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PlayStation brand boss Kaz Hirai has given us a grounded look at the digital distribution scene, claiming that it's extremist to believe that we'll have an all-digital industry even within ten years. The polygonal executive has also stated that, whatever happens, the PlayStation 4 will need some form of physical media support.

“We do business in parts of the world where network infrastructure isn’t as robust as one would hope," states Hirai. "There’s always going to be requirement for a business of our size and scope to have a physical medium.

"To think everything will be downloaded in two years, three years or even ten years from now is taking it a little bit to the extreme."

It speaks of the naivety and almost childish lack of restraint that many game executives have that they believe digital distribution will happen overnight. The same thing happens with 3D gaming. A new idea comes along and these industry folk expect it to suddenly change everything and be the "future" of gaming. It may well be the future, but that doesn't mean it'll happen next week. 

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John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 08:52
John B
Only when game companies allow double-digit or unlimited downloads of purchases will I consider download-only to be viable. Consoles are mechanical devices. They will eventually fail. It's not a matter of "if". It's a matter of "when".

Physical discs, however, can last a lifetime if properly maintained. No hard drive can make that claim.
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 08:52
koehler83
Why Hello Olivia. How very relevant you find yourself this morning.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 08:54
John B
Physical discs also don't require an Internet connection to install. Any on-line activation is another matter, of course.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 08:54
amtalx
He makes a good point. I guess it's easy for us with speedy connections to think that downloadable games are on our doorstep, and forget that not every country has booming infrastructure.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:01
StingingVelvet
As I said in a recent news item, download only for massive mainstream games will take a decade at least. It will continue to be a place for niche games to succeed though without the hassles and expense of retail distribution (and in the PC's case, console licensing).
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:02
The Silent Protagonist
Right and a few years ago people told me that we wouldn't see feature length movies streamed to our homes over the internet for at least 15 years.

Then Netflix and Hulu happened.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:07
Xzyliac
I was talking to a friend about this earlier this week.

I work at one of the local record shops, we also sell a lot of books, DVDs, and book, but our CD department is constantly thrashed. It has to be our most popular and fiscally prosperous department.

That's after iTunes and how easy it is to pirate music. While the physical option might not remain the most popular you'd be a fool to imply it will ever die or shrink to irrelevancy. At least here in the States, I know tradition is too strong.
Unit 076's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:15
Unit 076
Thank God for companies who still think about their costumer's lame internet service!
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:18
Drakengard
Ten years from now, I'd say that Japan, much of the US and Western Europe will be capable of going DD...

But the rest of the world? Not likely. And, no, I'm not trying to ignore Singapore, South Korea, Columbia, and other developed nations, but you know what I mean overall.
Nightsama's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:21
Nightsama
Sooo...

...is this sony officially giving up on the PSPGo or what?
fpoitr's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:22
fpoitr
Hmmm... the Phantom gaming console Phantom Entertainment formerly known as Infinium Labs was a DLC only console that never saw the light of day. That was back in '04.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:24
meteorscrap
@The Silent Protagonist

Sure, streaming movies are an option. But they haven't replaced the good ol' DVD or BluRay by any stretch of the definition, have they? That's what Hirai's getting at, I think. Sure, we might see digital distribution offered, perhaps even with some more robust options that make it viable to cut out the middleman.

Either at the tail-end of this generation or beginning with the next, most titles will probably be offered two ways: digital and physical. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft are going to need the network infastructure for the day they DO switch to all-digital, and practicing on a console with the backup of having a physical distribution in place would be smart.

Of course, there's going to be plenty of ways to entice the customer into buying digital over physical. I wouldn't be surprised in the least for companies to do any of the following:

-Game Rentals, where for a set fee smaller than permanently "buying" a game, you get full access to the title for X amount of days or even hours. With an optional "Hey, if you'd like to purchase the game for keeps, we'll discount the cost of the rental from the price!" Imagine how many people would go for this?

-Earlier Releases, anywhere from a few days to a week. The hot new thing coming out, like Halo: Reach II or Final Fantasy Versus XIII? Gamers opposing the idea of digital distribution would convert ON THE SPOT if it meant getting their hands on the next new thing in advance.

