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Square-Enix talks the future of Final Fantasy (hint: it may go on forever) photo

The irony here is palpable. In a recent interview with Gamasutra, Square-Enix producer Yoshinori Kitase spoke about the future of the Final Fantasy series, including the concern over the amounts of games coming out under the franchise name as of late. Here's what he had to say:

"Well, when it comes down to it, it's up to the fans' needs, and we don't feel that there's actually a certain number that we should stop at," he says.

"But each Final Fantasy series has a lot of unique characters, and a world, and we receive lots of feedback from fans, saying, 'We want to see more of this character!' or, 'We want to see more of this situation!' So, we take those into account, and try to create new side stories based on that. So we're not necessarily conscious of a certain limit that we have to stop at."

In other words, as long as it's financially profitable, no end is in sight. I suppose there's nothing wrong with that, but it does make the whole "Final" thing kind of moot. Producer Shinji Hashimoto commented on that concept as well:

"The term 'Final' in the title doesn't mean 'last,' but the teams behind it see it as a term for 'ultimate,' and as long as there are creators that are wanting to make Final Fantasy games, we will probably keep going."

Being an outspoken Square-Enix fan, you would think I would take this as good news, but I find myself thinking of Sonic and Mega Man, both being series that I feel eventually got tiresome because it was too much of the same (although Mega Man 9 is definitely a step in a unique direction). The recent releases under the Final Fantasy name seem to be exploring a lot of different genre ground (action, strategy RPG, etc), so it looks like they're doing it right, but I can't help but worry a bit that the potential to beat a dead horse is there, somewhere.

[Thanks, Joe]








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Zen Albatross's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 13:46
Zen Albatross
Hashimoto is full of shit. The game was originally called Final Fantasy because it was Square's last-ditch effort to stay in business after they declared backruptcy in the late 80's.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 13:47
wonky360
Final Fantasy has been overtaken in the ridiculous name honor by Infinite Undiscovery. I am away to watch Neverending Story 2.
Pacopaco's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 13:50
Pacopaco
What they really need to do is step back for a bit, examine the mountain of cliches that have infested all Final Fantasy games since VII (some go back further but most become cliches around VII), and start chiseling away at that.

I'm also very afraid that the letters Kitase and staff are listening to are the ones written by obsessed and starry-eyed fans who have no concept of objectivity and write horrible fan-fiction about said character(s) in said situation(s).
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 13:59
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
The only reason this troubles me is that I'm worried that Square-Enix will devote all their resources to FF and the few other popular series they have(like Kingdom Hearts), and we won't get another "The World Ends With You"(metaphorically speaking, I don't think TWEWY needs a sequal).

Seriously, what ever happened to the Squaresoft that was trying new things, being expirimental. Now all we see are rehashes and re-releases(and yet they're only now gonna re-release Chrono Trigger!? AND WHERE THE HELL IS MY SEIKEN DENSETSU 3(aka. Secret of Mana 2)!?)

(Damnit, I said I wasn't going to write a monthly musing for this month, but this post is starting to set me off on it.)
Lightthrower's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:05
Lightthrower
Hashimoto such a good bullshitter. He says "The term 'Final' in the title doesn't mean 'last,' but the teams behind it see it as a term for 'ultimate,' and as long as there are creators that are wanting to make Final Fantasy games, we will probably keep going.", but the first Final Fantasy was supposed to be the last game Sakaguchi direct.

"Final Fantasy was developed during Square's brush with bankruptcy in 1987. In a display of gallows humor, director Hironobu Sakaguchi declared that his "final" game would be a "fantasy" role-playing game, hence the title.[8]"
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:11
Darren Nakamura
I'd throw this one up for a Captain Obvious. As long as we keep buying them, they'll keep making them.
Keriaku's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:17
Keriaku
It's not that Hashimoto is 'bullshiting', that 'Final' in the title then might have meant that, but has since evolved into what they see it as now. I don't see anything wrong with that.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:24
aaronf
I wish someone could tell me wether the FFXIII main character is male or female. You never can tell with these games. I want to say female, but I've been surprised before (and I live in Los Angeles!).
Lightthrower's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:29
Lightthrower
There are 3 FFXIII games. The heroine from FFXIII is a female and is named Lightning. In FFXIII Versus, the hero is male and i don't know his name. I know nothing about the other other, FFXIII Agito.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:32
Cowboy TTop
Dear Square Enix

Have you ever heard that euro tale called The Emperor's New Clothes? Right now SE are the clothes sellers and the hypnotised FF fan the Emperor.

While some of us liked those clothes for a while, (myself included), many of us see that the regular changing of clothes is good for body, mind and soul.

SE, you stink right now, FF are the clothes that need changing real bad. So jaded are you buy the smell of fanboy letters, funk and money, that you can see the real big picture.

