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"Seriously, Jack? Did you seriously just try and claim that the PS3 is a mainstream brand while the Wii is more of a niche console, only suitable for "select audiences?""
I think you're reading into his statement too much. He said the Playstation brand, not the PS3. I'm not sure if the Wii or Playstation brands would be more recognizable to the average, non-video game obsessed person -- both are pretty well known at this point -- but what he's saying is not entirely untrue.
I think you're reading into his statement too much. He said the Playstation brand, not the PS3. I'm not sure if the Wii or Playstation brands would be more recognizable to the average, non-video game obsessed person -- both are pretty well known at this point -- but what he's saying is not entirely untrue.
"...ultimately we deliver to the masses on a worldwide basis and that's what we've done for the last 15 years."
Unlike Nintendo?
Unlike Nintendo?
yea you missed the ball on this one jim... hating on jack are we? no doubt any exec is a douche but you are misreading
Lol, oh Sony. Don't miss slapping yourselves on the back, while tripping over everyone elses foot up your ass.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
PS3 winning is good for the industry? Really? Damn Sony, I love your consoles, but but get your head out of your ass. The industry isn't going to collapse because you aren't winning. I understand it's his job to say this stuff, but my goodness. This statement was a whole new level of ignorance.
I do agree that Sony take more chances than Nintendo, because that's obvious, but I don't think that Sony needs to win in order for the industry to thrive. It has more to do with the economy sucking rather than the PS3 is not winning that the industry has been down this year. I'm glad the PS3 is selling more, but it doesn't need to be winning in order for the industry to go back up.
Sorry Jack :D
PS3 winning is good for the industry? Really? Damn Sony, I love your consoles, but but get your head out of your ass. The industry isn't going to collapse because you aren't winning. I understand it's his job to say this stuff, but my goodness. This statement was a whole new level of ignorance.
I do agree that Sony take more chances than Nintendo, because that's obvious, but I don't think that Sony needs to win in order for the industry to thrive. It has more to do with the economy sucking rather than the PS3 is not winning that the industry has been down this year. I'm glad the PS3 is selling more, but it doesn't need to be winning in order for the industry to go back up.
Sorry Jack :D
Last I checked Nintendo took a might big fucking risk with the Wii and the DS and recouped sales to all audiences.
Sony already expected technologies into an overpriced box. Whee. Innovative. Their console is just now gaining a competitve price point, starting to get exclusives worth owning, etc.
I'm sure ultimately Sony will do just fine but like the other two companies, their selective narcissism handicaps their ability to totally dominate this industry.
Sony already expected technologies into an overpriced box. Whee. Innovative. Their console is just now gaining a competitve price point, starting to get exclusives worth owning, etc.
I'm sure ultimately Sony will do just fine but like the other two companies, their selective narcissism handicaps their ability to totally dominate this industry.
... We don't have unlimited money, we cater to a more mass market audience. I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo"
EVen though I don't like the Wii, this makes me want to punch him in the face. Weren't they the ones saying "motion control is for bitches" when the Wii was introduced? Predicting the Wii would flop horribly as the worst gamble nintendo ever made? And now they are the "risky" ones, releasing the exact same Wiimote for their Playstation after Nintendo takes the risk years ago with the Wii?
There's bullshit, and then there's uberbullshit. This actually makes me upset. I can't believe he even said that.
EVen though I don't like the Wii, this makes me want to punch him in the face. Weren't they the ones saying "motion control is for bitches" when the Wii was introduced? Predicting the Wii would flop horribly as the worst gamble nintendo ever made? And now they are the "risky" ones, releasing the exact same Wiimote for their Playstation after Nintendo takes the risk years ago with the Wii?
There's bullshit, and then there's uberbullshit. This actually makes me upset. I can't believe he even said that.
This is Corporia. It's just the way it goes. This sounds to me like a sales pitch to the impressionable kids who can be recruited into the SDF.
Why do these things surprise and/or upset people? You don't rise up in Corporia by telling the truth and being nice or fair. I thought this was common knowledge by now. Chill out.
Why do these things surprise and/or upset people? You don't rise up in Corporia by telling the truth and being nice or fair. I thought this was common knowledge by now. Chill out.
"I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo is"
I almost choked when I read that. Priceless.
