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Holy shit, I have to stop reading these, I am getting waaaaay to excited for this game now.... I hope it has a collectors edition.... :D
HAHAHAHAH take that shitty snipers, hope you enjoy my shotgun blasts from point blank. So glad I preordered this months back.
At first I was skeptical, but then I remembered that headshots don't kill in a few scenarios in TF2 either.
Looks like they're forgetting about the more skilled players. Shooting someone in the head should reward me. By that I mean that the person I shoot in the head should drop.
It'll be weird not to have the sniper option, but considering I rarely use it (and suck when I do), that's probably a good thing for me.
@qlum
There are alot of things in shooters that should kill you a lot more, a few stray rounds from a smg would kill somebody in real life, but won't drop a heavily armoured enemy after a clip. They are dwarfing sniper rifles to the advantage of everybody else, I think they are going about things the right way.
There are alot of things in shooters that should kill you a lot more, a few stray rounds from a smg would kill somebody in real life, but won't drop a heavily armoured enemy after a clip. They are dwarfing sniper rifles to the advantage of everybody else, I think they are going about things the right way.
@Captain Freak: There are no one hit kill in Quake. Even a rocket to the face won't kill you if you have 100 health. And I'm not even taking into account armor, which takes 2/3 of the damage away.
@Router splash damage games have always awarded head-shots, when you deal with games that are more shots to kill the importance of head-shots is that much greater.
This reduces camping effectiveness and awards people for quick aiming.
Also they forgot to mention that grenades have a cool down timer so you can't just lob a metric tonne of grenades into a bottleneck and score easy kills.
I think its 1 nade every 20-30 seconds or something.
This reduces camping effectiveness and awards people for quick aiming.
Also they forgot to mention that grenades have a cool down timer so you can't just lob a metric tonne of grenades into a bottleneck and score easy kills.
I think its 1 nade every 20-30 seconds or something.
I am seriously (and now even moreso) HYPED TO FUCK about this game.
Man, this for fun, Socom for realz, Homefront for interesting setting, Killzone for brutal Melee and sharpshooter, Portal for puzzling, sure I've forgotten some too.
FPS season is upon us people! And so far it looks fucking awesome!
Man, this for fun, Socom for realz, Homefront for interesting setting, Killzone for brutal Melee and sharpshooter, Portal for puzzling, sure I've forgotten some too.
FPS season is upon us people! And so far it looks fucking awesome!
I'm sick of developers pandering to the shitty players who SHOULD be killed if they don't have enough skills/tactics! I first got my ass kicked on multiplayer COD2 but kept playing and got better. Now I ENJOY MW2. It has gotten so bad that developers have had to add things like "HOST MIGRATION" to online games due to all the idiots that rage quit when hosting~ PATHETIC! The industry needs more games like DEMON SOULS, FUCK OFF to the whiners! If you don't like sucking at a game then practice or go play another one. (End of RANT)
@B1ackTea
Ah, I see. Well as long as the weapons are balanced and there are rewards for both the inexperienced and skilled players, I'll be happy. The rest of the game features already look pretty awesome.
Ah, I see. Well as long as the weapons are balanced and there are rewards for both the inexperienced and skilled players, I'll be happy. The rest of the game features already look pretty awesome.
Samit, why do you keep reference Bad Company 2 instead of a superior, previous version of Battlefield that did revives/medics so much better (i.e. BF2, 2142)?
I always liked the way Shadowrun dealt with death. As long as your corpse was on the battlefield, you could be revived. And since there were no classes, it was possible for everyone on your team to have the revive magic.
This looks interesting, but I definitely want to demo before I buy.
This looks interesting, but I definitely want to demo before I buy.
Hooray for a reasonable way to cut down on grenade spam! I like this solution much more than MW2's "Let's allow for options that are even cheaper than grenade spam, so nobody will want to do the thing that's only mildly cheap."
Not bad. I've always been pretty skilled at shooters, but mainly in close combat (shotguns, smgs, dual wielding, etc.) so I'm rather glad to hear camping snipers is a bit of an impossible tactic in Brink.
So you're taking on a shit on the skilled players?
You could've easily remedied this by making weapons upgradeable.
Reading the sniper part kind of turned me off from the game, just a little.
