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I feel the same way about Event Horizon. They had like 30 minutes of f'ed up shit they made Anderson cut out of the movie..really disturbing shit. Since it was the late 90's, they didn't see the need to keep any of it, and now it's lost. Nevrawr will there be a screwed up Hell Edition of that great epic of a cinematic tale, and we are only left with our imaginations to fill in the lost, bloody rapey scenes.
Don't let videogames be the next Event Horizon!!!
Don't let videogames be the next Event Horizon!!!
Who the hell are these people that are supposedly indifferent to gaming history? Most gamers I know are obsessed with it to the point of being irritating as fuck about it.
With online passes and 40 weeks of DLC being all the rage Spectors words of wisdom shouldn't be taken lightly. Whens the last time you saw a working SEGA Saturn disc? Every infrastructure online or off crumbles eventually and if the industry only cares about the new then piracy will become the only means of passing the torch.
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing" - Solid Snake
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing" - Solid Snake
Eh, I think what he says has tons of merit to it, and it needs to happen more, but there are institutions, like the Smithsonian, that are making movements in trying to preserve as much as they can.
Ultimately its all a big part of the whole videogames/acceptance issue that has been going on for a long time now. Before recently no one really bothered with any of this because either no one really thought games would be accepted, or no one really cared if they did as long as they were making dough. Now we're worried about preservation because theres been such a big push behind this being an artform to preserve at all. But it all skirts the line in the "is it art?" debate. If its not art, its not worth the time and money to bother preserving -not many academics are probably all that worried about holding on to old iPhones either.
Ultimately its all a big part of the whole videogames/acceptance issue that has been going on for a long time now. Before recently no one really bothered with any of this because either no one really thought games would be accepted, or no one really cared if they did as long as they were making dough. Now we're worried about preservation because theres been such a big push behind this being an artform to preserve at all. But it all skirts the line in the "is it art?" debate. If its not art, its not worth the time and money to bother preserving -not many academics are probably all that worried about holding on to old iPhones either.
Good,I hate having to explain that Nolan Bushnell and Atari didn't invent video games and having people looking at me like I'm an idiot.
Ralph Baer deserves tons more credit than Bushnell ever did.
Ralph Baer deserves tons more credit than Bushnell ever did.
@Tristrix
Weren't you the one telling people that they should be so impressed by shiny new hardware that they shouldn't want to complain about not being able to play "obsolete" games? Indifference to preservation, thy name is...?
Anyway, man has a point. Not everyone in gaming has that dedication to preservation as, say, Nintendo. In the end, it is going to fall on us to drive the preservation scene, and honestly, we've been doing a pretty decent job of it. The retro indie game scene has put a lot of old styles of gaming back into focus, and there are legitimate pushes for gaming museums popping up here and there.
If anyone lives in the NYC area, and is old enough to get their faces drunk, Barcade in Brooklyn has a bunch of great classic arcade games, and a fucking awesome beer selection.
Weren't you the one telling people that they should be so impressed by shiny new hardware that they shouldn't want to complain about not being able to play "obsolete" games? Indifference to preservation, thy name is...?
Anyway, man has a point. Not everyone in gaming has that dedication to preservation as, say, Nintendo. In the end, it is going to fall on us to drive the preservation scene, and honestly, we've been doing a pretty decent job of it. The retro indie game scene has put a lot of old styles of gaming back into focus, and there are legitimate pushes for gaming museums popping up here and there.
If anyone lives in the NYC area, and is old enough to get their faces drunk, Barcade in Brooklyn has a bunch of great classic arcade games, and a fucking awesome beer selection.
I believe what I actually said was that they shouldn't expect to play them on new hardware, just like I don't expect to play my NES games on my Wii. But yeah, you're right, you spend enough time chasing me around on here riding my dick all day just itching for the chance to make smartass remarks, I'm sure you know me better than I know myself by now.
I do so enjoy our chats though.
I do so enjoy our chats though.
The digital preservation of games is a worthwhile endeavour in my opinion. I sincerely hope we can have means to accessing older games in the future once the machines and media they are played on crumbles. I mean can you imagine fifty years from now how many people will have TVs who can even play a working NES? I imagine very few.
Many of the folks working on Emulators/Roms these days understand this. We have to get the accuracy at 100% (including bugs/glitches/exploits) before the original hardware/software is lost to history forever. It's a noble cause really.
Yeah, they shouldn't expect to play obsolete, antiquated games on their new systems. It's not a wise ass remark, its me referencing your indifference to something that isn't new.
And make no mistakes about it, I did miss you. Without you around, there wasn't really anyone spouting off inane nonsense outside of the usual trolls, and its no fun always talking to level headed logical folks all the time. If your believing that I'm stalking you after literally only responding to you twice in a few days keeps you around, shit man, I'll hide in your bushes all you'd like.
And make no mistakes about it, I did miss you. Without you around, there wasn't really anyone spouting off inane nonsense outside of the usual trolls, and its no fun always talking to level headed logical folks all the time. If your believing that I'm stalking you after literally only responding to you twice in a few days keeps you around, shit man, I'll hide in your bushes all you'd like.
this is why i keep my games now and never trade games in, its my own personal game history. and when i die i can pass it on.
