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I hope SquareEnix wins, seriously. This is their IP, their date, their demo, their work, like how I decide who I let into my house, they get to decide who plays it.
While I agree this is a bad thing. I don't understand how a press demo being leaked could be financially damaging to a company, unless of course anyone who played the demo that may have bought the game now won't be... in which case I think Square Enix has bigger problems to deal with.
I don't think money is is the issue or the main purpose of the suit. It's more like a fine or a penalty. Also, I hope they have to pay every cent of it.
$5000?
That's it? Square Enix? They're notorious for squeezing every penny out of fans who make NON PROFIT mods, much less pirates. They must have something up their sleeve haha.
That's it? Square Enix? They're notorious for squeezing every penny out of fans who make NON PROFIT mods, much less pirates. They must have something up their sleeve haha.
good for square. and I'm glad they are seeking a reasonable sum. Enough to be a punishment, but not enough to turn someone into a debt slave
Am I the only one who thinks that someone's hacked DToid and posted this?
The measly $5000 aside, but "They claims copyright infringement and seeks damages in excess of $5000 from the group of 15 Italians."
They claims? They seeks? Grammar much lately?! :S
The measly $5000 aside, but "They claims copyright infringement and seeks damages in excess of $5000 from the group of 15 Italians."
They claims? They seeks? Grammar much lately?! :S
$5000 seems like a realistic ammount if you're going after individuals. Enough to hurt but not enough to actually fuck up anything. They only leaked a game afterall.
Perhaps $5000 is the minimum fine for copyright infringement in Italy? I don't know nor did I take the time to google my query to find out. Regardless, it's not like Square Enix can demand an incredibly large amount. They have no data to backup how much this leaked demo would damage day one sales. In fact, it may have increased interest in the final product since it's an incomplete build of a portion of the game that may or may not change. I know I've stayed far away from the leaked version and any videos of it. I want to experience this game in its full glory when it releases in August.
Sounds like a token fine. Which I am 'fine' *chortle* with. Yes, those 15 Italians did wrong so need to be punished, but the leak will only have increased anticipation and exposure for the full game. A punitive fine as a cautionary tale to others seems okay to me.
If anything, that leak is only making Squenix more money. I understand why they're suing, but all that leaked stuff did was give them great publicity and secure pre-orders. The games quality speaks for itself.
It's a press demo. The people they give it to are SPECIFICALLY told what works and what doesn't, and what will be changed, etc. The douchebag who downloads a leaked demo doesn't know this and bashes and spoils the game for everyone.
Uh, shouldn't they be suing the magazine which leaked the details, not the people who used the information? Both this and the Eurogamer article make it sound like these guys found information on how to get the demo from the magazine itself, not through hacking or anything else.
If so, I find it pathetic that SquareEnix even had this problem. It was pretty damned lazy of them, it sounds like. One download code or URL which could be shared repeatedly? How in the flying fuck was that supposed to be secure? Why not generate, say, 1500 codes which allow for a single download each and then have your marketing people send them out to members of the press?
Did they really expect this not to happen?
Internet security, how does it work!?
If so, I find it pathetic that SquareEnix even had this problem. It was pretty damned lazy of them, it sounds like. One download code or URL which could be shared repeatedly? How in the flying fuck was that supposed to be secure? Why not generate, say, 1500 codes which allow for a single download each and then have your marketing people send them out to members of the press?
Did they really expect this not to happen?
Internet security, how does it work!?
If SquareEnix is going to take the step of suing hackers/pirates...then I just hope that they are prepared for the wave of hacking that will likely ensue - look at what happened to Sony.
Still... I'm happy to see some companies out there with the balls to pursue events like this, rather than cower out of fear of retaliation.
Go SquareEnix!! Hope they win.
Still... I'm happy to see some companies out there with the balls to pursue events like this, rather than cower out of fear of retaliation.
Go SquareEnix!! Hope they win.
Kick 'em in the nuts, help them to their feet and send them along their merry way. Glad Square isn't just shooing them off or butchering them.
They should be giving those guys the $5000, that demo won over a lot of people. Especially people who thought the game was going to be a repeat of IW.
Also, didn't reserve copy sales go up after the demo was leaked?
Also, didn't reserve copy sales go up after the demo was leaked?
I wonder why they are doing that, that build generated such positive word of mouth. Tried it, loved it, pre ordered the augmented edition!
A litle disappointed to hear this. The demo actually changed my mind about the game. I planned to completely ignore or pirate it, but after seeing how good it is I plan to buy it. I mean, its still. Sony's right but I don't think the level of publicity they got from the game's leak should really count as damages.