In CoD, every sniper shot is crucial. Especially in Objective oriented games modes.
Seeing how Objective-oriented Brink is, that's very disappointing.
You could've easily remedied this by making weapons upgradeable.
Reading the sniper part kind of turned me off from the game, just a little.
In CoD, every sniper shot is crucial. Especially in Objective oriented games modes.
Seeing how Objective-oriented Brink is, that's very disappointing.
am i the only one who thinks this is bad news?! i had high hopes for brink, but now i'm just thinking it will be a bit meh... I like my guns powerfull and deadly. If players become bullitsponges running back for regenerating health every five seconds, count me out. Still no game has caught the awesomeness of headshotting like counter strike with an ak47. Less snipers is a good thing though
FINALLY THEY GIVE RECOGNITION TO BRINK. I HAVE BEEN BITCHING THAT THEY NEED TO AND IT FINALLY HAPPENED! THANK YOU!
Whoa whoa whoa. @Gee-Man.
Camping snipers? WTF.
Snipers =/= Run and Gun.
I mean, I run and gun, but only with a Semi Automatic.
I really only consider it camping if you're near a spawn.
Anything else is fair game. but seriously, you can't really call Snipers campers.
Camping snipers? WTF.
Snipers =/= Run and Gun.
I mean, I run and gun, but only with a Semi Automatic.
I really only consider it camping if you're near a spawn.
Anything else is fair game. but seriously, you can't really call Snipers campers.
here's a thought, people actually have a chance at playing a game and putting up a good fight now. I'm glad to have a title similar to TF2, which is probably hands down one of the best multiplayer shooters ever made. Those people that are good in TF2 have earned their ranks because they took the less damaging weapons that were given to them, and learned how to play tactfully without cheap ass kills every 5 seconds. "CoD and MW players should just stick to their mindless untactical shooter and ignore Brink if they're gonna get their panties all in a wad" - my Wife.
Wow. Saw that type of comment coming.
Most of the time, I play CoD very tactically. Also, your wife obviously knows nothing about it since CoD = MW. Not separate things.
The easiest thing to do would be to have a beginners server. Kind of like MMOFPS's do. Then the Advanced server, then full on matchmaking.
It's seriously idiotic to dumb things down because people aren't good. Some people can't even use both thumbsticks, you don't see controllers that only require three buttons do you?
Seriously hoping for Custom Matches so I can ramp up the weapon damage a bit.
Most of the time, I play CoD very tactically. Also, your wife obviously knows nothing about it since CoD = MW. Not separate things.
The easiest thing to do would be to have a beginners server. Kind of like MMOFPS's do. Then the Advanced server, then full on matchmaking.
It's seriously idiotic to dumb things down because people aren't good. Some people can't even use both thumbsticks, you don't see controllers that only require three buttons do you?
Seriously hoping for Custom Matches so I can ramp up the weapon damage a bit.
i see no problem with the headshot thingy, stick to AR's and SMG's, problem solved, never had a problem with grenade spamming in COD, they only killed me a few times and on objective gamemodes i always use perks that low damage from explosives
i must say, i wasn't interested in this game one bit, but reading the preview and this have really changed my mind, i want it nao !!
i must say, i wasn't interested in this game one bit, but reading the preview and this have really changed my mind, i want it nao !!
@3ofDiamonds: Well, aside from the demos for the original Bad Company and 1943, it's the only Battlefield game that I've spent any significant amount of time with -- including 50+ hours of multiplayer. (After all, they say to write what you know, don't they?)
@B1ackTea: Right you are! I'll add that in, thanks.
@folks complaining about this: As I said, I played the game for an hour. At no point did I feel frustrated that enemies weren't dropping from my weapons. As Crawdads Revenge noted, it's somewhat similar to Halo -- you have to hit enemies a number of times in order to kill them, but it's not like you have to spend multiple clips or anything. It's not dumbed down; it's just different -- Brink encourages you to get in close, but as I mentioned, you can still be effective from afar.
@B1ackTea: Right you are! I'll add that in, thanks.
@folks complaining about this: As I said, I played the game for an hour. At no point did I feel frustrated that enemies weren't dropping from my weapons. As Crawdads Revenge noted, it's somewhat similar to Halo -- you have to hit enemies a number of times in order to kill them, but it's not like you have to spend multiple clips or anything. It's not dumbed down; it's just different -- Brink encourages you to get in close, but as I mentioned, you can still be effective from afar.
