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The Legacy of Kain series is very, very important to me. I love the world, the characters, the story, and everything else in between. I've missed it dearly.
Why reboot it in the first place? The last game ended in a cliffhanger, why not just pick up the story from there?
I still can't bring myself to toss my old Soul Reaver disc, despite it being mangled beyond hope and utterly useless.
Just thinking about the game as I type makes me want, so hard, for this reboot to happen (and not suck.)
Just thinking about the game as I type makes me want, so hard, for this reboot to happen (and not suck.)
I still can't bring myself to toss my old Soul Reaver disc, despite it being mangled beyond hope and utterly useless.
Just thinking about the game as I type makes me want, so hard, for this reboot to happen (and not suck.)
Just thinking about the game as I type makes me want, so hard, for this reboot to happen (and not suck.)
Who will be their Amy Hennig this time? Assuming it is indeed a reboot and not an "HD" re-release. I am too cynical an old, so I'm already expecting a childish travesty, and an awful re-voicing of the elder god (R.I.P. Tony Jay).
No. Just plain out no.
A reboot of the almost perfectly made story with almost perfect characters and voice acting? When the people responsible for this perfection won't even be working on the reboot? fuck that.
An HD re-relese? Ok. A spin-off or a very nicely made continuation, even with a new character in focus (like Soul Reaver was a veeery different spin on the series at first, but defined series as a result) - i'm all for it. Even without the writer/director Amy Hennig (who works with Naughty Dog now), even without any creative input from Silicon Knights but made just by Crystal Dynamics guys, whom i still love it *might* work. Even without few key people, who either went to a different company or passed away (including Tony Jay, his voice will be missed).
But reboot? It will kill the series, plain and simple.
P.S. If you want to do something similar to LoK, but not actual LoK, just do something else, seriously. Darksiders pulled that off without much trouble, didn't they? There's no point in just sticking LoK name on something, it will only hurt the game. it's popular among people, who will not like a substitute and completely unknown to most. There's no "brand popularity" to speak of, to just use LoK name on something different.
A reboot of the almost perfectly made story with almost perfect characters and voice acting? When the people responsible for this perfection won't even be working on the reboot? fuck that.
An HD re-relese? Ok. A spin-off or a very nicely made continuation, even with a new character in focus (like Soul Reaver was a veeery different spin on the series at first, but defined series as a result) - i'm all for it. Even without the writer/director Amy Hennig (who works with Naughty Dog now), even without any creative input from Silicon Knights but made just by Crystal Dynamics guys, whom i still love it *might* work. Even without few key people, who either went to a different company or passed away (including Tony Jay, his voice will be missed).
But reboot? It will kill the series, plain and simple.
P.S. If you want to do something similar to LoK, but not actual LoK, just do something else, seriously. Darksiders pulled that off without much trouble, didn't they? There's no point in just sticking LoK name on something, it will only hurt the game. it's popular among people, who will not like a substitute and completely unknown to most. There's no "brand popularity" to speak of, to just use LoK name on something different.
About damn time!!! Soul Reaver 2 remains among my favorite games of all-time. Now make this happen Square.
Maybe they could sort out all the batshit insane timeline stuff while they're at it? Of course, I guess that's part of the charm of the series.
@Fugly Duckling
What exactly is wrong with the timeline? LoK has, probably, the best time-traveling story i've seen in my life, with all the story pieces always falling neatly into place and only one mistake, Crystal Dynamics actually aknowledged (made in Defiance, and made intentionally just to make one moment in game better, than it would've been).
What exactly is wrong with the timeline? LoK has, probably, the best time-traveling story i've seen in my life, with all the story pieces always falling neatly into place and only one mistake, Crystal Dynamics actually aknowledged (made in Defiance, and made intentionally just to make one moment in game better, than it would've been).
I'd play this. I tried playing Soul Reaver last year on PS1, but I couldn't get into it because of the antiquated controls and design. Still it's a series I want to play.
It'd have to be a reboot if they wanted you to play both characters, Defiance's main purpose was to reunite master and servant with one purpose.
Honestly if you haven't experienced this game go check out the let's play on it in the let's play archive. It is amazingly voice acted, amazingly written, and brilliant all-around.
Unless you count the gameplay part. That was mostly frustrating horse-shit. Everything else was astounding! Go check out the let's play damn you.
Honestly if you haven't experienced this game go check out the let's play on it in the let's play archive. It is amazingly voice acted, amazingly written, and brilliant all-around.
Unless you count the gameplay part. That was mostly frustrating horse-shit. Everything else was astounding! Go check out the let's play damn you.