I called the media obsolete, champ. Not the games. Read the post. I think you'll have a hard time arguing that UMDs aren't obsolete. Those fucking things were obsolete the day the PSP launched.
But hey, like I said, if there's anyone around here that's uniquely qualified to take something I said and entirely reimagine and repurpose it to make a completely different point, it's you. Have at it.
But hey, like I said, if there's anyone around here that's uniquely qualified to take something I said and entirely reimagine and repurpose it to make a completely different point, it's you. Have at it.
I think Nintendo does an alright job with this. Who decides what deserves 'protection' though? As long as classic games are playable in some form, people will continue to play the classics.
You'll have to excuse me if I was confused. Telling people that they're a cancer for complaining about not being able to convert out of obsolete media cheaply like they can in Japan, under the argument that they shouldn't want to play games on obsolete media seems kinda confusing.
I'm not rearranging your points, It just didn't occur to me that you'd call people out over wanting to use antiquated media and call them a cancer when the article was about not being able to transfer out of said media. They agreed that the UMD was obsolete, that was the point of people complaining, then you called them the cancer that's killing the industry, or something.
I'm not rearranging your points, It just didn't occur to me that you'd call people out over wanting to use antiquated media and call them a cancer when the article was about not being able to transfer out of said media. They agreed that the UMD was obsolete, that was the point of people complaining, then you called them the cancer that's killing the industry, or something.
@Startyde That just pisses me off, I loved that movie.
Since most (if not all) of the video game content ever made can be digitized I see no not reason not to preserve it. Memory is cheap and is becoming cheaper as time goes on. Compare the cost of a HDD by MB now as compared to a decade ago, rather stark difference. BY all means proceed, nobody will be harmed and those who want to regale in the history of video games will have the resources to do so.
Since most (if not all) of the video game content ever made can be digitized I see no not reason not to preserve it. Memory is cheap and is becoming cheaper as time goes on. Compare the cost of a HDD by MB now as compared to a decade ago, rather stark difference. BY all means proceed, nobody will be harmed and those who want to regale in the history of video games will have the resources to do so.
But seriously, I think he's right in saying that when you take it in the context of consumer history. We will continue to be f'd until we do something about it. Look at Australlia, for instance, simply driven into a ditch because no one as seeked to try and stop it. Let us hope that we are more conscious of these things going forward and garner our consumer rights.
Spector is absolutely right. Sites like GOG are fighting the good fight, but it's an uphill battle. Think about how many people heard about Planescape: Torment and never actually experienced it because it wasn't easily and legally available. Think about all the people who played Robert Yang's recent Portal 2 level pack and didn't recognize the test chamber from the first Half-Life deliberately placed at the end of the last level. Think about how many people never bothered to play Ico and SOTC until the recent collection. We have all these masterpieces, and we're only starting to treat them with a modicum of respect. It's a real shame.
so, buying games and new systems just ain't enough to support and preserve the history if games?
what media is he fucking talking about as "been lost". polaroid cameras?
we have museums that collect and hold the data, its on them, the devs and publishers to submit the hardwares and copywritten works they want to show and preserve.
its not on me to make sure i can still remember tecmo super bowl. its not on me to remember acclaim, hudson, capcom, midway, ea, activision, squarenix.
its on them to preserve the information, not me. i've given them alot of money over the years. maybe, just maybe, they can use a little of that money to preserve their works. if i try, i'll just get sued for trying to make a buck off of history.
i can remember them right now, they may not be able as if they can't see any profit in saving them. maybe we all should go out, give them our last penny and then see what they say. i bet it'll be something along the lines of "money is just not enough to help preserve the history, so we're just gonna spend that money on ourselves instead of give it back.
fuck that bullshit.
what media is he fucking talking about as "been lost". polaroid cameras?
we have museums that collect and hold the data, its on them, the devs and publishers to submit the hardwares and copywritten works they want to show and preserve.
its not on me to make sure i can still remember tecmo super bowl. its not on me to remember acclaim, hudson, capcom, midway, ea, activision, squarenix.
its on them to preserve the information, not me. i've given them alot of money over the years. maybe, just maybe, they can use a little of that money to preserve their works. if i try, i'll just get sued for trying to make a buck off of history.
i can remember them right now, they may not be able as if they can't see any profit in saving them. maybe we all should go out, give them our last penny and then see what they say. i bet it'll be something along the lines of "money is just not enough to help preserve the history, so we're just gonna spend that money on ourselves instead of give it back.
fuck that bullshit.
Anyone who is as obsessed with gaming in all its forms as I am know that gamers are the most apatheic fuckers to ever pollute the planet...except when dealing with their one super-favorite funtime super-game. In all other cases, gamers don't give a fuck.
On that note, I call on YOU Warren Spector to stop wasting your damn time with Disney, give Ken Levine a call and fucking get to work on System Shock 3.
On that note, I call on YOU Warren Spector to stop wasting your damn time with Disney, give Ken Levine a call and fucking get to work on System Shock 3.
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