-DLC Included. Imagine being offered the choice between a digital copy that will get free DLC updates automatically or a physical copy that won't and costs ten bucks more. I know which I'd choose.

Yes, there are options. However, the only way this is going to happen is if Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo put some heavy infrastructure into place first. Personally, I'm not a fan of digital media and will gladly continue to cling to my discs like a heathen afraid of fire, but I'm probably an exception to the rule.
ctrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:32
ctrain
I'm hoping you're right Drakengard. I love DDs. Wait....it stands for what? Digital huh? Oh, I was talking about something completely different.

The current system is too perfect. I get a disc, play it, trade it in, and then it can be resold in a location with less reliable infrastructure where the new owner will be unable to play online, and will have no reason to fork over more money for an online pass. Suck it, EA.
Ujn Hunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:36
Ujn Hunter
Well they could have an all digital distribution in 10 years... but they'd lose customers like me. Which is a huge loss considering I probably spend at least (no joke) $6,000 a year on this industry. I wouldn't be buying these things if they were digital bits on a hard drive.
MisterFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:42
MisterFox
Well, I'm somehow glad to see that.
Aguro's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:44
Aguro
There's just something about looking over at my shelf and all the games on it that fills me with quiet glee. Digital just doesn't have the same effect.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:46
catsithx
Well They still want to make money right so of course you want something like PS4 to exist just like the Phantom right? XD
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:50
Enzi
I'm not really a collector. I mean, I was but then the packages got smaller and now we have this abomination of a once glorious gaming box. Seriously, is anyone interested in a PS3 case? Cause I'm definately not. The huuuge boxes were great. The bigger the better!

Sure, I get most of the PS3 games from retail and especially PS3 games would be a little too huge to download but on the PC I get nearly everything from Steam. But if there's a fancy collector's edition involved I'll get the CE instead. Maybe I am a collector but they sure make collecting very very unattractive.

Overall, physical distribution will never die, I just hope they get back to some prettier boxes.
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 09:51
funran
I still don't think we'll have made the complete switch in 5-10 years, but obviously this is the way things are going. I just don't think the current server/internet support is ready to handle 8gb bluerays, and growing disc sizes over the internet any time soon. We need faster internet, and better distribution servers.
phthano's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:03
phthano
You always have the best post images ever.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:03
pedrovay2003
This makes me very, very happy.
Edge's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:21
Edge
I see the video game industry eventually adopting a model similar to the book industry. In the book industry, you can initially only buy a more expensive hardcover book and then eventually a cheaper paperback will be released. Console makers could release a physical copy and then eventually release a cheaper digital copy some time down the road. Microsoft and Sony are already seem to be testing this model out.
Jaffacakelover's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:25
Jaffacakelover
The neo-luddite in me is pleased by this news.
JulianProxy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:38
JulianProxy
I don't want to download 25 GB images of games. The time it would take would be more than I'm willing to wait. I want to have more than 10 games playable on my system at any given time. Remember that game from five years ago that you liked but haven't played a while so you deleted to make new room? Want to play it? Maybe in a few hours. No thanks! Also, I don't want to have my bandwidth usage suddenly questioned by my ISP when they change a policy that makes me console basically unusable. The ONLY way I can see DD working is to make it digital DISTRIBUTION, and put burning devices in the console with some DRM that I'll likely later complain about.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:38
HEL105
Nice to know that the PS4 will support physical media, hopefully the other console makers are thinking as clearly. Even in the U.S., there are extensive areas where broadband isn't available.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:44
Strandli
Even in Norway, one of the richest countries in the world, has bad internet connection. I've lived with a 1mbit connection the last years. Digital Download only would kill me :P Although our internet is not capped, which is good.
But even so, I've had friends who lived in the forest and didn't get internet before 4 years ago.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:51
mix
I agree, I like to actually "OWN" my stuff as shit on my HDD doesn't really feel like I own it.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:29
Mr Andy Dixon
I could see Microsoft going the digital-only route with the Xbox 3. XBLA has been a huge money-maker for them, and as much as I'd hate it, it wouldn't surprise me, coming from them.
MyStupidDream's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:45
MyStupidDream
I prefer physical media, but I understand the allure of digital ownership. The thing that kills me about digital distribution is that certain content demands that you be online in order to use it (i.e. XBL's Indie Games, certain PSN games and pieces of PSN DLC).

