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Does the vita have storage space? I was under the impression that all games would require memory cards.
Nerolsonfire: All retail PSV games have save slots. You only need a memory card to have DD PSV/PSP games.
I thought all along that Vita game carts had space for game saves as well as room for any potential DLC. If that's no longer the case and we will need memory cards to save data, that'll may a major turn-off for me.
I always buy physical games rather than digital so the memory card price isn't really a problem right now, let's hope it stays that way.
I always buy physical games rather than digital so the memory card price isn't really a problem right now, let's hope it stays that way.
@Neroisonfire: (at least originally) The memory sticks that the games came on has space for saves and such. What the situation is now is unknown.
Having no internal storage and proprietary cards is ridiculous in this day and age, I mean people give Nintendo hell for much less than that. It also means the Vita is just as expensive as it was expected to be.
Sony have always had a larger online focus, but with a messed up storage system how can the Vita take advantage of that?
So much for downloadable PSP games...
Wierd box art change, but it's not unheard of. One would hope that all games can save to the flash card/sticks itself.
Sony have always had a larger online focus, but with a messed up storage system how can the Vita take advantage of that?
So much for downloadable PSP games...
Wierd box art change, but it's not unheard of. One would hope that all games can save to the flash card/sticks itself.
A while back they said all saves will be on the sticks.
@Dr-Peace, nintendo hasn't gotten hell for much worse. At least sony managed to design a good handheld in the first place before the bad decisions lol.
@Dr-Peace, nintendo hasn't gotten hell for much worse. At least sony managed to design a good handheld in the first place before the bad decisions lol.
Funny i just wrote an article about this http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/de5gravity/the-disillusion-of-the-ps-vita-212675.phtml /totallypimpingmyblog
Ah cool thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea what format the games came on.
I have a feeling I'll get a vita at some point. If it lasts half as long as the psp, I know I will. Just a matter of having the money for one. :(
I have a feeling I'll get a vita at some point. If it lasts half as long as the psp, I know I will. Just a matter of having the money for one. :(
"The more optimistic among us believe the first box was an honest mistake, while the suspicious-minded believe companies have been asked not to advertise the expensive requirement."
It's probably a little bit of both.
My guess would be that the game saves progress to the cart, but requires a Memory Card for DLC.
Sony probably means the sticker for games that do require the Memory Card to run, like say an MMO, and Square made the mistake of placing the sticker believing that all Memory Card requirements, even secondary ones like DLC, had to be displayed on the box.
So, an honest mistake with a wee-bit of misleading advertizing?
It's probably a little bit of both.
My guess would be that the game saves progress to the cart, but requires a Memory Card for DLC.
Sony probably means the sticker for games that do require the Memory Card to run, like say an MMO, and Square made the mistake of placing the sticker believing that all Memory Card requirements, even secondary ones like DLC, had to be displayed on the box.
So, an honest mistake with a wee-bit of misleading advertizing?
I'd say mistake.
If it does require a memory stick, then it also requires the warning on the box.
Simples.
If it does require a memory stick, then it also requires the warning on the box.
Simples.
Jim:
You shouldn't cause such alarm among your readers before informing yourself properly.
The official Twitter of the game said that the Memory Card is required for the DOWNLOAD VERSION only. So the packaged version will not need any memory, since it will save directly on the game card.
The news broke more than 9 hours ago on Andriasang.com
Hope this solves the doubts of anyone else wondering about this.
Best!
You shouldn't cause such alarm among your readers before informing yourself properly.
The official Twitter of the game said that the Memory Card is required for the DOWNLOAD VERSION only. So the packaged version will not need any memory, since it will save directly on the game card.
The news broke more than 9 hours ago on Andriasang.com
Hope this solves the doubts of anyone else wondering about this.
Best!
Hmm I wonder if this memory card issue will actually be an issue. Or if it is just being all blown out of proportion.
Yes I understand it is fucking stupid to use a memory card only compatible with vita but we havnt even had confirmation on price or what they look like. Yet people fucking blow up over japanese conversion that ALWAYS not end up being what it actually costs. Ill rage when I actually get proof of what it costs.
Yes I understand it is fucking stupid to use a memory card only compatible with vita but we havnt even had confirmation on price or what they look like. Yet people fucking blow up over japanese conversion that ALWAYS not end up being what it actually costs. Ill rage when I actually get proof of what it costs.
