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Square Enix is ready for the death of consoles photo

The death knoll of consoles and physical media has been ringing since before this current generation of consoles hit the market. It's a long, slow knoll, but it seems that almost everyone is in agreement that its end is coming. Adding his confirmation to the pile is Square Enix CEO Yoichi Wada, who in a recent interview with MCV said his company, along with Sony and Microsoft, are ready for the shift.

“In ten years’ time a lot of what we call ‘console games’ won’t exist,” he said. Elaborating that console makers like Sony and Microsoft have already prepared for the shift and third-parties need to start doing the same. "Somewhere around 2005 the console manufacturers’ strategy shifted,” he said.

“In the past the platform was hardware, but it has switched to the network. A time will come when the hardware isn’t even needed anymore. With that, any kind of terminal becomes a potential platform on which games can be played – that’s exponential growth in the potential of gaming. The potential size of the market is enormous.”

How is Square Enix getting ready for this impending console doom? They're ramping up their production of social and browser games and using the launch of Final Fantasy IV beta as a test for how their online services will work in the future.

Not that we haven't had this debate 50 million times already, but what say you? Prepared to forsake your shiny discs for downloadable games? Ready for a future with a single "console" for your games. I know I'm holding on for dear life to every ounce of physical media I can. 








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EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:06
EternalDeathSlayer
I love how everyone thinks this has to happen.

No it doesn't, and it won't until you can convince EVERYBODY that physical media is not worth it anymore.

This isn't 10 years away. Maybe 20 or 30 years, if at all.

I hope....
Excalipoor's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:09
Excalipoor
Having the disk is always superior to a digital copy.
brysweeney's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:11
brysweeney
Yeh I don't think the cross over will b easy, it will take a while to implement too... I think I'll just buy as much hard copy games as possible to keep the dream alive! :p I love consoles so so much.
volatilis's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:18
volatilis
They can pry my consoles and games from my cold dead hands.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:22
Nicojay2
What's a knoll? Does it taste nice?

Anyway I do not hear the death knell for physical media and will always seek to buy the physical copies of games I really like if possible. That said, of the games of the last two years their is one I haven't been able to get a hard copy of; Bionic Commando Rearmed, and this bothers me. The future may be looking to spit in my face.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:31
Monte
PC gamers shall inherit the gaming world!
Mwhahahahahhahaahahahahhahahahaha

though ya, i'm skeptical about the death of consoles... i mean, i think MS, Sony and nintendo like money too much, and thus will want to keep it alive
Ragnar Dragonfyre's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:34
Ragnar Dragonfyre
If it means that I don't need a console and my PC will be able to run "any" game (as long as my computer meets the specs), then I'm all for it. Having to own two or more consoles plus a computer to be able to play all the good games costs too much money. I look forward to a day when the console wars are over and all gamers can enjoy all games equally.

However, if they're just talking about nixing physical media, screw that. I will always prefer going to the store to buy a game over downloading it. Always.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:41
Nicojay2
Sorry about double posting.

There will always be some company that isn't moving with the times, bringing out an outdated product and making silly money with it. Nintendo, despite your Wii not enthralling me, your business practices give me hope for the future.
Ericb's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:42
Ericb
I'm all for it. Enough of the ridiculous exclusivity deals and immature console wars.

It might still be a long while, especially concerning the companies who make a profit out of their consoles, but for games to evole further, they do need to get over those hardware limitations.

Hopefully there will come a time when companies are competing to see which console atually can run most games perfectly. No more of that port stuff.

Demakes on the other hand are extremelly ingenious. But I digress...
TechnicolorDewDrop's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:42
TechnicolorDewDrop
i prefer to have tangible media. But having one platform that has all games would be nice. No more console wars and fanboys. YAY!!! Well to be honest, people would still try to be fanboys for something.
Sarana Na Sopanpanichkul's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:43
Sarana Na Sopanpanichkul
Bring it on. I'm ready,
Issun's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:48
Issun
I like me some physical media . But it would be nice for our wallets that the three companies agree on making one and only console (but it's just a dream, I know ...)
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 08:58
Jon B
I've been in the digital downloads realm for ages now, since most of my games come through Steam. I do prefer having a physical copy, but it's a small tradeoff to make for being able to access anything I want wherever I want.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:04
Jonathan Holmes
Physical media will never die, or at least, it wont die in my lifetime. Phongraph records still sell today, despite the advent of the iPod and iTunes. Digital may go on to become the dominant form of distribution, but it will never be the only form.