"Still no game has caught the awesomeness of headshotting like counter strike with an ak47"
I understand what you're saying, but actually if you ask Gooseman, the creator of CS, the AK was never supposed to kill in one shot like it does. The AK in CS headshots through armor, the m4 on the CT side can't do that, it disrupts the balance of the game.
Anyway, this game actually is tackling balance. So many recent FPS games have been absolute shit in the balance department, I think i'll give this one a go to hold me over until Battlefield 3.
I understand what you're saying, but actually if you ask Gooseman, the creator of CS, the AK was never supposed to kill in one shot like it does. The AK in CS headshots through armor, the m4 on the CT side can't do that, it disrupts the balance of the game.
Anyway, this game actually is tackling balance. So many recent FPS games have been absolute shit in the balance department, I think i'll give this one a go to hold me over until Battlefield 3.
IMO, one of the problems in the common shooter today is the ability to take deadly damage and fix it instantly with a health pack or syringe...
Not gonna lie Samit, your coverage of this has pushed it from barely on my radar to exactly what I need and want in an FPS.
I so cannot wait for this.
I so cannot wait for this.
@dreamscape
Oh really?!, I never knew that! Thanks for the lesson! ;) I allways thought the balance was good (not perfect), the m4a1 had better accurancy (right?) and a silencer. The ak was more for the vets.
Tackling the balance issue is good. Games as COD and the likes have had a more is better aproach wich screws the balance. I'm liking KZ3 right now, the balance is great between weapons and classes. (especially knowing it is still so short after release, and GG seems eager to tweak, refine and expand on the mp)
Oh really?!, I never knew that! Thanks for the lesson! ;) I allways thought the balance was good (not perfect), the m4a1 had better accurancy (right?) and a silencer. The ak was more for the vets.
Tackling the balance issue is good. Games as COD and the likes have had a more is better aproach wich screws the balance. I'm liking KZ3 right now, the balance is great between weapons and classes. (especially knowing it is still so short after release, and GG seems eager to tweak, refine and expand on the mp)
@Juwaan Armstrong
I think we have different interpretations of what camping means. To me, if a sniper hangs out in one spot a safe distance from the spawn point but still within shooting distance, armed with a sniper rifle capable of dropping an opponent in one hit, I'd call that camping (and poor level design).
I think we have different interpretations of what camping means. To me, if a sniper hangs out in one spot a safe distance from the spawn point but still within shooting distance, armed with a sniper rifle capable of dropping an opponent in one hit, I'd call that camping (and poor level design).
@Juwaan Armstrong - I think that the problem with snipers in a lot of games is a severe lack of effective options at taking them out. If you're staying in the same spot (or very, very close to it) for an extended period, then you're camping. It's not even realistic for a sniper to camp in real life. While it's very important for snipers to not disclose their locations in real life, part of doing that involves moving from position to position. It's not realistic for a sniper to be able to stay in one spot, because there'll pretty much always be a point at which his/her location is compromised, thus turning him/her into a sitting duck. Games that allow players to camp are just poorly designed in some form.
By the way, some of these methods of addressing flaws with other shooters are actually reused from previous Wolfenstein or Enemy Territory games. If you didn't want to be revived in those games, then all that you had to do was tap out to go back into the reinforcement queue.
I'm hoping that headshots still enough excess damage to make them useful. I mean, it's not as though many weapons could one-shot kill an opponent in Wolfenstein or Enemy Territory games, and players who aim for the head should still have more damage output than players who aim for the bodies.
By the way, some of these methods of addressing flaws with other shooters are actually reused from previous Wolfenstein or Enemy Territory games. If you didn't want to be revived in those games, then all that you had to do was tap out to go back into the reinforcement queue.
I'm hoping that headshots still enough excess damage to make them useful. I mean, it's not as though many weapons could one-shot kill an opponent in Wolfenstein or Enemy Territory games, and players who aim for the head should still have more damage output than players who aim for the bodies.