"I am inclined toward saying it was a mistake..."
oh shit, i think Jim's been "replicated". the invasion begins..
has Sony still not announced what they'll be charging for Vita games? like the proprietary memory cards, im expecting them to be just as prohibitively expensive ($50+ range).
oh shit, i think Jim's been "replicated". the invasion begins..
has Sony still not announced what they'll be charging for Vita games? like the proprietary memory cards, im expecting them to be just as prohibitively expensive ($50+ range).
it was already confirmed that memory card will be mandatory for all Vita features and most games(especially those that will have online multiplayer or DLC). Army Corps is a budget title and i think it only has local multiplayer via wifi.
@carg0 Gamestop has the games listed at $39.99 (Uncharted,LBP,etc)
I've seen Sony mention that all games will be able to save to the card,or cloud, but that still doesn't help me that much.
I have a ton of PSP,and PS1 downloads I'd like to play. I'm hoping they release Memory card prices soon so I know if I need a second job or not.
I've seen Sony mention that all games will be able to save to the card,or cloud, but that still doesn't help me that much.
I have a ton of PSP,and PS1 downloads I'd like to play. I'm hoping they release Memory card prices soon so I know if I need a second job or not.
Eh, so far the vita games seem to be the same price as psp games. At least that's what preorders are set at. Development costs are about the same anyway.
Doesn't the 3DS do this with some games? At least Nintendo gives you one, though. For Sony's prices, if any game requires a memory stick, I'm not buying the game. Simple as that.
@MCBattery
they announced card prices a while back:
4GB = 2,200yen ($29)
8GB = 3,200yen ($42)
16GB = 5,500yen ($72)
32GB = 9,500yen ($124)
they announced card prices a while back:
4GB = 2,200yen ($29)
8GB = 3,200yen ($42)
16GB = 5,500yen ($72)
32GB = 9,500yen ($124)
@KingSigy
The problem isn't that games require external memory to work.
The problem is the PSV uses a propietary format that, as far as we know, is very expensive compared to more common memory solutions including Sony's own Memory Sticks.
The problem isn't that games require external memory to work.
The problem is the PSV uses a propietary format that, as far as we know, is very expensive compared to more common memory solutions including Sony's own Memory Sticks.
@carg0 I know about that,but the actual US dollar amount is almost always a bit less than the yen conversion.
Sony stated in an official press release that some games will require a seperate memory card for saving game files. From andriasang:
"Sony says that Vita games deal with data in two ways depending on the title. Some save game directly to the game card. Others require a memory card. You'll be able to determine which is which by logos on the packaging."
"Sony says that Vita games deal with data in two ways depending on the title. Some save game directly to the game card. Others require a memory card. You'll be able to determine which is which by logos on the packaging."
I was under the impression that Vita cards had their own damn memory... what's the point of having card based games if they don't have save slots?
One theory I have is that some games are to big to allow seperate saves on the game cart itself. Think about how much memory a game like Uncharted or FFX must take up.
Another theory is just as likely: Money.
Another theory is just as likely: Money.
@Ronin4life
early reports indicated that 5-10% of the writeable space will be reserved for save data, patches.
we are talking about 400mb for the 4gb card.
Probably some DLC might exceed that and needed the extra memory
early reports indicated that 5-10% of the writeable space will be reserved for save data, patches.
we are talking about 400mb for the 4gb card.
Probably some DLC might exceed that and needed the extra memory
@carg0
Meant to point out, if you want a more accurate estimate for our price when converting game related stuff from yen to dollars, always just move the decimal two places to the left of the original announced price.
For example, 24980 yen = 249.80 dollars
Meant to point out, if you want a more accurate estimate for our price when converting game related stuff from yen to dollars, always just move the decimal two places to the left of the original announced price.
For example, 24980 yen = 249.80 dollars
If the memory cards are only for dlc and patches, why not specify it in detail?
Sony wouldn't want to cause confusion over what could be a big deal.
Sony wouldn't want to cause confusion over what could be a big deal.
Sorry for the remark, but if you look at my comment, I point out how it does in fact convert to $325, which is $75 more than our announced launch price, $250.
The second examples served to illustrate how conversion is handled within the industry.
The second examples served to illustrate how conversion is handled within the industry.
@Ronin4life also keep in mind that for smaller game like Army Corps will come on a 2gb card.
that will give it about 200mb only for the save data and patches.
