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As a Linux user, I'm extremely hesitant to get excited about this. We've been hearing rumors of a Linux client for years, and almost always from the same source. Phoronix is the Gawker of Linux blogging, known for sensational headlines, sloppy writing, and questionable benchmark tests.
But I really hope it ends up being true this time.
But I really hope it ends up being true this time.
I hope more will follow valve best if everyone does so I can finally be liberated from M$ which keeps getting worse with windows 8 trying to force a app store upon you even if you don't want to it will still get in your way. While linux distro's have become more and more accessible. Reading the original article it seems that my opinion is not that different than that of Gabe on this. Really it would be best if everyone went linux with desktops, tablets, phones as that would only result in more flavors and better supported platforms still giving people all the choice they want without breaking compatibility. If someone wants something easy you can go with ubuntu which is actually easier for beginners than windows only if you want to get a bit more advanced does it get a bit more complicated. People wanting more freedom can still use other distro's while still enjoying compatibility. Linux is in the future the perfect solution. Not to mention most flavors are free. Compatibility will get even better now that Android and Linux Kernels are going to Re merge.
This should be awesome. I can't wait to run Steam on my Linux install without Radeon driver support.
and yes Phoronix is not the most well written/ accurate source but I do think Valve at least needs to get a escape route when windows is going to completely force its app store with windows 9 or windows 10 locking out steam forever. However on linux they have a lot more room and I bet they will get people to join them on linux. Remember Linux is slowly gaining terrain. First servers now companies and most likely desktops in the future to simply because its open source way of operating and its freedom make it very attractive for a lot more in the future.
@pocky I hear this a lot bad amd support however I have had hardly any issues with that on my laptop with a e350, even my older gpu in my htpc works fine with the latest catalyst drivers for linux.
@qlum: They'll probably be some hack within a month of Windows 8 release that gets rid of the app store, IDK why MS would even bother. Especially given their history of supporting app stores to begin with.
That's pretty awesome. I don't use Linux a lot, but I'm glad some great games will be coming to it. It's such an underated OS, and it's a great operating system too
Honestly, I've been thinking of actually trying to see how long I'd last if I replaced Windows with Linux. This gives me a really good reason to actually go through with that now.
OMG!!!! My entire living room has been flooded by the biggest nerdgasm I've ever had. Was it as good for you as it was for me Gabe? I think I'm still having aftershocks. A decent library and good reliability and I'll leave windows forever. Tell me about your commitment to OpenGl... I'm yours forever babe.
That's cool and all as I dumped the windows partition entirely many years ago. On the other hand, it was shitty DRM like Steam which was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion on PC gaming and there's not a chance I'll be installing it on my Linux setups.
What exactly is "shitty" about Steam DRM? I'd far rather have Steam DRM than 99% of other schemes. I know what you mean, PC gaming is in a ridiculous state at the moment, but I don't see Steam as contributing towards that. There are FAR worse. In fact, I actually find Steam incredibly convenient if anything...
YEEEEEES!
Unless there's a limited release on some of the games. Then I'll just use WINE or something.
Unless there's a limited release on some of the games. Then I'll just use WINE or something.
YEEEEEES!
Unless there's a limited release on some of the games. Then I'll just use WINE or something.
Unless there's a limited release on some of the games. Then I'll just use WINE or something.
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
Damn, man, MML3 getting it's 100k support, Soul Hackers announced for 3DS, and now STEAM ON LINUX? Dreams DO come true!
Damn, man, MML3 getting it's 100k support, Soul Hackers announced for 3DS, and now STEAM ON LINUX? Dreams DO come true!
@Stinky
I agree with you completely, but it's Linux. Think of how quickly people will find ways to play Steam games without Steam.
@Jinx
You mean the master race that doesn't own a single game they pay for? The master race that actually rents all their games from Valve and other companies, and can only play them when they have permission? Yeah, you enjoy that.
I agree with you completely, but it's Linux. Think of how quickly people will find ways to play Steam games without Steam.
@Jinx
You mean the master race that doesn't own a single game they pay for? The master race that actually rents all their games from Valve and other companies, and can only play them when they have permission? Yeah, you enjoy that.
Oh, and if you don't believe me, then disable your Internet connection, and then install and start playing a Steamworks game. Go ahead, I'll wait. Let me know how it goes when you get back. If Steam isn't DRM, then it should work without a hitch, right?
Let's not get sidetracked complaining about DRM... again. I hope this finally happens! If Valve is smart, and I'm sure they are, they'll be putting in some of the legwork on development tools to make transitioning from DirectX a little easier.
@Aequitas
Oh, I wasn't getting sidetracked. Someone stated his opinion, and he got called a whiny bitch by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. I simply addressed it.
Like I said earlier, I think Steam going to Linux is a great thing.
Oh, I wasn't getting sidetracked. Someone stated his opinion, and he got called a whiny bitch by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. I simply addressed it.
Like I said earlier, I think Steam going to Linux is a great thing.
@Pedrovay:
Do you have a backup of The Witcher 2's 16GB installer? If not, you are just as reliant on GoG to keep the game hosted for download as someone is of Steam to keep a game available. And GoG completely fucked updating my copy of the game, it won't even run now.