I almost choked when I read that. Priceless.
Also, everyone knowns "In the Name of the King" did more for the fantasy movie business then "Lord of the Ring" ever did.
What else did you expect? Jack Tretton saying it is best for the industry if the 360 wins? Doesn't everybody say positive things about their company? Hell, Bill Gates even said the 360 was going to be the most reliable console on the market. Now tell me what is more ridiculous.
"ultimately we deliver to the masses on a worldwide basis and that's what we've done for the last 15 years"...
so... thats why here in south america the ps3 cost US$500, and worse, we dont have playstation store yet...
so... thats why here in south america the ps3 cost US$500, and worse, we dont have playstation store yet...
@Takeshi
Exactly. This is not worth getting all up in arms about. Broken promises, irresponsibility, these are things for consumers to get PO'd about. Not "We're the best," bull shit quotes.
Exactly. This is not worth getting all up in arms about. Broken promises, irresponsibility, these are things for consumers to get PO'd about. Not "We're the best," bull shit quotes.
"... We don't have unlimited money, we cater to a more mass market audience. I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo is..."
The Wii is so bland that it might as well be called the Gamecube 2 -- it's
backwards compatible for god's sake; so 20th century. The PS3 is so much more innovative with it's Trophies, Killzone 2, and motion control.
The Wii is so bland that it might as well be called the Gamecube 2 -- it's
backwards compatible for god's sake; so 20th century. The PS3 is so much more innovative with it's Trophies, Killzone 2, and motion control.
The only risk Sony has ever took....ever, is pricing a console at a level no one could afford.
Didn't really work out for them.
Didn't really work out for them.
It's not much worse than what everyone else says, it's all just PR BS. If they follow suit on this, at the next E3 they'll talk about sales numbers over competitors for half of their press conference.
(the bag of random swag you sent for the Cobra thing came, it is AWESOME, thx guys)
Also I think Sony may be doing stupid things to get attention, like the kid who eats light bulbs.
Also I think Sony may be doing stupid things to get attention, like the kid who eats light bulbs.
What the hell? How can I take a word anything this guy says seriously when he thinks the PS3 / PSP are "riskier" than the Wii/DS? Nintendo is developing a peripheral that measures you're freaking pulse, that's pretty damn risky to me. But guess what? We KNOW somehow, Nintendo will make it good.
Meanwhile, Sony rips off the Wii with their PS3-Wiimote, and Apple with their download only gaming device. Innovation? I think not.
Yeah, you expect them to make their system sound better than it is, but not to the point where you question everything about their credibility. Probably one of the most blatantly idiotic things I've heard a PR person say in the last few years.
That said, it's freakin' hilarious.
Meanwhile, Sony rips off the Wii with their PS3-Wiimote, and Apple with their download only gaming device. Innovation? I think not.
Yeah, you expect them to make their system sound better than it is, but not to the point where you question everything about their credibility. Probably one of the most blatantly idiotic things I've heard a PR person say in the last few years.
That said, it's freakin' hilarious.
@ wanderpixel
Couldn't have said it better myself (unless you'd dropped an F bomb in there, that is).
Couldn't have said it better myself (unless you'd dropped an F bomb in there, that is).
Jessica Alba marrying me is best for Jessica Alba, says me. That's why I don't understand why she hasn't called me yet.
Urgh, I can't believe I'm going to say this... but he KIND of has a point. Not a great point, and not much of value in the literal quotation, but consider technology.
PC gaming isn't as popular as it used to be, right? Well, it's PC gaming that drives technology. Or drove. ATI and nVidia predominantly, hacking away at each other over the last few years, the result of which was rapid advancement of graphical fidelity. Enter stage left Agea and the like, working for their own market share and incidentally progressing tech along with it.
Yeah graphics aren't gameplay, yadda yadda. What a load of bullshit. "Gameplay" is an esoteric mish-mash of concepts that aim for a singular result - immersion. And graphics play a pretty big part to that end.
So with PC gaming quietly crying in a corner (for this generation at least, and potentially much longer), who is driving tech?
It's certainly not Microsoft. They're taking the sensible business approach. They release a fairly gutsy console, at a respectable price, and then charge you for every single little fucking thing they possibly can. But that's neither here nor there. The real problem is that Microsoft isn't interested in advancing tech, they're interested in hitting the lowest common denominator and making a bazillion dollars, so they'll never push for OMGOURCONSOLECANCURECANCER, and for the consumer this generation, that's really fucking tops.
