Square's franchise-pimping "new business model": Updated!

/cries

Does this mean we'll finally get a sequel to The Bouncer?

When it comes to remakes, I would definatly go for FF7 for the PS3... Also FF6, for the PS2 (i happen to think a true remake should be made on a console that's two generations ahead of the orginal... one generation isn't good enough, and 3 generations is too much effort than we could hope for)...

Grant it, for the most part i'm very "meh" about most spinoffs... the same goes for remakes that are make such minimal changes than the orginal game that they are barely worth remaking... Frankly, i would rather see Square use that same time and energy into making something new...

Square Soft > Square-Enix

Fuck SE

I agree with dissapointment... theres nothing original coming out...

the Enix of Square thinks they can make never-ending sequels like DQ... doesnt work like that bub.

I sure hope im not playing fucking panzy ass Zelda in FF for the next millenium on never ending sequels. make a original FF7 and just kill Cloud and move on.

Crunshii - as much as I loved Cloud in the 32bit days I think you're right. He needs killing. Though you do realise that would only propel him to that of legendary status within the gaming community... the fallen hero. That would create a "Jesus" of video games, if you will. He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! hahaha

As much as I want there to never be another FFVII game in any form, the original does need a remake to create a more definitive version for the ages. Those early 3D graphics and pre-rendered backgrounds really hurt your eyes. Even though technology would surpass that remake in time, it would at least not burn your eyes every time you attempted to play 10 years down the road.

That's pretty much the only spin-off remake I can support at this point, other than SquareEnix getting their old games, including FFI-FFVI, on the Virtual Console.

my opinion on the ff7 remake: i'd like to see it, but not on a sony system. put it out on the wii, as a big apology "we're sorry we ever left you" to nintendo, i say! i'm not exactly sure it needs the wiimote, but could you imagine how fun the motorcycle escape scene could be with that? steer with the chuck, slash with the 'mote? even if the motion sensing is only used for mini games (or you just 'point' at your combat options with the cursor), i'd still think a wii remake would be best.

that or 360. just please, please, square: realize that sony needs you more than you need them, and you can go anywhere with your remakes. sure, some people might buy a ps3 just for final fantasy, but not everyone, and it makes more sense to go where there already is a market, than try to make a game for a system that nobody can afford.

(i really, really don't want to have to buy a ps3. if final fantasy doesn't come out for other consoles, well..... one of two things happens: the series is dead for me, or i end up having my hand forced. the prior is more likely than the latter. and while we're talking about it: same goes for kingdom hearts!)

@Pangloss

I loved both CC and CT, taking that CC was in kinda like in another dimension it's not like CT never happened. The plot was very interesting with many twists, when i played it, i loved it.

wait, what is this? are these the same type of people that go to the movies to see the likes of resident evil 2, x-men 2, spider-man 2 (and looking forward to 3), star wars 2 - 6 ro whatever, etc., etc. seeing a pattern? hypocrites every one of you.

@uptonogood: You sir, are retarted. There's a difference between a story that is supposed to be FINAL and a continuing story.

dude,

can someone do a FF7 spinoff count for me? I think i dont have enough fingers on my hands & tows (n i was born with 11!).

Seriously, like many of you, I felt the warm magic of having a PS1 and getting that FF7 that october with a cloud T-shirt (which I still have right here next to me) BUT, SE is killing the friggin series, theres spinoff in cellphones, all next gen systems, psp, its getting so bad SE is making another sequel in my grandma's ass.

Anyone want to play? FF7 - Grannies ass adventures?

I bet the lifestream that comes out from there will kill cloud.

let's not forget indiana jones 2 and 3, back to the future 2 & 3, superman 2 - whatever + returns (sucks), rockys. most movies that get sequels weren't originally designed to get sequels.

let's not mention the countless books that are stand alone stories but have numerous sequels.

what's wrong sequels for established things? OH NO CREATIVITY GOING DOWNT THE DRAIN!! bullshit. everything made to sell was made to make money and that's the final way of things -- to feed the consumer. you're all bitching about absolutely dick.

@cjpkiller

Yeah, I know The Bouncer was shit. That's kinda what I was gunning for. Square Enix seems to do what they do extremely well. When they branch out it never seems that successful. Not recently at least.

On the Enix side of things, I'd like to see another Actraiser. Maybe for the DS. You could use the stylus for the world building stuff. Have Yuzo Koshiro come back and do the music for it. That would be killer.

@brad drac

I didn't think Episode 3 was bad, i was better than the others for sure.

Also, your Symbol of the Torment is cool :)

Christ people, FFVII wasn't as good as you remember it in the first place.

Fuck Square and the emo fags who think FF7 is anything more than FF6 in pseudo-3D.

