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BioWare's technical producer Derek French has announced a surprising new copy protection scheme that requires the user to be online at regular intervals while playing both Mass Effect and Spore on the PC. If you are not online to validate your copy of either game every ten days, your product will stop working. Wait ... what?

After the first activation, SecuROM requires that [Mass Effect PC] re-check with the server within ten days (in case the CD Key has become public/warez'd and gets banned)

... After 10 days a re-check is required before the game can run.

I'm not really a PC gamer, but my gut instinct on this is that it's a stupid idea and I can see something going wrong. People are already reacting pretty badly to the news online, and I can see the backlash escalating, along with any number of problems that can arise from expecting paying customers to continually prove that they're not pirates. 

This just doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

[Cheers to John Berger]


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Dr Milkdad's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:47
Dr Milkdad
What's that in the sky? Oh it's just PC Gaming falling to it's death.

Note to EA: This won't increase sales, pirates don't buy games anyways, you're just pissing people off who want to buy your game.

Note to Pirates: Suck it for giving developers and publishers an excuse to not develop for the PC, and making PC gaming a bigger pain in the ass than it already is.
OutrageousToob's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:48
OutrageousToob
And yeah, they do have the right to protect their product but I, as the consumer having paid the price of admission, have the right to use said product at my discretion. Or at least I should.
tehdopefish's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:51
tehdopefish
I don't see this as a problem at all. Piracy of PC games is out of control to the point that you can easily get just about any PC game BEFORE it's release date. There are ways to get around any kind of copy protection, and people feel no guilt in stealing every single title that comes down the pipe.

PC gaming -will- die if things keep going the way that they currently are.
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:54
brainderailment
PC gaming alliance ASSEMMMMMMMMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!
Ianki's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:54
Ianki
Time to take pirtes to work around this: 9 days
Time until honest buyers without internet to get screwed: 10


How will i play when the people i steal wireless from start protecting their connection?
neveranything's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:56
neveranything
I'm not buying it for PC (wanted to give my PC some long deserved gaming love), and now I don't plan to buy it for the 360 either, not because it would be a hassle, but out of principal.

I'm tired of being treated as a pirate, even when I own a legit copy of a game. Yes, Bioware deserves to get paid for what they created, but why should any of us be punished for something we're (well, at least some of us) not doing, and/or not even supporting? Does anyone remember the mess Ubisoft, and a bunch of other companies, got in trouble with by using Starforce? Do any of you honestly think something like Starforce won't happen again? I'm not accusing Bioware of using any form of malware for their copy protection, but if we don't get the point across that DRM is a draconian means of copy protection, and that using any form of DRM is in effect moving backwards instead of forwards, sooner or later a big name company is going to use a company as ass backwards as Starforce was for copy protection, and then what?

I'm sick of it. "Please connect to the internet to validate your copy of the game for the one billionth time", "please install this heavy handed piece of garbage onto your PC and pray it doesn't break something", "please sit and rotate while we make sure if you haven't done anything naughty", "oh, and have a nice day". 100% garaunteed to drive customers, and money, away.
Aksumka's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 21:56
Aksumka
The only way I will buy these games now is if they are released over Steam. I won't pirate them if they are not, I just won't play at all. I've stopped pirating games actually, I've stepped it up to $2k + software!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:03
Sharpless
Okay, fine, PC gaming isn't dying. I'll tell you this, though: This is what WILL kill PC gaming, if anything does. At the very least, it will hurt it a lot. DRM didn't work for music, and it sure-as-hell isn't going to work for gaming.

Why must big companies be so damned stupid?
FiXXXerX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:03
FiXXXerX
Something that game companies just haven't been able to wrap their minds around yet is that this doesn't stop piracy.

These games will be cracked DAYS before they come out, and then the cracks will be made freely available online for whomever wants them.

This is gonna screw customers that pay for the game, and ONLY those customers.
Sirapak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:04
Sirapak
Sigh time to go pokemon again.
Misanthrope's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:08
Misanthrope
Every piracy conversation turns into "those damn buccaneers don't buy anything!" Fact of the matter is I wouldn't be into gaming if it wasn't for piracy, I had bought this many pc games before piracy: ZERO!