Nintendo are going for the "Let's CHANGE the way people play" approach, which is all good and dandy, but we all know how that turned out. Gimmicks are fun for 20 minutes, and I certainly hope the entire industry doesn't suddenly decide to 'innovate' by devolving into an avalanche of cutesy half assed sports sims and exercise kits.
So there's Sony. Arrogant, stupid, ridiculously unjustifiably cocky, Sony. They're pushing the tech, still aiming for the piece of computing hardware that doesn't just blow your socks off, but simultaneously collapses into a quantum singularity of it's own awesome. Costs a bazillion dollars, loses them a bazillionzillion dollars... but at the moment, they're the only ones out there that are going to challenge Microsoft - the only other serious competitor at the moment (hoping Nintendo picks up their game for the next gen) - to really push the next generation.
So gamers can shove their hoity toity "graphics aren't gameplay" and "physics don't matter" and "PFFT cell LOL" right up their ass. I want the next generation to LOOK next gen. I want it to be so full of next-gen-ness that my eyes bleed. I want shit breaking and liquids flowing and all of that superfluous crap that can't save a shitty game, but can make a great game FUCKING AWESOME. And if there is no real competition in this market, that just won't happen.
While I rarely play my PS3, and adore my 360 to the point of unhealthy longing, I'm really fucking glad that we still have Sony, standing up there and banging their chest, justified or not, because at least they still believe that the old school, give-me-all-the-bells-and-whistles, live-it-breathe-it gamers exist, and it's not all about selling the same tired old clones to mass market audiences.
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PC gaming isn't as popular as it used to be, right? Well, it's PC gaming that drives technology. Or drove. ATI and nVidia predominantly, hacking away at each other over the last few years, the result of which was rapid advancement of graphical fidelity. Enter stage left Agea and the like, working for their own market share and incidentally progressing tech along with it.
Yeah graphics aren't gameplay, yadda yadda. What a load of bullshit. "Gameplay" is an esoteric mish-mash of concepts that aim for a singular result - immersion. And graphics play a pretty big part to that end.
So with PC gaming quietly crying in a corner (for this generation at least, and potentially much longer), who is driving tech?
It's certainly not Microsoft. They're taking the sensible business approach. They release a fairly gutsy console, at a respectable price, and then charge you for every single little fucking thing they possibly can. But that's neither here nor there. The real problem is that Microsoft isn't interested in advancing tech, they're interested in hitting the lowest common denominator and making a bazillion dollars, so they'll never push for OMGOURCONSOLECANCURECANCER, and for the consumer this generation, that's really fucking tops.
Nintendo are going for the "Let's CHANGE the way people play" approach, which is all good and dandy, but we all know how that turned out. Gimmicks are fun for 20 minutes, and I certainly hope the entire industry doesn't suddenly decide to 'innovate' by devolving into an avalanche of cutesy half assed sports sims and exercise kits.
So there's Sony. Arrogant, stupid, ridiculously unjustifiably cocky, Sony. They're pushing the tech, still aiming for the piece of computing hardware that doesn't just blow your socks off, but simultaneously collapses into a quantum singularity of it's own awesome. Costs a bazillion dollars, loses them a bazillionzillion dollars... but at the moment, they're the only ones out there that are going to challenge Microsoft - the only other serious competitor at the moment (hoping Nintendo picks up their game for the next gen) - to really push the next generation.
So gamers can shove their hoity toity "graphics aren't gameplay" and "physics don't matter" and "PFFT cell LOL" right up their ass. I want the next generation to LOOK next gen. I want it to be so full of next-gen-ness that my eyes bleed. I want shit breaking and liquids flowing and all of that superfluous crap that can't save a shitty game, but can make a great game FUCKING AWESOME. And if there is no real competition in this market, that just won't happen.
While I rarely play my PS3, and adore my 360 to the point of unhealthy longing, I'm really fucking glad that we still have Sony, standing up there and banging their chest, justified or not, because at least they still believe that the old school, give-me-all-the-bells-and-whistles, live-it-breathe-it gamers exist, and it's not all about selling the same tired old clones to mass market audiences.
