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Somehow its amusing how the mainstream media reacts. In Germany even offical goverment institutions are now on its way to bash Sony.
Been hearing reports of accounts used with PSN accounts haveing fraudulent charges. Could be fake, but either way it's probably a good idea for everyone with a credit card on their PSN accounts to report them stolen and get new cards.
Hear hear!
The only good that could come out of this is a reformed Sony that trie--
Nevermind I can't even kid myself.
The only good that could come out of this is a reformed Sony that trie--
Nevermind I can't even kid myself.
Thing is, I don't even know which cards I had on my PSN account. I'd check.. but PSN is down....
I just need to wait it out.
I just need to wait it out.
I'm curious if there are any dtoid-er's that are going to be dropping sony after this?
This isn't fanboy-ness, but I am really just curious if the potential risk of private information like this is enough to get people to just up and quit.
This isn't fanboy-ness, but I am really just curious if the potential risk of private information like this is enough to get people to just up and quit.
I love how Jim always try his best to make Sony looks in the worst way possible, no matter if it is a good news or a bad news. That aside, I agree that Sony was slow with the release of information and that she is partly responsible for any damage some people can have. Hope they are able to give a proper response to that. Also, Jim, why are you not bashing the hackers who may have stolen this data? Aren't they also responsible for this problem?
I couldn't help but think when Sony said that when Anonymous did their dos attack they probably shouldn't have been so cocky. Might not be related but pride does come before a fall.
@nanowerx ...yah man go ahead and have 70 million potential subscribers cancel their credit cards all at one. panic mindset maybe?
I actually agree with Wakatashi a little bit. while this IS news and NEEDS reporting- I do feel like Jim is going a bit overboard with it. ...but hes right. wtf is with all the damn updates if they dont do anything important?
I actually agree with Wakatashi a little bit. while this IS news and NEEDS reporting- I do feel like Jim is going a bit overboard with it. ...but hes right. wtf is with all the damn updates if they dont do anything important?
The thing about that is, if I wouldn't hang out on gaming websites all the time I still wouldn't know that my info was/could have been stolen. Still no e-mail from Sony about this (although I did get other Sony e-mails during this time).
" love how Jim always try his best to make Sony looks in the worst way possible, no matter if it is a good news or a bad news."
Not really. Sony's doing great on its own.
Not really. Sony's doing great on its own.
Sony is just getting fucking destroyed
I wanna see how they get out of this one
Hopefully soon, I want to play Portal 2 and MK
I wanna see how they get out of this one
Hopefully soon, I want to play Portal 2 and MK
The bottom line is Sony knew that the network had gotten hacked. They took the network down. They should have warned people that there was the POTENTIAL for their personal information to get stolen, and that would have at least given people the opportunity to take precautions. But they made everyone wait a week before they confirmed there was a security breach on their information.
Thanks for the heads up Sony!
Thanks for the heads up Sony!
"...it took our experts until yesterday to understand the scope of the breach."
Obviously, you went with the wrong experts, Sony.
Obviously, you went with the wrong experts, Sony.
It's all bullshit. Sony knew exactly what happened, or at least knew the scope of the issue the second that they pulled down the servers. The company has way too much money to lose by keeping the network down for an extended period of time. Someone is going to hammer them for this.
@Cosmictrigger
I'm really not sure, Right now it all depends on how they handle things and so far they are handling just about everything wrong, save the initial network takedown.
The question that comes to mind immediately is did they go to check the customer data first to make sure it wasn't compromised or did they jump strait to "figure out how much money we lost".
I'm also curious about Sony Stock, like how much got unloaded during that "holding pattern" we were in for the last few days.
Also Not too keen on the knowledge that apparently several titles can't even be played offline because their DRM or trophy syncing requires an online connection. This is the tip of that "It could never happen" iceberg involving the wonders of DRM and catastrophic server failure. It only gets worse from here.