And don't tell me hard copies are better, many of them have very annoying DRM, disc-checks, online registration codes, etc.
And if my internet connection isn't working, not being able to install a Steamworks game is the LEAST of my freaking problems. And why you would buy a Steamworks game in a store is beyond me.
I can see how digital distribution would be poor for those with slow or unreliable internet connections, yeah. But you run into issues like that with console games where you need the new firmware to play a new game or Bluray. Singling out Steam for all this hate is ridiculous, especially when they do so much RIGHT.
Do you have a backup of The Witcher 2's 16GB installer? If not, you are just as reliant on GoG to keep the game hosted for download as someone is of Steam to keep a game available. And GoG completely fucked updating my copy of the game, it won't even run now.
And don't tell me hard copies are better, many of them have very annoying DRM, disc-checks, online registration codes, etc.
And if my internet connection isn't working, not being able to install a Steamworks game is the LEAST of my freaking problems. And why you would buy a Steamworks game in a store is beyond me.
I can see how digital distribution would be poor for those with slow or unreliable internet connections, yeah. But you run into issues like that with console games where you need the new firmware to play a new game or Bluray. Singling out Steam for all this hate is ridiculous, especially when they do so much RIGHT.
@Jinx
Yes, I do have a backup of the GOG Witcher 2 installer. It took a few minutes to make, and it was a one-time, never-requiring-the-Internet-again thing, too. Hell, I could lose my account information forever RIGHT NOW, and it would never make a difference.
I don't know what happened with your copy not working after an update, but that doesn't sound like a DRM thing -- Nothing like that ever happened to me with their games.
And trust me, I don't believe hard copies are better. I love the PC versions of Dead Space and Dead Space 2, but trust me, the DRM is just as bad. I do have the retail versions of those. And don't even get me started on Ubisoft's stuff.
The thing that I don't think you're getting (or maybe I'm just not conveying it well enough) is that I'm not singling out Steam as being like this -- I'm talking about ALL DRM. You're right, retail PC games are just as bad nowadays. The thing I'm always stunned by is that people actually put Steam on a pedestal when it's NO DIFFERENT than stuff like Origin or Games for Windows Live. There are people who've had just as many problems with Steam as those other two services, but EA and Microsoft are constantly chastised for their products. They operate under the exact same principles. I agree, Steam is awesome to use -- Hell, I log into it on a daily basis, just to see what new stuff is available. And I by no means DON'T use Steam -- I've got quite a few games on it, though I'm sure it's nowhere near what your library looks like. But the protection side of things is completely separate from the service side, and that's the problem I have.
The difference with console firmware updates is that whenever a new game requires an update to play, the update is ALWAYS on the disc. This is true of every console we currently have -- If you can't get online, the update is on the disc, ready to install itself if it hasn't been installed prior to the game's purchase. I've NEVER had a problem just throwing a game into a console and playing it this generation, Internet connection or not.
PCs may have a lot over consoles when it comes to gaming -- That's precisely the reason I bought the laptop that I did. But it's by absolutely NO means some kind of "master race." It has it's fair share of issues, just like consoles do. Just look at your own Witcher 2 update issues.
Yes, I do have a backup of the GOG Witcher 2 installer. It took a few minutes to make, and it was a one-time, never-requiring-the-Internet-again thing, too. Hell, I could lose my account information forever RIGHT NOW, and it would never make a difference.
I don't know what happened with your copy not working after an update, but that doesn't sound like a DRM thing -- Nothing like that ever happened to me with their games.
And trust me, I don't believe hard copies are better. I love the PC versions of Dead Space and Dead Space 2, but trust me, the DRM is just as bad. I do have the retail versions of those. And don't even get me started on Ubisoft's stuff.
The thing that I don't think you're getting (or maybe I'm just not conveying it well enough) is that I'm not singling out Steam as being like this -- I'm talking about ALL DRM. You're right, retail PC games are just as bad nowadays. The thing I'm always stunned by is that people actually put Steam on a pedestal when it's NO DIFFERENT than stuff like Origin or Games for Windows Live. There are people who've had just as many problems with Steam as those other two services, but EA and Microsoft are constantly chastised for their products. They operate under the exact same principles. I agree, Steam is awesome to use -- Hell, I log into it on a daily basis, just to see what new stuff is available. And I by no means DON'T use Steam -- I've got quite a few games on it, though I'm sure it's nowhere near what your library looks like. But the protection side of things is completely separate from the service side, and that's the problem I have.
The difference with console firmware updates is that whenever a new game requires an update to play, the update is ALWAYS on the disc. This is true of every console we currently have -- If you can't get online, the update is on the disc, ready to install itself if it hasn't been installed prior to the game's purchase. I've NEVER had a problem just throwing a game into a console and playing it this generation, Internet connection or not.
PCs may have a lot over consoles when it comes to gaming -- That's precisely the reason I bought the laptop that I did. But it's by absolutely NO means some kind of "master race." It has it's fair share of issues, just like consoles do. Just look at your own Witcher 2 update issues.
it is certainly beyond my original expectations bcbsnc
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