True, just like Sonic and Mario, FF seriously needs a break. I fear that because of the smell of fanboy bucks, Square will continue to not innovate like they once did, and push out the FF boat. Such a shame and the very reason I now look to Atlus, Spike, Mistwalker, Nippon Ichi etc for something different. On top of those developers, western developers are now mounting a significant challenge with Mass Effect (while not perfect), Fable 2 etc.

Don't bullshit us Square. If Atlus can create totally new stuff like Trauma Center and do Persona series too, you have no excuses. We applaud you giving fans what they want, but there needs to be balance in your work.

How I yearn for the Square, that created such hits like Chrono, and convinced me to make the rpg leap. Like old Bravo Team's Kenneth J Sullivan from RE, they are a mere shadow of their former selves.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 14:49
Dan CiTi
goddammit Lightning is hot.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 15:07
Syn
I think it would be nice if SE ended the Final Fantasy series by making one super-long over-arching game with new characters that touches on every Final Fantasy game and ultimately ends them all at the end.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 15:33
Kaspar
Lol'd at "Unique".
Stringbean's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 15:38
Stringbean
I'm confused. How can Mega Man 9 be term "unique"? I mean, I get the whole retro thing, but it is the ultimate in rehashing what "used to work".
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 15:59
mix
I agree with Dexter as long as we keep shelling out they will continue to make.

Why stop something that makes millions? It's a business....
Blind assassin's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 16:04
Blind assassin
I'd actually like to see what the reaction would be if they ended the "Final Fantasy" name and continued the same basic IP under a new title that isn't as blindly ironic as a last ditch, one shot effort to stave off bankruptcy being the primary cash cow of a company that plans to make a literally endless stream of titles under the same name.

I really have no desire to see the franchise killed or anything though. They developed a strong underlying framework that has yet to turn out a game worse than "not that great". Even FF X-2 was decent enough and was more of a blight on the FF franchise and a rather moronic premise than a poorly made game.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 16:08
MechaMonkey
Lightning? Her name is actually Lightning?

If that's what they've resorted to, then I hope this is the final Fantasy.
groebo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 16:49
groebo
so... what you are trying to tell me is there is nothing in the works for a final final fantasy...
Phish's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 17:20
Phish
As a gamer, I would be sad to see any FF game promoted as the last FF ever made. This may seem childish, or easy to please, but I don't want the FF series to ever end.
Jiffylube's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 17:29
Jiffylube
I love final fantasy. I love SE. It breaks my heart that I have to pay the same price for FF13 that I paid for FF A2. How long can they continue to justify charging exactly the same price for every game on the shelves. I blame piracy on this.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 18:00
Cowboy TTop
Shael, careful there, I understand where you coming from but Capcom and Square are two different beasts. Why? I'll elaborate.

Like any developer, Capcom will naturally build on the IP, everyone does this in the industry. The trick is juggling the fine line between drought and overkill of any IP. Capcom are masters at this, giving us stuff we want (SFIV, XBL, PSN games etc) but not relying only on those old IP. At the same time, Capcom are smartly outsourcing, creating Bionic Commando, Dark Void etc. Sega are wisely also following this new thinking.

Square are stuck in the former model, where building upon established IP constantly has them trapped in a vicious cycle. They fail to create and push new IP enough (just look at the poor advertising for TWEWY on DS for example). Its almost as if Square are scared of creating new IP without the FF name on it. Such lack of vision might only end up hurting them.

On top of that, many Square actions leave me baffled, like selling the FFXIII demo (pure greed, as demo are supposed to be free, so that you spend later on the game) or not releasing FFXIII on 360 in japan (even a made to order system would be better than nothing, for 360 japanese gamers, this is a total cock block so Sony get their way with the PS3 cut, and a degree of japanese favouritism if you will).

I've lost a lot of faith in Square, strangely in a similar way like I have with Nintendo, that while their games are usually good and cool, i want something different that they fail to provide anymore (they once knew how, but have lost their way, a thing called variety).

To finalise all I can say is that unless Square buck up their ideas, I'll be skipping their games. Never thought I'd ever say that.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 18:03
Capn Birdseye
I don't get the hate. I am definitely not a JRPG nut, but if they dropped the Final Fantasy title, there wouldn't be any problems, would there?

I am just saying its silly getting worked up over a title. The games barely have anything to do with each other at all, its like complaining that Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and the other Mistwalker one are all part of a series that won't die.
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/03/2008 19:59
GohanGVO
Nowadays, I tend to look at 'Final Fantasy' as less of a series and more of a label due to the various genres that have adorned those two words on their covers.

'Kingdom Hearts' is currently undergoing the same 'label creation' treatment with three games being in production right now (and we all know 'KH3' is coming).

But, with three next-gen jRPGs ('TLR,' 'SO4' and 'IU' - albeit only one is being made in-house) and three new DS IPs ('Nanashi no Game,' 'Sigma Harmonics' and 'TWEWY') I think the company is turning things around a bit.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/04/2008 06:12
Cube
God the series started sucking since final fantsy 7.

just die already, how many japanese fanboys are going to keep buying thsee things?

It is worse than all the kida buying USA pop star music.
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