@Klarden, your first comment.
I agree with you on how a reboot is just a rebranding trick, but look at the slavering mouths in here. I don't like the idea but man, it works. It works so well on us.
I agree with you on how a reboot is just a rebranding trick, but look at the slavering mouths in here. I don't like the idea but man, it works. It works so well on us.
I just never understood the appeal of Raziel.
Kain is one of the most glorious bastardly anti-heroes in all of gaming. He's the leading man, Raziel is a benchwarmer and better stowed away in a sword than allowed to speak or act again.
Kain is one of the most glorious bastardly anti-heroes in all of gaming. He's the leading man, Raziel is a benchwarmer and better stowed away in a sword than allowed to speak or act again.
@Silent
I always though Raziel was the true badass. I mean the guy sprouted wings and all the others were like, "um, this guy has to go." So they kill him and he still comes back to kick ass/save the world.
I always though Raziel was the true badass. I mean the guy sprouted wings and all the others were like, "um, this guy has to go." So they kill him and he still comes back to kick ass/save the world.
Sorry folks, I am with @Klarden and @dj-anon. There is no way this is going to work out without key members of the core team.
"It's unclear where this new game would fit in the series..."
First: Who cares! I've been waiting for like.. 10 years for this.
Second, and what I really came to say: When was the last time anyone claimed to know where these games really were int he series? The time traveling (possibly the best part) is so ludicrous and convoluted it hardly matter where we are in the series or timeline as long as the game doesn't go on hiatus for another decade after this game is released, lol
First: Who cares! I've been waiting for like.. 10 years for this.
Second, and what I really came to say: When was the last time anyone claimed to know where these games really were int he series? The time traveling (possibly the best part) is so ludicrous and convoluted it hardly matter where we are in the series or timeline as long as the game doesn't go on hiatus for another decade after this game is released, lol
Reading the comments I am starting to have doubts. Far too many games these days rely on gimmicks. I would be surprised if anyone could pull off such great story and characters as the original. HD remake, all of them.
@Cerun
yeah, i guess this is the Fallout situation, where before F3 everyone "loved fallout" but not the majority of them actually played it.
and i don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.
again, i'm not against any continuation of the series, if it's done right. or an HD re-release (including PC and Steam, preferably). But reboot? there's simply no need for it, given the series universe.
yeah, i guess this is the Fallout situation, where before F3 everyone "loved fallout" but not the majority of them actually played it.
and i don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.
again, i'm not against any continuation of the series, if it's done right. or an HD re-release (including PC and Steam, preferably). But reboot? there's simply no need for it, given the series universe.
@ Horadric Noob:
Raziel is not the hero, he is merely a tool that Kain effectively uses to break the timeline. Can't fight destiny and all that....unless you manipulate Raziel.
Which is actually the reason Kain killed Raziel.
Raziel is not the hero, he is merely a tool that Kain effectively uses to break the timeline. Can't fight destiny and all that....unless you manipulate Raziel.
Which is actually the reason Kain killed Raziel.
Judging from how games in this generation are a Soul Reaver re-boot would do the following things:
1. Eliminate any semblance of visual style in the graphics and replace it with completely generic gritty realism where the characters all look the same, have no unique flare whatsoever and everything looks like it's covered in wet asphalt.
2. Eliminate any gameplay variety and replace it with quick time events. No more platforming; just fake QTE "traversal" sections like Uncharted where you have a line of glowing handholds and you push forward on the joystick to have an adventure. All the gameplay will consist of going from room to room killing waves of enemies non stop in order to grind meta numbers.
3. No more environmental/level design; all environments will consist of cluttered tubes with a bunch of cutscenes playing in the skybox.
1. Eliminate any semblance of visual style in the graphics and replace it with completely generic gritty realism where the characters all look the same, have no unique flare whatsoever and everything looks like it's covered in wet asphalt.
2. Eliminate any gameplay variety and replace it with quick time events. No more platforming; just fake QTE "traversal" sections like Uncharted where you have a line of glowing handholds and you push forward on the joystick to have an adventure. All the gameplay will consist of going from room to room killing waves of enemies non stop in order to grind meta numbers.
3. No more environmental/level design; all environments will consist of cluttered tubes with a bunch of cutscenes playing in the skybox.
"new art direction" - And I already know this game will be crap. The art direction of the series was simply beautiful in my opinion and usually it doesn't go very well when developers decide to replace awesome things. "Full reworking" suggests either a more casual game or just a simple low-quality cash-in.