I bought a total of 6 games from Bioware but never again, not even on consoles. Not even the ones I was looking for like that Sony RPG on the DS.

So how is that for protecting your profits you idiots? I guarantee every single Raider is just like me.
SunTzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:10
SunTzu
I love it when companies make piracy "a convenient alternative."
Its just like the BioShock fiasco. Why BUY a game thats basically just a chore every 10 days (god forbid you're on the road and don't have access to the internet on such a regular basis), when you can just pirate a cracked copy of the same game, bullshit free.

Neither of these were games I intended to play online, but I did intend to actually BUY them (When it comes down to it, I'm really not fond of Game Piracy), but if they want me to steal their product so badly, how can I refuse?
ran24's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:12
ran24
People need to just not buy the game. If you don't like this "protection", don't buy the game and support these dicks. Unfortunately, nobody does that though, they buy the game anyway, so companies can still do whatever they want because people still buy it. Don't support them!
animateria's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:18
animateria
Many people that pirate around me do it cause they can.

Not because they can't afford to buy it.

Sure they buy games. But that doesn't make them less of a pirate when they steal from another developer.

Defending piracy is plain dumb.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:20
John B
Defending piracy is plain dumb.

And defending copy protection by treating every potential customer as a pirate-wannabe is just as dumb.
Misanthrope's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:24
Misanthrope
Pass it on to those sarcastic gamer guys, maybe they'll go militant again like with the DLC guns.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:27
Shin Oni
so that means i'm screwed if I have to wait for silly internet services to fix my net connection? phail.

let alone this is just a stupid idea anyway.
Jehutus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:27
Jehutus
I blogged it first :D
animateria's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:29
animateria
@John B

Well duh.

I never defended it. Only gave the developer/publishers rationale behind this stupid decision. I'm not buying those games.

Well unless they go Steam like somebody mentioned.
mabman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:31
mabman
wtf bioware, you're a douche
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:41
michiyoyoshiku
PC Gaming is dead anyway.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:43
Mxyzptlk
Stupid idea, but by the time it hits most people will be over it already.
Luigi takes over's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:47
Luigi takes over
I don't understand this. The people who pirate software weren't going to buy it in the first place. It's not like they'll sit back and say "CURSES. DEFEATED BY SECUROM. I SUPPOSE I'LL GIVE UP MY HARD EARNED CASH NOW.

I'll not-pirate something thats available just to play it. If I can't find a pirated version then I generally don't buy it. I'll continue to buy the titles I really want and really anticipate though.

I reiterate, the people who pirate weren't potential sales in the first place. They either lack the income or desire to purchase the product in question.
Satsumomo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 22:59
Satsumomo
I'll buy the game, then download the crack/hack to make it not check every 10 days.

However, with Spore this might mean some trouble since that game is sorta online, isn't it?
KaL YoshiKa's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 23:21
KaL YoshiKa
-1 Sale

The great thing is I know people who don't have net connections and just get their fix in internet cafes..WHAT ARE THEY MEANT TO DO?!
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 23:24
Wedge
And it will be hacked and then only people with legit copies will be annoyed. Genius.
Iceciro's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2008 23:31
Iceciro
Chances are this is fixable via a simple host.txt hack to make the game call in to a fake "server" running on the machine of the game owner.

Shit, it's not even out and I just cracked their DRM.

Now, as for spore, I was going to buy it before because it looked fucking incredible. But I don't even think I'll PIRATE it now. Much less buy it. Way to be douchebags, EA.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:06
Josh Tolentino
This is fucking bullshit. EA, Bioware, and SecuROM are exploiting the popularity of Spore and ME to push a flawed and frankly ridiculous policy forward. This is a big "fuck you" to gamers everywhere. Console gamers included. Buy cheats and balance-breaking guns for moneyz anyone?