Lets just say they have a lot of work to do to earn back my trust.
I'm really not sure, Right now it all depends on how they handle things and so far they are handling just about everything wrong, save the initial network takedown.
The question that comes to mind immediately is did they go to check the customer data first to make sure it wasn't compromised or did they jump strait to "figure out how much money we lost".
I'm also curious about Sony Stock, like how much got unloaded during that "holding pattern" we were in for the last few days.
Also Not too keen on the knowledge that apparently several titles can't even be played offline because their DRM or trophy syncing requires an online connection. This is the tip of that "It could never happen" iceberg involving the wonders of DRM and catastrophic server failure. It only gets worse from here.
Lets just say they have a lot of work to do to earn back my trust.
The biggest issue, on the Sony side (for me), has been the pretty bad consumer info job they've down throughout this. I don't, and I believe most others don't, blame Sony for being attacked and having to take PSN off-line. There are more than a few smart hack-monkeys out there in the wild with nothing but time on their hands and internet teens to impress. Bigger institutions than Sony have been hacked.
But self-inflicted shitty PR has hurt Sony big-time. Patrick Seybold has a big ol' fancy pants title, and I'm willing to bet a rather nice salary. Sony has about a zillion ways to keep gamers up-to-date with the latest happening. And yet all PSN users got was the occasional, brief, corporate-sounding missive on the corporate blog. That's pretty fail for Mr. Fancy-pants Job Seybold.*
While I don't fault Sony on the attack, I think in a lot of ways they squandered what should have been a sympathetic position with bad PR.
*(Bonus business-related whinge: Just like the overblown HR field, if you're going to spin 'Public Relations' into it's own discipline in business schools, it better produce people who can handle/spin info better than the senior-ranking secretary of yore who used to handle this stuff.)
But self-inflicted shitty PR has hurt Sony big-time. Patrick Seybold has a big ol' fancy pants title, and I'm willing to bet a rather nice salary. Sony has about a zillion ways to keep gamers up-to-date with the latest happening. And yet all PSN users got was the occasional, brief, corporate-sounding missive on the corporate blog. That's pretty fail for Mr. Fancy-pants Job Seybold.*
While I don't fault Sony on the attack, I think in a lot of ways they squandered what should have been a sympathetic position with bad PR.
*(Bonus business-related whinge: Just like the overblown HR field, if you're going to spin 'Public Relations' into it's own discipline in business schools, it better produce people who can handle/spin info better than the senior-ranking secretary of yore who used to handle this stuff.)
jim seriously go look for some other news. your just reposting the same info over and over adding stupid comments like "why have derp firmware updates if it didnt derp work"
obviously it was working for awhile. would you rather sony not update its security at all and have this happen every day?
obviously it was working for awhile. would you rather sony not update its security at all and have this happen every day?
@djvlive
So what, people should just wait for their debit/credit cards to start racking up on charges before they do anything? That's not very financially responsible at all! Also, you are kidding yourself if you think that all 70+million PSN account holders have cards tied to their account.
So what, people should just wait for their debit/credit cards to start racking up on charges before they do anything? That's not very financially responsible at all! Also, you are kidding yourself if you think that all 70+million PSN account holders have cards tied to their account.
This is why I don't like Sony . . . the bullshit. And the problem is is that they make some great products and have some very talented engineers, designers, scientists, etc. working there - it's just ruined by the marketing and general business assholes whenever they open their collective mouths.
I can understand that they didn't know that personal info was stolen until a few days into it but they knew it was serious enough to shut down the entire service, why not at least warn everyone there was a risk or even say that they got hacked instead of flat out lying and saying it was maintenance (at least at the beginning)?
I can understand that they didn't know that personal info was stolen until a few days into it but they knew it was serious enough to shut down the entire service, why not at least warn everyone there was a risk or even say that they got hacked instead of flat out lying and saying it was maintenance (at least at the beginning)?