Called it here, we'll see how it goes. There's nothing I'd want more than a new Soul Reaver game but I'm very skeptical on this one. Talk about hoping I'm wrong...
Called it here, we'll see how it goes. There's nothing I'd want more than a new Soul Reaver game but I'm very skeptical on this one. Talk about hoping I'm wrong...
@Klarden
I just find it difficult to explain this:
http://www.fybertech.com/4get/13308044902374.jpg
I'm not saying it's bad or good, I'm saying it gets confusing after a while.
I just find it difficult to explain this:
http://www.fybertech.com/4get/13308044902374.jpg
I'm not saying it's bad or good, I'm saying it gets confusing after a while.
@Fugly Duckling
i honestly never got confused by it. maybe i'm just judging by my way of thinking and percieveing. I always thought it was very clear and easy to understand. I mean, every time some "conflict" (when you're influencing the events of the other game or other moment in the same game) happened i went "oh, wow, that's neat, i get it".
but the story is actually very easy to explain and is given in a very nice way. Something we can Amy hennig to thank for, i guess.
i honestly never got confused by it. maybe i'm just judging by my way of thinking and percieveing. I always thought it was very clear and easy to understand. I mean, every time some "conflict" (when you're influencing the events of the other game or other moment in the same game) happened i went "oh, wow, that's neat, i get it".
but the story is actually very easy to explain and is given in a very nice way. Something we can Amy hennig to thank for, i guess.
I have very mixed feelings about this.
On one hand: I want more Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver. On the other: No Amy Hennig writing? If Michael Bell and Simon Templeman aren't coning to play Raziel and Kain I'm not interested... oh, and with Tony Jay dead, who is gonna voice the Elder God?
On one hand: I want more Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver. On the other: No Amy Hennig writing? If Michael Bell and Simon Templeman aren't coning to play Raziel and Kain I'm not interested... oh, and with Tony Jay dead, who is gonna voice the Elder God?
I'd rather see a sequel than a reboot but that seems kind of unlikely. It's been what, ten years? They wrapped up the storyline pretty well from what I remember anyway.
But yeah, more Soul Reaver is good either way. One of my all time favorites actually.
But yeah, more Soul Reaver is good either way. One of my all time favorites actually.
Rebooting when the original story has no conclusion, brilliant.
Of course the head creative figure is at Naughty Dog now but still.
Of course the head creative figure is at Naughty Dog now but still.
Soul Reaver is great and all, but fuck that! They better mean the Legacy of Kain franchise and they better start with Blood Omen. Kain is where it's at, and Simon Templeman better be Kain or I will flip.
If it's good, I'll buy it. If it sucks, I won't buy it. Don't understand all the paranoia here. The awesome games in this series will never go away.
It wouldn't be Legacy of Kain without it's title characters: Kain (Simon Templeman) and Raziel (Michael Bell)
Please don't screw this up. I love this series so much! I even like "Defiance" which a lot of people hated.
I hope the writing will match the originals because the dialog and and story of those games (Blood Omen 2 excluded, i guess) were incredibly well written and acted! Too bad Tony Jay passed away, he was awesome.
Please don't screw this up. I love this series so much! I even like "Defiance" which a lot of people hated.
I hope the writing will match the originals because the dialog and and story of those games (Blood Omen 2 excluded, i guess) were incredibly well written and acted! Too bad Tony Jay passed away, he was awesome.
I, like many others, are of two minds... I LOVE the universe and the characters, but I see that we've got more historical proof that any 'reboot' would tread poorly on these facets..
I WOULD love an all HD Re-Release of ALL the games, as I never truly played everyone to completion, and would love to again...
on the third hand...
VAE VICTOUS..
I WOULD love an all HD Re-Release of ALL the games, as I never truly played everyone to completion, and would love to again...
on the third hand...
VAE VICTOUS..
That sounds pretty cool to me. I remember really liking most of Soul Reaver and Defiance. (There were a few obtuse parts.) But hey, it was good stuff, and I'd love to see something interesting with it.
Tony Jay is mother fucking dead. This will not work. ;____; TOOOONYYYY JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!
A "reboot" could mean two things here: They rework the entire series into some kind of Twilighty bullshit that turn Kain from an arrogant (and impossibly awesome) prick
or
They revive it by continuing the story from where Kain has been freed from the corruption of the Pillars.
The latter would make sense since Tony Jay has died. Raziel isn't really needed and the game's real hero is back in the spotlight.
or
They revive it by continuing the story from where Kain has been freed from the corruption of the Pillars.
The latter would make sense since Tony Jay has died. Raziel isn't really needed and the game's real hero is back in the spotlight.
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