The system isn't out yet all this confusion is expected to get cleared up on time.
that will give it about 200mb only for the save data and patches.
The system isn't out yet all this confusion is expected to get cleared up on time.
@Nerosionfire
I think your about right, but i'm thinking the numbers will more rounded. 20$ for the smallest, for example.
I think your about right, but i'm thinking the numbers will more rounded. 20$ for the smallest, for example.
Not to tute my own horn but, I am an encyclopedia of PS Vita knowledge. I have been reading up on it since way back before the device was even known as the NGP and was just a Quad-core processor allegedly code-named as "hydra".
If any of you want, you can ask me in this comment thread a question related to the PS Vita and I will try and answer it for you to the best of my ability. :)
I will probably only have time to answer one question.
If any of you want, you can ask me in this comment thread a question related to the PS Vita and I will try and answer it for you to the best of my ability. :)
I will probably only have time to answer one question.
@Ronin4life
The filesize of saves is actually pretty small most of the time.
It depends on how the game handles the "state" you are when you save.
Most of them work with "flags", that is, the game itself already knows all the possible things that can occur and assigns each one of them a flag that determines if it is in an "on/off" state, ans the savefile only has the status of these flags, and is therefore small.
Games with lots of customization, on the other hand, have large savefiles because they need to save a lot of info that is exclusive to your own game session. A game like Minecraft, for example, that randomly generates the gameworld as you play, has an increasingly larger savefile.
The filesize of saves is actually pretty small most of the time.
It depends on how the game handles the "state" you are when you save.
Most of them work with "flags", that is, the game itself already knows all the possible things that can occur and assigns each one of them a flag that determines if it is in an "on/off" state, ans the savefile only has the status of these flags, and is therefore small.
Games with lots of customization, on the other hand, have large savefiles because they need to save a lot of info that is exclusive to your own game session. A game like Minecraft, for example, that randomly generates the gameworld as you play, has an increasingly larger savefile.
@Afrit
I think some games will require a memory card for saving game files, but regardles, time will tell, and people should take all info unveiled before release with a grain of salt.
I think some games will require a memory card for saving game files, but regardles, time will tell, and people should take all info unveiled before release with a grain of salt.
@handhelds4ever
I was going to ask you about the western release date, but I thought it's not yet recorded on your encyclopedia :P
My question is.. why they changed the initial design of the vita?
I like the new design, I'm just wandering ....
I was going to ask you about the western release date, but I thought it's not yet recorded on your encyclopedia :P
My question is.. why they changed the initial design of the vita?
I like the new design, I'm just wandering ....
Initially, it had been reported the quad core processors found in some PS Vita dev kits where causing a considerable amount of heat in the palms of developers. This was likely due to the thin lower half in the slider model dev kit and the over all design of how processors dissipate heat.
No one has really reported on lowering of specs in the clocked rate, RAM department, etc (except for one confusion from Novarama dev that was later clarified) so it would appear that the brick design simply allowed for Sony engineers to layout out the motherboard in such a way that it did not cause such amount of heat to be felt on people hands.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/11/17/psp2-dev-kit-snaps-show-twin-sticks-trackpad/
No one has really reported on lowering of specs in the clocked rate, RAM department, etc (except for one confusion from Novarama dev that was later clarified) so it would appear that the brick design simply allowed for Sony engineers to layout out the motherboard in such a way that it did not cause such amount of heat to be felt on people hands.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/11/17/psp2-dev-kit-snaps-show-twin-sticks-trackpad/
@handhelds4ever
ah, that makes sense. I usually feel the heat when Playing a graphically intensive game on a smartphone.
Thanks, you do know a lot about the Vita :)
ah, that makes sense. I usually feel the heat when Playing a graphically intensive game on a smartphone.
Thanks, you do know a lot about the Vita :)
@Fr33Kye
Well the fact that they are releasing an online capable machine with NO internal storage doesn't sound like good design to me, it's also a bit large for a handheld. So it's flawed before it even releases by the looks of things.
The Wii always had SOME internal storage, the DSi and the 3DS also. You could actually DOWNLOAD games/apps from the online stores WITHOUT needing to buy anything extra. That seems to be impossible with the Vita, as it has no storage of any kind out of the box.
And yes, the nub cradle for the 3DS is ridiculous, nobody even asked for it.
Well the fact that they are releasing an online capable machine with NO internal storage doesn't sound like good design to me, it's also a bit large for a handheld. So it's flawed before it even releases by the looks of things.