So, it took 24 hours for Dtoid to get around to informing us that Sony had clarified why they had only mentioned the scope of the security breach when they did. What did you know and when did you know it, Dtoid?
Wait, you can't play some games offline because of trophy BS? Is this just a couple of downloadable 5 dollar games, or is this actual retail discs?
I guess I was right with my choice of 360 (even though 360 has some BS game save restrictions because of those damn achievements)
I guess I was right with my choice of 360 (even though 360 has some BS game save restrictions because of those damn achievements)
You gonna talk about this terrible injustice on this weeks Jimquisition at The Esacapist? Oh wait...
@nanowerx ...thats why I said "potentially"
what im saying is that people shouldn't freak out like chickens with their heads cut off simply because their credit card information was compromised. that happens to hundreds of thousands of people every year all over the world. stop panicking.
what im saying is that people shouldn't freak out like chickens with their heads cut off simply because their credit card information was compromised. that happens to hundreds of thousands of people every year all over the world. stop panicking.
So let me get this straight, they knew there was an intrusion from day one, but took them a whole fucking week to figure out WHAT KIND of intrusion it was?
What kind of naive person would swallow this? If there's an intrusion, you shut down everything and tell your costumers "there's been an intrusion", period. It's pretty fucking obvious from that fact alone that personal data could have been compromised; they could have told their costumers just to be on the safe side.
Please Sony, don't send us this bullshit to try to cover up your dick move (or lack of move) of not telling people shit.
What kind of naive person would swallow this? If there's an intrusion, you shut down everything and tell your costumers "there's been an intrusion", period. It's pretty fucking obvious from that fact alone that personal data could have been compromised; they could have told their costumers just to be on the safe side.
Please Sony, don't send us this bullshit to try to cover up your dick move (or lack of move) of not telling people shit.
Of course they can hide and wait. Japanese People are good in that.
And US Governors shouldn't talk so big, I mean, US Military Secrets where accessible by Google searches, it's not like they know something about internet security. Or the Walmart debacle a few months ago..
And US Governors shouldn't talk so big, I mean, US Military Secrets where accessible by Google searches, it's not like they know something about internet security. Or the Walmart debacle a few months ago..
Octomom is right, Sony done from great shit it's just their current business practices as of late are seriously horrible. It's always the mooks at the top that fuck over a legit company.
The FIRST thing most people would think when something gets broken into, is "did anything get stolen?"
Sony should have notified us right away once they had known there was a breach. even if they hadn't taken anything, saying "oops we were wrong they didn't take anything" would have been better than this mess.
Sony should have notified us right away once they had known there was a breach. even if they hadn't taken anything, saying "oops we were wrong they didn't take anything" would have been better than this mess.
Video from funny or die.com about the psn downtime:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/203260ab5b/a-plea-for-playstation?rel=featured
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/203260ab5b/a-plea-for-playstation?rel=featured
This isn't Sony's fault at al. If someone breaks into your dads house and steals your car keys, is it your dads fault?
NO.
Shit happens and people steal stuff, get over and move the fuck on.
NO.
Shit happens and people steal stuff, get over and move the fuck on.
@djvlive
Jim doesn't know the meaning of the word 'overboard'.
It's not like he's a pirate or anything.
Jim doesn't know the meaning of the word 'overboard'.
It's not like he's a pirate or anything.
@mix
"This isn't Sony's fault at al. If someone breaks into your dads house and steals your car keys, is it your dads fault?"
Not the same thing. A more proper equivalent is having some sort of home security system that completely and utterly fails while someone breaks into your dad's house and steals your keys.
I'd be pretty fucking pissed off that the security system that had installed into my home and paid for did nothing and because of that some dude has my car keys.
In Sony's case, hackers exist, programmers do what they can to prevent hackers from breaking their shit. If you fail at protecting your shit from hackers, then it's the fault of both parties. No, the hacker shouldn't be trying to break your shit, but at the same time you need to be looking to constantly fix security holes as fast as you can so that when a vulnerability is found, you can cover your ass as quickly as you can.