If anything, physical media will just get more awesome as time goes on. In Japan, it's already common practice to throw in some stickers or a poster with the purchase of a game. We're getting a little of that in the states with pre-order bonuses, but we could get more as physical media has to compete harder with digital downloads.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:05
Fiat Mediocrity
HOW THE FUCK DID TOM GREEN GET A JOB AT DTOID?
Jeff Cusack's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:06
Jeff Cusack
VG devs keep looking at music downloads for comparison... But people still release CDs you know? I can see the whole industry -nintendo trying to make a move to a conseless cloud computing system and having it fail horribly, the way digital mp3 distribution did before iTunes. Newsflash to the game industry: people like downloading music because it's cost effective and gives them more control over what they buy. Do that and you'll be golden.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:08
akathatoneguy
Hey, maybe if some of the savings of digital media were passed on to the consumer, the whole thing would catch on better!
Markusdragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:17
Markusdragon
A single 'console' future is fine, as long as there's lots of different companies manufacturing them to exactly the right standsards to ensure both compatibility and competition. I can even accept digital distribution, but if there's only one source to buy each bloody game, then I'm not playing ball. Say no to monopolies!
mondaysalmon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:39
mondaysalmon
I don't think that they're really talking about all of the consoles merging. I think they mean like how the Playstation Network is going to be extended to all Sony products. Maybe you'll buy a game that works on your Sony cell phone but can then be streamed off of your Sony TV when you get back home. The TV will be connected directly to the internet without a console or anything.

Instead of consoles there will be "Networks", but these networks will compete with each-other, guaranteeing the continuation of exclusive games and empty wallets.
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:41
TurboKill
Sounds like I should upgrade from dial up.
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:43
lastdual
As is clear to those that can read, they're not talking about digital downloads or a return to PC gaming dominance, they're talking about "any kind of terminal" being a gaming outlet, which means services such as OnLive taking over.

DLC is not the future. Games are getting bigger and bigger, and the actual internet infrastructure would have to be upgraded to allow for 50-100 Gig files to be downloaded at a fast, convenient pace for normal consumers. Not to mention disk space will need to be exponentially larger. It's not practical. Hell, a lot of customers still don't even have broadband. The OnLive solution is a lot more likely.

Will this happen? Probably. There's a lot of incentive to cut out the middle man (retailers) and take a big stab at piracy at the same time. That said, the transition won't be instant. Most likely both an OnLive-style service and a traditional console platform will exist side-by-side, but over time, game released the traditional way will start to become like games released for Macs...
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:53
Xzyliac
The only reason this has a chance of happening is because the heads are talking about it like it's going to happen.

I don't see it happening soon. It's just so dangerous.

I see the option becoming more popular and enticing.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 09:55
the7k
One console = no competition.
No competition = no reason to excel.

You need competition if you want great games, great hardware - great anything. While I guess looking at PC games would give you an idea of a 'one console future', you still have to upgrade your computer to play the latest and greatest games.

I don't like having games exist in digital land anyway. If I had the choice, all of my digital games would be transfered to physical media. While physical media does decay and is prone to damage, its still something that I control. I don't like giving an entity control over my games.

I've probably got at least $100 worth of games on Steam right now. What if Steam decided to close down tomorrow? What if a company found content within one of its games and decided to take it from the network? What if someone steals my account information? What if the banhammer gets laid upon me for some reason?

Gone. All gone. All those games and all that money spend, gone.
WankerJist's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:02
WankerJist
I agree with Xzyliac. There's a lot more at stake than what it seems for digital distribution to be the only game in town.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:04
the7k
@ lastduel
Yeah, that's what it's called - OnLive. I was trying to remember.

If OnLive is ever going to become an option, internet connections are going to have to come a LONG way. The world is going to have to start looking a lot more like Ghost in the Shell or Blade Runner before OnLive is a feasible solution.

I'm also still against the idea of OnLive for all the reasons I'm against Digital Distribution. I don't like giving someone else the ability to tell me whether I can play games or not.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:06
wanderingpixel
There will still be consoles in the future. They will just compete on who has the better network for downloading games instead of who has what games.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:11
Black Nexus
To sum this up without a long post,disk media is to digital media what 2d is to 3d.

They both compliment each other nicely, but one really can't replace the other.
Gazp's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:31
Gazp
What they seem to forget rater frequently is that not everyone has a capable internet connection to download big games. Im lucky enough to don't have download cap and a decent speed average, but what about the people that have crappy connections? Will they be only able to download one game peer month? Or even no games at all?
So, unless some world wide changes are made, I cant see this happening in a near future.
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:32
lastdual
@the7k

Actually, an OnLive-style service is the most likely alternative because it *doesn't* require the same jump in internet connectivity that digital distribution (and storage) of massive games files would. Theoretically, it's just streaming video, which makes it far more easily consumable by the masses.

Onlive is not digital distribution. It's literally game streaming, and it's not that far away.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:38
The Silent Protagonist
V1nyl still exists and has even come full circle - not unlike hand-draw animation - because they bring us things digital music and CG animation cannot. Vinyl has survived for two reasons: the warm sound that comes from the needle reading the music and turntables being the instruments of DJs. So with both vinyl and hand-drawn animation, it boils down aesthetics and art.

The physical, digital media we're proclaiming will always have a place has one purpose and one purpose only - storage.

Records are still around, but what about cassettes? Still use 'em? They had no redeeming quality. No one misses the hiss and pop of the cassette. We don't miss VHS. It held on for as long as it could, now DVD is where VHS was. It will hang around longer only because Blu Ray was a forced jump and still a largely unneeded one, but it is just now finally taking hold.