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I wonder what the hell Tretton will say when the October numbers roll in, and the Wii still beats out the PS3.
@theswitcher
That's only because Nintendo selected a select audience that just happened to be larger than the more mainstream, yet smaller, audience that Sony is targeting.
That's only because Nintendo selected a select audience that just happened to be larger than the more mainstream, yet smaller, audience that Sony is targeting.
as a 22 year old female i believe i am in the generally not selected consumer audience. my first new gen console was the 360. my second was the wii. my last was the ps3 and its also the one i play the least...
@mkshiranui
Was motion control ever really fun? All I remember thinking the day I got my Wii was "I wish all these idiots would get away from my console so I can stop playing Wii Sports and play Zelda." Then later when I was playing Zelda, I remember thinking "I wish I would have gotten the Gamecube version."
Was motion control ever really fun? All I remember thinking the day I got my Wii was "I wish all these idiots would get away from my console so I can stop playing Wii Sports and play Zelda." Then later when I was playing Zelda, I remember thinking "I wish I would have gotten the Gamecube version."
what faultymoose said. One just needs to look at the PC market to see what happens when MS "wins"......they get just as cocky.
Sony does take more risks than Nintendo! You don't see Nintendo charging double what the competition charges for its consoles, do you?You don't see Nintendo offering a new SKU for its portable gaming library that has less functionality than the previous installment and charging over 50% more for it, do you? Those are some risks, man! Case closed!
Sony said something positive about sony, everyone NERRRRRD RAAAAAAAGE.
Serioulsly people its PR nothing to get this wound up about, you all look crazy.
Serioulsly people its PR nothing to get this wound up about, you all look crazy.
if you look at the history of the industry, innovation hasn't been sony's strong suit. they're still using a glorified snes controller for crying out loud. it seems to me that they only concern themselves with processors and chipsets, while the artistic software takes a back seat. i'm so glad that sony doesn't lead the market any longer, because if they did, we would still be playing the same old games repackaged for the ps3. it surprises me to see the hardcore gamer being mostly unwilling to support change in the industry (wii). it's only a matter of time before the industry stops catering to your incessant need for ps2 retreads.
@ faultymoose
you really have a strong point there about ms not pushing the industry, and wii having a problem with poor development. i see the 360 really being the ps2 of this gen. kind of the lowest common denominator of this gen. not really that high tech of a machine, and catering to the big title gamer. the wii really sought to push the industry in a new direction, but no one else has yet wanted to do anything but put out garbage software. nintendo, it seems, is too busy catering to the new market to develop compelling software, which is a shame, because they're still the best game dev in the business. sony has found a new niche this gen, however. they are now the company that has the most technologically advanced hardware. it seems that their plan backfired mostly due to their weak software, which has always been their shortcoming. hopefully, now that motion control is becoming the industry standard, we'll see the software improve in kind.
the best thing you or i can do as gamers, is to stop supporting the big name companies that are flooding the market with garbage software. ie: activision, ea, ubisoft, and the like. not that i expect this to happen over night, because then dtoid wouldn't have anything to write about;-)
@ faultymoose
you really have a strong point there about ms not pushing the industry, and wii having a problem with poor development. i see the 360 really being the ps2 of this gen. kind of the lowest common denominator of this gen. not really that high tech of a machine, and catering to the big title gamer. the wii really sought to push the industry in a new direction, but no one else has yet wanted to do anything but put out garbage software. nintendo, it seems, is too busy catering to the new market to develop compelling software, which is a shame, because they're still the best game dev in the business. sony has found a new niche this gen, however. they are now the company that has the most technologically advanced hardware. it seems that their plan backfired mostly due to their weak software, which has always been their shortcoming. hopefully, now that motion control is becoming the industry standard, we'll see the software improve in kind.
the best thing you or i can do as gamers, is to stop supporting the big name companies that are flooding the market with garbage software. ie: activision, ea, ubisoft, and the like. not that i expect this to happen over night, because then dtoid wouldn't have anything to write about;-)
@bobyoko: Absolutely, the 360 is this generation's PS2 and it's worked well for both Microsoft and the consumer. And you're right that the PS3 backfired. Still, I'm glad it's there. If it wasn't, then Microsoft wouldn't have the competition they need to step up next generation. Any market without competition becomes stagnant, quickly. I hope the gap can be shortened next gen, so that all 3 consoles share similar levels of success, because for the consumer, that's the best possible outcome.