Why does everyone reference games it's "similar" to, instead of the games it's actually succeeding such as RtCW and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory or even ETQW (last 2 were created by SD, they also made some GoTY maps for RtCW)? Games out before Halo, and CoD or Battlefield. SD is continuing their own style of play and not lending from anyone else. They've notoriously had class based, objective gameplay, where it takes more then 3 bullets to fell an enemy, where you are downed and can be revived by a medic... and where you actually need to earn a kill instead "who sees who 1st wins" scenarios. Generally it's the little hidey hole campers that are most upset at the removal of 1-shot kills.
Why does everyone reference games it's "similar" to, instead of the games it's actually succeeding such as RtCW and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory or even ETQW (last 2 were created by SD, they also made some GoTY maps for RtCW)? Games out before Halo, and CoD or Battlefield. SD is continuing their own style of play and not lending from anyone else. They've notoriously had class based, objective gameplay, where it takes more then 3 bullets to fell an enemy, where you are downed and can be revived by a medic... and where you actually need to earn a kill instead "who sees who 1st wins" scenarios. Generally it's the little hidey hole campers that are most upset at the removal of 1-shot kills.
thank god, snipers ruin games like cod, et, and sometimes battlefield. think the only ppl who have a fair sniper nowadays is in valves team fortress 2.
and to anyone who says QQ, why dont you go see what it takes for a real sniper to pull off your ingame half mile shot. lot harder then pulling up your rifle and looking through the scope.
and to anyone who says QQ, why dont you go see what it takes for a real sniper to pull off your ingame half mile shot. lot harder then pulling up your rifle and looking through the scope.
I'm always of two minds on this sort of thing. On one hand I do like to reward and respect skill. If a guy is a crack shot with lightning reflexes and can use a sniper rifle effectively that should be rewarding for him.
But...
Sniper dominance just ruins the fun for everyone else. I remember some great FPSs that were utterly ruined when the opposing team had one or two great snipers. Original Day of Defeat had a few maps that could just be shut down by one great sniper. The best maps were the ones that allowed for multiple routes and close in fighting. DoD:S tried to combat this a bit with the addition of smoke nades and long range rifle grenades, but it also had other problems.
Sniper deaths are one of the most frustrating things in a FPS because it often feels like there was no way to avoid or fight back against it. Often this is really more the fault of bad map design not offering enough alternative routes to take and forcing players into sniper alleys.
As always, TF2 does a good job of both skill indexing the sniper (he can whip out high damage headshots if the player is good, but body shots are unrewarding without a lengthly charge period that makes his killing power very time intensive) while often providing alternative routes or class counters to the Sniper (Spies and Scouts FTW!) Its a pretty good design and it sounds like Splash Damage is taking some of those ideas. I'll be interested to see how it shakes out!
But...
Sniper dominance just ruins the fun for everyone else. I remember some great FPSs that were utterly ruined when the opposing team had one or two great snipers. Original Day of Defeat had a few maps that could just be shut down by one great sniper. The best maps were the ones that allowed for multiple routes and close in fighting. DoD:S tried to combat this a bit with the addition of smoke nades and long range rifle grenades, but it also had other problems.
Sniper deaths are one of the most frustrating things in a FPS because it often feels like there was no way to avoid or fight back against it. Often this is really more the fault of bad map design not offering enough alternative routes to take and forcing players into sniper alleys.
As always, TF2 does a good job of both skill indexing the sniper (he can whip out high damage headshots if the player is good, but body shots are unrewarding without a lengthly charge period that makes his killing power very time intensive) while often providing alternative routes or class counters to the Sniper (Spies and Scouts FTW!) Its a pretty good design and it sounds like Splash Damage is taking some of those ideas. I'll be interested to see how it shakes out!
"God damnit get your god damn teamwork out of my game focused on team work!"
That's what I hear when I hear people bitch about revives...obviously excepting those circumstances where you are getting revived directly in a line of fire.
That's what I hear when I hear people bitch about revives...obviously excepting those circumstances where you are getting revived directly in a line of fire.
Not gonna lie, a lot of this article turned down my excitement for this game, unless they have a hardcore mode, I don't like having to waste an entire clip on one kill. I get the annoyance with getting sniped, buy if you take a bullet to the head and you have no protection you should be dead, no revive, just dead. I like the revival concept, but you get hit in the head you won't be able to get back up and fight. I still will probably get this game, but the lack of quick kills bothers me
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