Agreed with most of the sentiments. When Square-Enix started recycling prior worlds in FFX-2, I stopped caring. Final Fantasy XII was pretty good, but the spinoffs? Not buying them, not even renting them. Vote with your dollars. I'm all right with remakes, but spinoffs lack what draws me to FF games to begin with. There's something highly appealing about layering familiar game mechanics over a completely fresh new world to explore.

Although a Final Fantasy VII remake sounds like a good idea, I would wait for some in-depth review action or preferably hands-on experience with it before I dropped cash on it. I'd love to see it on the 360, though. That would move some systems in Japan.

@Linde: I hope you aren't proposing that either 8 or 9 is better. I liked 8, in spite of its flaws, but 9 was just boring as hell. Xenogears trumps all three however, IMHO.

I'd love square again if they'd only come out with a new original RPG, not final fantasy, not chronotrigger. Something compeltely new. Like what they did with Xenogears, it came out of nowhere, it was hardly advertised, but sold like nuts. Id love to play an original xenogears prequal or sequal by the same developers of the original game. Not that xenosaga ripoff crap.

I personally wouldn't have too much of a problem with this really, as long as they didn't seem to be also completely doing away with the practice of releasing an original, official game every two or three years or so. We'll see, but it sure seems like it. The problem is that all these sequels and remakes and such are certainly diluting the effort that could have instead been put into making a truly epic new game, assuming they even care about that at all any more. There's also such a thing as over saturating the market. And we're probably already at or past that point even now.

I think the thing that makes this whole scenario really weird though is the "Final Fantasy" name itself. Of course there's the whole "how can it be final when there's 13 of them and counting" gag. But beyond that, the fact that you do have these 13 games so far that are considered to be part of the same series (even though they really don't have anything to do with each other aside from maybe chocobos or something), and then you're taking two or three entries (so far) in that series of 13 games and making three or four spin-off games based on each of those... that's what's becoming weird and convoluted. If each of these games had been named separately and hadn't all been slapped with the "Final Fantasy" label, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion now, or at least it wouldn't be as weird.

But as it stands now, we've got Final Fantasy VII and then Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 and Final Fantasy XII and Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings and so on. What next? Final Fantasy X-2-2? Or maybe (Insert Some Lofty Sounding Title Here): Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII, which is some sort of spin-off of Dirge of Cerberus? Or perhaps Final Fantasy Compendium Anthology Collection Compilation Chronicles Origins Tactics Advance, which contains remakes of the remakes of the remakes of FF1 through FF6 and Tactics? But what I'm really waiting for is Final Fantasy: Xtreme Beach Quilt-Knitting or Final Fantasy: Pod Racing or maybe Golf: Final Fantasy or something like that. It is then, as with Mario, that Final Fantasy will really begin to shine, right? Right?! *crickets chirping*

But yeah, seriously though, I'd kill some fools for some Chrono Break. Speaking of the Chrono series, I think Chrono Cross worked because it wasn't just "Hey, let's take Crono and Frog and the rest and throw them into a new set of wacky adventures! It'll be great! Or better yet, let's just take Marle and Lucca, strip them down to their underwear, and add in a mysterious third female character! We can then throw in some new guy who looks like Crono but actually isn't, and give the other characters bit cameos, if they're lucky! It'll be so fucking awesome!" But, yet, it also wasn't "I know, let's take these completely new characters, in a completely new world, which is completely and totally unrelated to the original Chrono Trigger, aside perhaps from some token cute mascot or something and we'll call it Chrono Trigger II. That'll be so tight!"

Here's the real issue though... when are we going to see Final Fantasy: Dragon Quest (or maybe Dragon Quest: Final Fantasy)? We all know it's coming soon or later. It's only a matter of time.

No, no, you don't understand. Chrono Trigger was in truth the first Square-Enix game. Sakaguchi, Yuji, Toriyama. Instant masterpiece. Then comes Cross and only....corny-turned director Sakaguchi. And now, Sakaguchi is gone. Break won't do it, I can assure you. It make result in a good game but sure as hell it won't be a Chrono game.

@The CronoLink

That's a good point. Maybe it's for the best if Square-Enix doesn't touch the Chrono series with a ten-foot pole...

actually now that I think about it... its all our fault SE is making so many FF games... want to know why?

Because about 5years ago and beyond, every FF fanboy kept begging & asking for sequels for for FF7, and Squaresoft* said no, were keeping it at master piece, but after the whole "Spirits Within" budget drop of 150+mil they had no choice but to merge with Enix, then they still had some games coming out, but werent selling as much as they expected, so now they released what all fanboys wanted...

Never ending multiplatform games of FF7... so many that even if u played them all, there would still be pieces missing, and just leave doors open for more sequel games. I agree with someone above who said they do it all for profit, but you must understand, you must do it right or if your name looses credibility, & it will backfire.