprisingly sure, this platform and pricing model that has invigorated indie game development, and given some high profile evidence of alternate pricing models being crazy effective.
Heck, the fact that Apple makes their developer program SO accessible and devoid of excessive hoops is probably enough for folks to give him a nod for pioneering a more comfortable future for developer relationships. Jobs is the front man for simple effective people connective design. For an industry that lives and dies on User Exeperience, guy's kind of a big deal.
My ass. Why? A software distribution service? A handheld platform that does games? Touch screens? It was all done long before he did it. The only difference is that he was able to draw a larger crowd. How? By putting games on a cell phones. Something else that has already been done. If you ask me, he's done shit to influence the gaming industry other than make a popular handheld device.
@tubatic
You said kind of. Which is the point.
He may be an influence, maybe a big one, but definitely not the biggest.
You said kind of. Which is the point.
He may be an influence, maybe a big one, but definitely not the biggest.
What people here seem to be forgetting is that the games industry in the finiancial sense encompasses more than just what appeals to Destructoid readers. In terms of revenue generated from any sort of computer game then I would well believe that Steve Jobs was the biggest influence in recent years. You can argue all you want about how crap you think the games are or how it's not a dedicated gaming platform but it doesn't change the amount of hard cash that's been made from iOS gaming. That's why he topped that list.
There's no doubt that Jobs/iOS had AN impact on the industry, but saying he had the largest impact is downright retarded. It may even be fair to say he's had the largest impact in the last 1-2 years. But, it's just like the whole GOTY voting, everyone completely forgets about anything that didn't come out November or December.
@Wave
Didn't Nintendo already have a touchscreen in the middle of their handheld device? Three full years before the iPhone came out? Yes.
Didn't Nintendo already have a touchscreen in the middle of their handheld device? Three full years before the iPhone came out? Yes.
@TheNephilym
You don't have to innovate to influence or inspire. Guy pitched ideas like a champ. I think every developer wishes they could do that. Look at Miyamoto last year with that Skyward Sword on stage demo...
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You don't have to innovate to influence or inspire. Guy pitched ideas like a champ. I think every developer wishes they could do that. Look at Miyamoto last year with that Skyward Sword on stage demo...
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"...over 1,000 professionals at the London Games Conference..."
Yeah! Bullshit! What do these guys know!
Yeah! Bullshit! What do these guys know!
Jobs was a cool guy, and yes, Apple has done a fair bit for mobile gaming, but these results are just hilarious. Just... no.
You know, I think he shouldn't even break the top 5, iPhone is pushing it. Influential, yes, incredibly critical in comparison to all time, I don't think so. It may be at one point, and I admit how massive it is and that it's here to stay, but I think there's got to be 5 other things to outclass it. Somehow I feel this has to deal with who voted; apparently, something like 1,000 developers voted. I was staggered by that number, frankly, I didn't know that many were really present. However, considering the number and how the marketplace has been lately, something tells me a rather large number of those people are iOS devs. Just a hunch, a bit prejudiced at that; it just seems a likely scenario to me, and would sort of explain the whole thing.
I'm more surprised about Zuckerberg. I understand the social bit he's brought to the world at large and all the Facebook games, but if you're counting that it just seems to be about casual gaming and facilitation therein, and should have been more direct; like someone from Zynga, what with Farmville and all. I don't think Zuckerberg counts as a gaming influence, really; he facilitated it as of late, but I don't think he's as influential as, say, Bushnell, and if we're counting facilitation the PC should be the most important device because every game has at some point been coded on one as well as the incredible amount of amazing games it's seen, especially with what it did for gaming in the late 80s and 90s.
I'm more surprised about Zuckerberg. I understand the social bit he's brought to the world at large and all the Facebook games, but if you're counting that it just seems to be about casual gaming and facilitation therein, and should have been more direct; like someone from Zynga, what with Farmville and all. I don't think Zuckerberg counts as a gaming influence, really; he facilitated it as of late, but I don't think he's as influential as, say, Bushnell, and if we're counting facilitation the PC should be the most important device because every game has at some point been coded on one as well as the incredible amount of amazing games it's seen, especially with what it did for gaming in the late 80s and 90s.