It's been known for a while now that the PS3 has been hacked to hell and back. Sony didn't take proper precaution to prevent this from happening.
"This isn't Sony's fault at al. If someone breaks into your dads house and steals your car keys, is it your dads fault?"
Not the same thing. A more proper equivalent is having some sort of home security system that completely and utterly fails while someone breaks into your dad's house and steals your keys.
I'd be pretty fucking pissed off that the security system that had installed into my home and paid for did nothing and because of that some dude has my car keys.
In Sony's case, hackers exist, programmers do what they can to prevent hackers from breaking their shit. If you fail at protecting your shit from hackers, then it's the fault of both parties. No, the hacker shouldn't be trying to break your shit, but at the same time you need to be looking to constantly fix security holes as fast as you can so that when a vulnerability is found, you can cover your ass as quickly as you can.
It's been known for a while now that the PS3 has been hacked to hell and back. Sony didn't take proper precaution to prevent this from happening.
@ManWithNoName
"That aside, I agree that Sony was slow with the release of information and that she is partly responsible for any damage some people can have."
She? So Sony is a WOMAN now? I bet you think that explains a lot, EHHH?! :P
"That aside, I agree that Sony was slow with the release of information and that she is partly responsible for any damage some people can have."
She? So Sony is a WOMAN now? I bet you think that explains a lot, EHHH?! :P
@no name
Wow what a cutting edge journalist you would be. BREAKING NEWS-PS3 Hacked, it's probably the hacker's fault.
Wow what a cutting edge journalist you would be. BREAKING NEWS-PS3 Hacked, it's probably the hacker's fault.
AKA no-one told the marketing guys and they couldn't get a spin in a week so they just told the truth.
Or they built a retarded system that doesnt log target attacks and the CC info is stored on the same server as the main PSN. If it is the latter, they just took shortcuts on security to save money. Great work, Sony.
Or they built a retarded system that doesnt log target attacks and the CC info is stored on the same server as the main PSN. If it is the latter, they just took shortcuts on security to save money. Great work, Sony.
Jim Sterling is the man. Just because you're a butthurt Sony fanboy don't take it out on him. Haters gonna hate.
People are awfully opinionated about things they obviously don't know anything about. Also, it's highly unlikely that if they actually have any of your information they would be able to do anything about it in a weeks time. Not to mention they would have to shift through tens of millions of files. So yeah, you still have time to do whatever.
"This isn't Sony's fault at al. If someone breaks into your dads house and steals your car keys, is it your dads fault?"
No, but it WOULD be the fault of the guy who was trusted with your dad's house keys and forgot to lock the door when he left.
No, but it WOULD be the fault of the guy who was trusted with your dad's house keys and forgot to lock the door when he left.
Hey Jim, like you I am pissed that my personal information/credit card got stolen from heretic hackers through a shitty network, but i think at this point you are just throwing kerosen to the fire. Your complains about constant firmware are noted because of a lot of them took a long time to install plus the fact that it didn't seem to do anything, however perhaps without those firwares the hack could have been worse or even sooner (don't get me wrong, I hate waiting for the bars to load) Look at how long it took hackers to breach the system? This sort of shit happen on all plataforms (including Xbox Live) and you don't seem to press on anything but Sony's plataform ( with the exception of the call of duty phising scam) Why do you particularly HATE SONY THAT MUCH? They are just as despicable as Microsoft, Apple, Samsung and many others.
That's a boldfaced lie from Sony if I ever read one. They first claimed it was "maintenance" and now they claim that on Monday personal information may have been compromised due to intrusion? They tried to cover this up from day 1. If they knew it was intrusion at first then it's their duty to inform users right away, not blanket it hoping people won't notice. Does Sony think we're stupid? Apparently so.
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