This is REALLY bad PR for them. They not only encouraged people to download it and share their impressions, but they now have a hype engine in motion that wouldn't exist without this leak. Fuck em.
@Elsa:
This is a little different. The Deus Ex demo that was distributed was obtained illegally, whereas the PS3 keys were obtained through 100% legal means.
This is a little different. The Deus Ex demo that was distributed was obtained illegally, whereas the PS3 keys were obtained through 100% legal means.
It is a little bit odd that they are doing this considering how much good publicity the leaked BETA provided. Perhaps that is why they are only suing for 5000$.
Hm. Strange. I have a friend who downloaded an alpha of the game, not a demo, but a functioning playthrough of the game. Its missing polish and even some animation and things in places, but its a functional shell of the game.
They've been getting good response from the leaked build, so if any thing they are only suing for 5 thousand simply for the reason that they don't want to look like they support the act, even though they secretly are happy about the response from people. Just my two cents.
After playing the Alpha version of this game for 20 minutes it caused me to close it and pre-order it on Steam instantly. The leak only did good things for Square.
"Hey guys, our security sucks ass. Let's take it out on these guys that totally took advantage of our impotence. While we're at it, let's demand money even though this didn't actually hurt our pocket book in any-way-shape-or-form. Fuck yeah, lawsuit."
$5000 is such a realistic amount that it makes me want to support Square-Enix without even knowing the facts. A corporation *not* calling for hundreds of thousands of dollars?
Though I'm not sure how the facts would fall out... The guys that leaked it were obviously in the wrong. But what about the magazine? Were they guilty of only letting people know that there was a press-only demo, or did they give out more information? And what of Square-Enix itself? Did they do what they needed to do to make sure a press-only demo was really press-only, or was it a case of "If you knew it was there, then anyone could get it with minimal effort?"
Though I'm not sure how the facts would fall out... The guys that leaked it were obviously in the wrong. But what about the magazine? Were they guilty of only letting people know that there was a press-only demo, or did they give out more information? And what of Square-Enix itself? Did they do what they needed to do to make sure a press-only demo was really press-only, or was it a case of "If you knew it was there, then anyone could get it with minimal effort?"
$5000?
Good to see that they're not like the music industry, who demands like $50,000 per song downloaded.
Good to see that they're not like the music industry, who demands like $50,000 per song downloaded.
I would personally like to thank the people who leaked the preview. It was probably one of the most amazing experiences I ever had and I personally preordered the Augmented Edition immediately after finishing the preview. I personally know of many other people who did the exact same thing.
SE, you have to admit that the people who leaked your game just got you a crap ton of money. However, the way the laws are set up, if you don't aggressively defend your IPs, you can lose your power over them. As a libertarian, I'm very opposed to IPs, copyrights, trademarks, etc, but I can understand why companies defend them given their long-term value.
SE, you have to admit that the people who leaked your game just got you a crap ton of money. However, the way the laws are set up, if you don't aggressively defend your IPs, you can lose your power over them. As a libertarian, I'm very opposed to IPs, copyrights, trademarks, etc, but I can understand why companies defend them given their long-term value.
I don't really have an opinion on this.
On the one hand, Square Enix PR are batshit fucking mental. I remember when they served cease and desist notices on fansites for putting up FFX-2 screenshots released to press, that press had posted in the public. I have also heard of them being fucking retarded at press events, winding up press and limiting access to promotional media for no reason.
On the other hand, there is good cause for them not wanting public access to this demo - I have heard that eidos montreal is putting the time they got from the release delay to good use, fixing some jank and enviroment bullshit that was drawing criticism in earlier builds.
On the one hand, Square Enix PR are batshit fucking mental. I remember when they served cease and desist notices on fansites for putting up FFX-2 screenshots released to press, that press had posted in the public. I have also heard of them being fucking retarded at press events, winding up press and limiting access to promotional media for no reason.
On the other hand, there is good cause for them not wanting public access to this demo - I have heard that eidos montreal is putting the time they got from the release delay to good use, fixing some jank and enviroment bullshit that was drawing criticism in earlier builds.
Maybe they are only suing for 5k to get attention on the leak. Getting a leaked demo before the release time is a bit exciting. AND it wouldn't make the blogs if they did nothing. So maybe they just paid 15k to somebody to leak and be sued for 5. Cheap marketing.
For a press DEMO to be leaked isn't a big shocker. With the recent leaks, namely Crysis 2 and Duke Nukem Forever, I think that this is out of hand. Squareenix would make no money what so ever of a DEMO for starters. Secondly, If the accusations were brought to the legal system on the count of fraud, that would be more understandable than screaming "YOU STOLE A DEMO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OUT ONLY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. WE LOST MONEY SOMEHOW.(insert complete BS here)".
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