"Hey, Mass Effect sold like gangbusters! It must be SecuROM works and not because PC gamers wanted to play an awesome, uber-hyped game!"
"Yeah, 10 days is like SNAP for gamers. Maybe they'll sell even better if we force the authentication every THREE days! Those dastardly pirates will be stopped FER SHURRR!"
"Oh yeah, let's SecuROM ALL our games! They'll sell like gangbusters too!"
"For realz!"
"And then let's shut down the authentication servers in a year, and release the GOLD edition which doesn't need all that!"
Atheist Jew's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:08
Atheist Jew
*sigh*

PC Gaming is not dead, and those people that honestly think it is are just...well, stupid, I guess.

All this kind of idiocy does is encourage piracy. Pirates go out of their way to circumvent challenges like this. It may take a couple of days longer, but Mass Effect will get cracked just like everything else. Is it annoying? Obviously. Is it NECESSARY? Again, yes. Because PC game piracy is out of fucking control. EA/Microsoft/Vivendi/etc really need to invest a substantial amount of money (lets say several tens of millions combined) in developing a method of protecting their games from piracy, one which will take too much work to circumvent. Say, for example, encrypting all the data of a game with a randomized 4096 bit key, with pre-determined solutions that can only be obtained through registering the game. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

Until they're willing to put enough money into it, all of these anti-piracy gimmicks they choose to force people to put up with is just completely pointless.
flashbak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:17
flashbak
Point 1> Console Games are pirated consistently and constantly, usually available a week or two before the retail release.

Point 2> Stated many times before, most pirates do not buy the software to begin with.

Point 3> If Piracy has suh a negative influence on the market how did Microsoft become the behemoth that it is today?

Point 4> Any number of groups will have this cracked within 24 hours of release

Point 5> Securom, Safedisc, Tages, etc have all caused numerous conflicts with people's systems because of improper blacklist coding etc.

Point 6> If you make a quality game people will buy it, especially if you put no copy protection on your software just ask Stardock.
angusm's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:18
angusm
Fucking brilliant idea if they can get it to work without bugs.
I really love PC gaming and I want to make games one day. If the industry can get some control on the piracy, well maybe more developers might actually be willing to release their games onto the ol' personal computer.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:24
mistic
sux if a keygen creates your key then... you'll be blocked next time the check rolls around if you bought it...
brainpower4's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:50
brainpower4
congrats, this just convinced me to not get spore, one of my most anticipated games of the year. Thank you Bioware, for letting me keep my $50
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 00:56
Jetsetlemming
The situation with this just got worse.
http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=628375&forum=125&sp=3
Mass Effect and Spore will have a limited number of activations, similar to Bioshock before it. The number of these activations will be three. Every time Securom makes your game "cease to function" because it couldn't verify the legitimacy of the game, getting the game reactivated will blow an activation. Thus, after three such events, your game is bricked. Go buy a new copy, get a new CD-key.


Yeah, fuck EA and Securom doubly hard for this one. GTFO the PC you shitfuckers. We don't want you.
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 01:08
RJG
I was actually going to buy those games, but now I'm not. I'm not buying a game when I can get a version that works BETTER for FREE.

Does EA not understand how this works? Give us a product worth paying for, and we will pay for it. Fuck us over, and you don't get shit, but we still get to play the game.

It's not rocket surgery.
WastelandTraveler's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 01:24
WastelandTraveler
@Wedge "And it will be hacked and then only people with legit copies will be annoyed. Genius."

and this is why I love you.

This seriously is the most retarded move a company could ever do.

#1) You just kicked out the market of people who dont have internet, or only have it for a short ammount of time. -- YES PEOPLE IM SORRY THERE IS A HUGE % OF THE MARKET THAT DONT HAVE CONSTANT INTERNET ACCESS.

#2) It wont protect anything, crackers/hackers will find a way around it. The harder you make it to crack, the more tempted they will be to crack it.

#3) ?

#4) PROFIT!!!!
Conan-san's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:11
Conan-san
Copyright protection that does more cockblocking than it actauly does protecting copyright is the cancer that is killing PC gaming.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:22
-PL-
PC - check.
Internet connection - check.