The Wii always had SOME internal storage, the DSi and the 3DS also. You could actually DOWNLOAD games/apps from the online stores WITHOUT needing to buy anything extra. That seems to be impossible with the Vita, as it has no storage of any kind out of the box.
And yes, the nub cradle for the 3DS is ridiculous, nobody even asked for it.
My main reason for getting a Vita is to play old PSP and PS1 games. Do not get me wrong, I am excited for Vita games, but I sure hope they release the final prices of the memory cards soon. It may determine if I pick it up next year or upgrade my computer.
@Afrit:
Yeah, I am not an engineer or even big student of these subjects, tbh. I just do this whole researching stuff in my spare time. If I am wrong, I would not mind being corrected. (a long as people do not curse or throw bad words at me!) :3
As for your phone, I believe the three main things to take into consideration are chip size, clock rate and the program being used. The CPU/GPU size (in nano-meters) will tell a lot about the kind of voltage would be required to run through it. The clock rate is fueled by voltage applied to the CPU/GPU. Lastly, the programs which tell the processor what to do will all play a role (and games on non-dedicated handhelds are ordered to be slightly less "important" in certain API; compared to core OS functions/modules). That's my summary of that stuff. :p
(At last check) The PS Vita uses a Samsung Soc design fabricated via an 45nm die. Programs for the device are low-level API (for its main systems SDK). Stuff like digital PSP games, PS Suite apps and, multimedia will likely use up less processing power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4553/samsung-to-manufacture-ps-vita-cpu
The clock speed for the PS Vita is not known but, it will be well below 2Ghz and likely above 1Ghz. Oh and, there are four cores which enables more multi-threading/multi-tasking and require less applied voltage (to achieve a certain clock speed). =D
@Im The Singer in Symphony X:
I have glanced over a few posts by that user (while looking at PS Vita articles posted on DTOID) but, I am not that individual (or one of his or her online personas). Also, this is probably my second or third ever comment on a DTIOD article and I am just an average dude, not a Sony "inside scoop" person.
Uh, what else? I might answer another question. I am not sure how these comments work though (aside from the article dies out due to unpopularity in hits/comments). If this comment thread can close, do not PM me. I never respond to that stuff. NOW OR NEVER! :U
Yeah, I am not an engineer or even big student of these subjects, tbh. I just do this whole researching stuff in my spare time. If I am wrong, I would not mind being corrected. (a long as people do not curse or throw bad words at me!) :3
As for your phone, I believe the three main things to take into consideration are chip size, clock rate and the program being used. The CPU/GPU size (in nano-meters) will tell a lot about the kind of voltage would be required to run through it. The clock rate is fueled by voltage applied to the CPU/GPU. Lastly, the programs which tell the processor what to do will all play a role (and games on non-dedicated handhelds are ordered to be slightly less "important" in certain API; compared to core OS functions/modules). That's my summary of that stuff. :p
(At last check) The PS Vita uses a Samsung Soc design fabricated via an 45nm die. Programs for the device are low-level API (for its main systems SDK). Stuff like digital PSP games, PS Suite apps and, multimedia will likely use up less processing power.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4553/samsung-to-manufacture-ps-vita-cpu
The clock speed for the PS Vita is not known but, it will be well below 2Ghz and likely above 1Ghz. Oh and, there are four cores which enables more multi-threading/multi-tasking and require less applied voltage (to achieve a certain clock speed). =D
@Im The Singer in Symphony X:
I have glanced over a few posts by that user (while looking at PS Vita articles posted on DTOID) but, I am not that individual (or one of his or her online personas). Also, this is probably my second or third ever comment on a DTIOD article and I am just an average dude, not a Sony "inside scoop" person.
Uh, what else? I might answer another question. I am not sure how these comments work though (aside from the article dies out due to unpopularity in hits/comments). If this comment thread can close, do not PM me. I never respond to that stuff. NOW OR NEVER! :U
I have to say that "Army Corps of Hell" is a ridiculously generic and lazy name for a game that is probably ridiculously lazy and generic douchebag fare.
They made a sexy little machine and then they just had to ugly it the fuck up before anyone got on in their hands didn't they
weird... Why would a game on a memory stick require a memory stick? how many slots does the PSV have? The memory stick prices aren't really silly. They're comparable to the PSP memory stick prices. I dunno what people were expecting.Sony and proprietary go hand in hand
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