Plus, full current gen box games that can be officially downloaded from XBL's Games On Demand and the few popping up on PSN are terribly over priced and they're never discounted. I'd say that *every* one of those games can be found for at least $10 less in its physical form, usually much more. If I'm paying $20 or more for a game, I want a physical disc and a case.
JFF's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:54
JFF
In parts of the world where network infrastructure isn’t as robust as one would hope people don't have money to pay the incredibly expensive shipping and import taxes, so they use the weak network infrastructure to download jack versions of the games.
farlander's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:56
farlander
Well, considering how retarded their PSN is in North America (speeds vary from dial-up all the way up to 20 mbps - the most I was able to get out of it, but usually gravitate towards dial-up) - no wonder.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:15
GuitarAtomik
I find it funny when people seriously think we won't have physical media (for games at least) in as soon as 10 years. Reminds me of when people in the 1980s thought we'd be in flying cars and hover boards by 1999.
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:18
nicojay
Ahh seeing Olivia ride some fat guy. Good memories.

Once all the big guys go digital I bet some upstart company will make a physical media only console for guys like me who still long for the return of cartridges.
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:22
nicojay
GuitarAtomix is right, where is my efin' hoverboard.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:40
meteorscrap
@MyStupidDream

Agreed. Dead Space costs $19.99 via Games On Demand and also costs $19.99 at my local Blockbuster. It's really a no-brainer.

Regarding new games, I think $34.99 to $39.99 would be the sweet spot for digital distribution. Not a chance in hell I'm paying more. I realize that there's different costs associated with selling a game digitally and that it's not "free", but cutting out the middlemen (Games today go through at least two steps before they get to your hands) would drastically cut down the costs, which I feel should be passed on to the consumer.

I'd pay $39.99 to download a copy of Halo: Reach, for example.

And digital distribution would have the advantage of allowing developers and publishers to establish the price point. Instead of being faced with a barrage of games of varying quality and budgets all at nearly the same price, we could see games priced at what they're worth.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:59
pokota
Did Sterling just agree with someone from Sony? I'm frightened.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:18
KingSigy
Sony should know how bad an all digital device will sell.
flea friend's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:38
flea friend
It sounds like this guy has a good head on his shoulders. Still wondering why he couldn't have said to the devs running the PSPGo project, "guys, not yet..."
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:54
Crunshii
Sony is 150% right on this as they proved it with the PSPGo.

For once they are not talking out of their rear :)
jorge's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 15:15
jorge
Translation: We are invested in physical media (Bluray) and would like to keep it that way.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 15:43
akathatoneguy
Sure, digital distribution is great for rentals, or, ummm...stealing shit. But when you buy something, you generally want it to be tangible. It has worked well with music so far, but I just don't see it becoming the main form of game sales anytime soon. And by soon, I mean in the next decade, even.

The worst part is that if you look at downloadable 360 titles, etc., the savings of not having to package, ship, etc. aren't even passed on to the consumer. The vast majority of the time, you can get a physical copy cheaper than you can download a game. Why embrace that kind of "advancement"?
brod's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 18:02
brod
@Nightsama
"...is this sony officially giving up on the PSPGo or what?"

The PSPGo is always going to be a niche product, but Sony is still fully committed to digital downloads of PSP games (which are available on all PSPs, not just the Go).
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 21:41
TurboKill
I agree with Jims closing comment.

And I'd also add that it is also really expensive jumping onto each new innovation. (Going to next gen + HDTVs and then shelling out more for the silly 3D ones. Oh and the fact that Steam is pretty much the only service to get Digital Purchasing right outside of DLC and smaller scale games.)

Hell I'm not even on this Smartphone crazy. (Tracfone here; No bills)
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 21:42
TurboKill
er, *Craze
destructony's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/30/2010 19:29
destructony
It took half a gen for all consoles to have motion controllers, so suck on that deprecated old-timer
Jsparco's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/26/2011 12:32
Jsparco
Thanks for sharing! I look forward in viewing more on different media types.
I'm glad to see companies such as Sony, sharing the importance of physical media.
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