Wit, I don't wnt the video game industry to survive, I want gaming to survive. And I believe that only one of the two can exist at any given time.
So what's best for gaming is for Sony to fail miserably, because it would desimate the industry.
So what's best for gaming is for Sony to fail miserably, because it would desimate the industry.
@Faultymoose
I hear what you are saying dude, but this industry is always changing, and would always move forward because competition is what drives any industry. If it wasn't Sony, Apple might have entered the home console market, or someone else.
Sony and PS3 are an example, of thinking with your head too far up tech ass (something the PC market suffered from so much, that it was almost crippled by chip makers, forever boosting their chips every year, and developers/customers having to fight to keep up with them, this is why majority of the devs are on consoles now), and in contrast Nintendo and Wii are the opposite, no thinking enough with tech under the hood in mind (and software too, which is why devs shy from them). And hey, look who falls nicely between them both, MS and 360. 360 is a nice balance of both, while bringing new ideas like achievements, party chat, decent seemless multiplayer and mics as standard to the console table, and these late endeavours both Sony and Nintendo have yet to match or include as standard. Natal is going to bring something unique enough, which isn't like Sony and Nintendo's motion stuff as much.
Whoever leads, should bring some fresh ideas to the table, to expand gaming and its audience. Tech is not just about graphic chips anymore, but also hard drive (optical of solid state), broadband services etc, all those things a PC has had in sycn for years. Once again, it wasn't Sony or Nintendo who worked hard enough on these but MS, after building on the ashes of Dreamcast, with Live. I was once a staunch Nintendo fan (I still love their games, but just like any others), and I was skeptical of MS entering the console market, but I can happily admit I was wrong. The industry and gamers have benefited from all players, even MS.
Whether you like it or not, graphics have reached their peak, and aren't going to change much from now on, unless stylised or have a few more charaters here, a lens flare there or whatever (unless you are the last PC gamer on planet earth).
I hear what you are saying dude, but this industry is always changing, and would always move forward because competition is what drives any industry. If it wasn't Sony, Apple might have entered the home console market, or someone else.
Sony and PS3 are an example, of thinking with your head too far up tech ass (something the PC market suffered from so much, that it was almost crippled by chip makers, forever boosting their chips every year, and developers/customers having to fight to keep up with them, this is why majority of the devs are on consoles now), and in contrast Nintendo and Wii are the opposite, no thinking enough with tech under the hood in mind (and software too, which is why devs shy from them). And hey, look who falls nicely between them both, MS and 360. 360 is a nice balance of both, while bringing new ideas like achievements, party chat, decent seemless multiplayer and mics as standard to the console table, and these late endeavours both Sony and Nintendo have yet to match or include as standard. Natal is going to bring something unique enough, which isn't like Sony and Nintendo's motion stuff as much.
Whoever leads, should bring some fresh ideas to the table, to expand gaming and its audience. Tech is not just about graphic chips anymore, but also hard drive (optical of solid state), broadband services etc, all those things a PC has had in sycn for years. Once again, it wasn't Sony or Nintendo who worked hard enough on these but MS, after building on the ashes of Dreamcast, with Live. I was once a staunch Nintendo fan (I still love their games, but just like any others), and I was skeptical of MS entering the console market, but I can happily admit I was wrong. The industry and gamers have benefited from all players, even MS.
Whether you like it or not, graphics have reached their peak, and aren't going to change much from now on, unless stylised or have a few more charaters here, a lens flare there or whatever (unless you are the last PC gamer on planet earth).
And does Sony really believe it takes more risks than Nintendo? Nintendo reinvented both it's handhelds and it's consoles at the risk of it's own destruction as a first party hardware provider.
Sony knows nothing about risks.
Sony knows nothing about risks.
@mkshiranui
Probably because I'm not really familiar with Okami. Did motion control actually make Okami more fun than it was on PS2, though? I'm seriously asking, because I've never played either version.
Probably because I'm not really familiar with Okami. Did motion control actually make Okami more fun than it was on PS2, though? I'm seriously asking, because I've never played either version.
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