Wow, I guess I'm prepared! Melodrama schmelodrama.
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:31
JustLikeBuck
Annoying Copy Protected games don't get bought... they get even. No, wait. They get copied, cracked, rinse-wash-repeat.

Happened with most Starforce protected games (some real gems on that list), and now with securerom.

Bio need to check out a little company called Stardock that made much more profit in proportion to its development, without invasive copy protection!
Kaaspeer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:41
Kaaspeer
I think this is a good idea unless you really need to activate it yourself. If it just connects to the internet when it boots and checks if the game is legal then I don't see a problem.

Then again i guess if you don't have to fill out information it would be pretty easy to crack...
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:42
Syn
My comp isn't anywhere near being able to support either of these games, but I think I may pirate them out of spite and then pass around copies.

Fuck You
Maudrid's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:43
Maudrid
These people never learn: The game will be cracked and it will still be pirated. On the other hand Spore has online content and will be harder to play illegally.
anomalous underdog's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 02:54
anomalous underdog
why is the dude on the right sporting feminine boobs?
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 03:37
Emrah
You know when my PC started going downhill with its performance and reliability? When the stupid bioshock *DEMO* installed Securom. I was going to buy bioshock, but didn't buy it protest. They just like punishing the paying customer, like in this case. The people who pirate these game will be much more comfortable playing.

So yes, I hardly ever play my PC.
Kurtz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 03:56
Kurtz
It's the wrong solution for a real problem... Developers have tried to come up with a method to prevent piracy on PC since the "security codes" printed in the manuals already 20 years ago.

The activation every 10 days it's reasonable on paper (came on guys... we are in 2008, if you are in a place without internet you probably have no electricity as well :))

They always ended up pissing the honest buyer more than anything. When I buy a game the first thing I do is check for the (almost always readily available) crack, since it's the only way to avoid 30 seconds security checkings, cd scratching and the like.

But I CAN'T really blame the developers for doing that. PC gaming is not dead, but it's changing since the only really profitable games are becoming casual games (low price and low budget, and appeal to people with absolutely no knowledge of P2P and torrent) and MMORPG (that you cannot pirate by definition)... it's ironic really, since PC has always been the platform aimed at the most "hardcore" of gamers, with complex and cutting edge games.

I think the solution has to be radical, like hardware checking (like consoles), or content streamed directly from internet even for single player games. You would lose some customers, of course, but many more people that would have pirated the game would buying it... If a strong, PC only franchise like Stracraft 2 would start the trend than it would become normal for PC gamers to deal with it.

Seems to radical ? Maybe, but I love PC games, and I can't stand to see PC gaming as I knew it die a slow death. But I really think it's too late, strong "PC only" titles are scarce and given the choice they would buy the console equivalent.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 04:06
CALkulon
"I think the solution has to be radical, like hardware checking"

Because people never change their PC hardware setup, right?
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 04:08
CALkulon
Oh, and this idea is total bollocks, but you already knew that. Plenty of people are going to pirate this just out of spite of those twats at EA.
Kurtz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 04:19
Kurtz
I didn't mean hardware checking like window activation (that checks your current configuration) I meant hardware checking by some dedicated chip (embedded for example in graphic cards or CPUs) that checks DRM, like it happens in consoles.

There would be modchips, like in console of course, the point is that it wouldn't be THAT easy to pirate a copy.
Ocified-Xboxer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 04:20
Ocified-Xboxer
I'm not a PC gamer so much...and what I do enjoy playing on the PC I don't exactly need to buy. I can say I've never pirated console software...And I was thinking about spore...Both in buying it, or finding it...This kind of sounds like a ridiculous measure that will punish honest folks as opposed to those with my moral ambiguity when it comes to PC games...And that sucks...And I'd say that within 10 days there is a crack that will be done and both Spore and ME will become free. I'm not saying that is the right thing to do here...But at least you wouldn't have to worry about the potential for fucking up and getting screwed by EA b/c they lost your Key Validation.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/07/2008 04:23
CALkulon
"embedded for example in graphic cards or CPUs"

I say again, people change their setup. Was only a few months ago I changed both gfx card and CPU. It would work on consoles, but not PCs.
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