Blu Ray I see as the last great stalling attempt by Sony and the industry as we know it. They made the games and movies larger in quality and storage space just to buy themseleves time. Technology will catch up to them.

PSPGo - questionable as it might be now - is just a forerunner to all this.

As for why I welcome digital distribution - Gamers suck at taking care of physical media. They treat disc cases like candy bar wrappers and instruction booklets like brochures. Every try hunting down a rare PS2 game, only to find it in a generic box with no instructions. Or when you do find a game with proper box and instruction, that the disc looks like it was used as a scratching post?

Stuff like that is why I wait for full DD with open arms.
IceColdRay's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:38
IceColdRay
i honestly hope i die before this happens.
Amp's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:41
Amp
I find it funny how Activision and large chunks of the gaming population want to say that the PC market is dying, and yet we have people like Square Enix and Sony who are just as willing to claim that consoles themselves are dying.

WHICH ONE IS IT?
RogueEpidemic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:44
RogueEpidemic
Hahahahaha...knoll.
natetehgreat's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:46
natetehgreat
Whoa...TERMINALS.

Unless they're talking about browser-based WebGL games, no, we're likely not 10 years away from processor/RAM/GPU-lacking, internet-connected "dumb terminal" displays.

Digital distribution and progressive downloads (aka, playing a game as it downloads, rather than having to wait until the entire game has downloaded to start playing) seems very likely but local hardware will do the processing, not servers in the "cloud" a la OnLive.

OnLive sounds nice on paper but it discriminates against those with slow connections, degrading the av quality. Digital distribution only requires a connection and patience; once the game is downloaded, it looks and plays the same regardless of connection speed (at least single player; multiplayer obviously depends on the network).
daysocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:47
daysocks
It isn't going to happen until there is nation-wide, fast reliable broadband. So far this is out of reach.
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 10:56
braulio09
Proofreading, it's useful.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:09
StingingVelvet
I love downloading games rather than boxes, and support Steam to that end, but I will NOT support cloud gaming or streaming gaming. First off it removes all feelings of ownership, second off it eliminates tweaks and mods which are the heart of PC gaming, and thirdly it will likely be 720p with crappy settings to avoid too much latency, which will still be a problem anyway.

Take your streaming gaming and shove it.
Michael Brown's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:10
Michael Brown
I won't have any of it. I'm leaving gaming when this happens.
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:11
psycho terror2
@ IceColdRay

i typed responses to a few people before reading your comment, and yeah i agree. why debate it. this will mean less overhead/more profit for sony, MS etc so it's going to happen.
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:26
KrazyKraut
mhhh..
tips@destructoid.com doesnt work...
dont wanna troll..
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:36
dj-anon
@EternalDeathSlayer: 20 or 30 years? In 1995 no one had an idea that cellphones were going to be used by practically everyone in 2005. One year before the iPod was released, discmans were still cool, now practically obsolete.

I would never dare to predict what's going to be used or not in 2040.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:49
Xzyliac
@KrazyKraut
Often tips just don't make it. They're busy people after all.

You shoulda blogged it.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 11:49
PhazonYoshi
@StingingVelvet; High settings and low settings make no difference if you're streaming, though.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 12:11
EdgyDude
I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but a lot of time will pass between now and then and IMO 10 years is not even close, even with the right environment and elements they forget the people's resistance to change, specially one where publishers can easily impose their will and underhanded practices, MS has already shown how ugly things can get with their Games on Demand insane pricing schemes in Australia and people do keep that in mind whenever some industry exec presents their ideas for "digital distribution". That said i feel this whole DD thing is leaning heavily on the Cloud Computing idea which could be the root of its demise since CC is at least to me one of the worst ideas ever.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 12:15
StingingVelvet
@ PhazonYoshi

The resolution matters, as the larger the resolution the larger the size of the stream. Also I have a feeling these companies will set up middleware computers to save money, and they will never force unsupported enhancements... I can't play games without AA, I just can't.

I am sure I am in a small group of people that demand higher settings and higher resolutions, judging by the massive popularirty of low-res console games. I'm just saying I personally can't support the switch, pointless rebellion or no.
Grimhound's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 12:24
Grimhound
To any looking forward to OnLive: You may as well put yourself in a gaming ghetto now. OnLive strips you of all the rights of a consumer. You have no freedom of hardware, no freedom of crafting your own experience, no freedom of choice. It would destroy hardware companies and put hundreds of thousands of people out of work. You become subservient to the mercy of the service, with no ability to "play offline", because "offline" doesn't exist. If there's a lag because the server doesn't register your command input correctly, you can't do anything but live with it. Touch-responsible gaming? Quick action? Gone. Welcome to the gaming equivalent of 1984.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 12:48
whormongr
not ganna happen until broadband is inexpensive and fully available like electricity or running water, I live in san francisco which is a pretty damned progressive city but there are still places in this 3x7 mile place that people can't get broadband or the speed is limited to 2mbps as a peak lower- still way too small for gaming
reindall's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 13:23
reindall
Guys, the average broadband speed in Japan in 91 mbps. They're already there.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 13:36
Airbr1dge
My fear is that I wot be able to trade in or rent games anymore.
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