@Chocken (nice avatar BTW)
You do have a point there. The App Store made $1.75 billion for Apple last year and that only 30% of all money spent in the App Store. Still, that's like saying Glee is more influential than the Beatles because they've sold more.
You do have a point there. The App Store made $1.75 billion for Apple last year and that only 30% of all money spent in the App Store. Still, that's like saying Glee is more influential than the Beatles because they've sold more.
Really now,I have nothing against Jobs and I begrudgingly admit the influence of the iStuff on the game industry ,but saying that he is more influential than people like Miyamoto,Newell,Baer and Kojima is just asinine.
I feel that if Steve Jobs hadn't died recently the results wouldn't have been the same,but who knows.
I feel that if Steve Jobs hadn't died recently the results wouldn't have been the same,but who knows.
Bullshit. Also, in the most polite way I can muster Jim, how dare you tell us gamers that we should just raise our asses into the air and let Apple give us a good pounding. I don't know about you guys, but I refuse to give Jobs credit he doesn't deserve.
Whatever this survey was, it's a complete farce and the so called "professionals" should do the industry a favor and leave. Especially if they're so enamored with their Apple god that they would considering someone like Jobs to be a bigger influence on gaming than the likes of Newell or Miyamoto.
The industry is in a damn sad place right now if this is how the professionals think.
Whatever this survey was, it's a complete farce and the so called "professionals" should do the industry a favor and leave. Especially if they're so enamored with their Apple god that they would considering someone like Jobs to be a bigger influence on gaming than the likes of Newell or Miyamoto.
The industry is in a damn sad place right now if this is how the professionals think.
It was well documented, that he didn't even like gaming? So for people in the gaming industry to put him up on a pedestal, just seems absurd to me, considering that he didn't even like their hobby. Apple getting into gaming was a happy accident, because they never meant for the apps store to become all about gaming, but it took off for them so they went with it. I'm sure Steve Jobs couldn't give a crap about these game developers, other than the ones that got up on stage at Apple events, just to kiss his ass!
@Jawmuncher
I totally agree.
Steve Job made a device. I think Benjamin Franklin really got the ball moving with the electricity thing.....
I totally agree.
Steve Job made a device. I think Benjamin Franklin really got the ball moving with the electricity thing.....
I agree with The Silent Protagonist, Kyogissun, Chongomaster, and the others that are critical of Apple and its "influence" on gaming. Yeah, it's undeniable that Apple and Steve Jobs have had a huge influence on gaming in the same way that we can't deny that reality TV shows like "The Real World," "Survivor," and "American Idol" have had a huge influence on TV or that the Tea Party has not had a huge influence on politics. The problem is that there is a difference between whether that influence is a good one or a bad one and in the case of this gaming survey, I feel that the two are being conflated.
Wait, what? Playstation at 3%? Miyamoto at 7%? These people are clearly morons and have forgotten just how important Miyamoto is to the history of video games. Not to mention the sales of the Playstation for it's time.
Obviously these professionals are not professionals of the history of video games.
Without Jobs or the iPod, gaming wouldn't be that much different (if different at all). However you take out Miyamoto, and you're removing his impact with not only Donkey Kong, but Super Mario Bros. That snowballs into the NES not bringing the video game industry back from the dead in the western market, which means we wouldn't be here discussing this today.
Obviously these professionals are not professionals of the history of video games.
Without Jobs or the iPod, gaming wouldn't be that much different (if different at all). However you take out Miyamoto, and you're removing his impact with not only Donkey Kong, but Super Mario Bros. That snowballs into the NES not bringing the video game industry back from the dead in the western market, which means we wouldn't be here discussing this today.
Is there a window of time that this "influence" is graded on? Because, well, Miyamoto is sort of a big deal if we're talking about "of all time".
I'm not going to debate the validity of iOS games as "games", but personally I think online connectivity with XBL/PSN did WAY more for the industry than being able to play Game Dev Story on the shitter.
I'm not going to debate the validity of iOS games as "games", but personally I think online connectivity with XBL/PSN did WAY more for the industry than being able to play Game Dev Story on the shitter.
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