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Sony wants to show you the money

1:10 PM on 06.16.2007   |   Gameboi

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There's a nifty little theory of economics called supply and demand, which basically states that only a limited amount of people are willing to purchase an item at a high price point. In order to spur further growth, the best option is to lower the price of an item. The laws of the universe will take care of the rest for you. Unfortunately, we still can't explain how the laws failed the GameCube, but that's a whole other story.

Up until this point, it was unclear if the masterminds at Sony were subscribers to such a radical theory. That is, until now. Speaking to the Financial Times, the CEO himself, Howard Stringer, made it known that he and Sony are well aware that the PlayStation 3 just might be priced out of the reach of the average person:

“Nintendo Wii has been a successful enterprise, and a very good business model, compared with ours . . . because it’s cheaper. That [price cuts] is what we are studying at the moment. That’s what we are trying to refine.”

With the cost of production going down over time (yet another neat-o law of economics), most analysts are fully expecting to see the cuts to appear by Christmas, the most competitive time of the year for hardware sales.

This is the news many have been waiting for, and certainly the news I've been looking forward to hearing. Sony has finally admitted that the "Blu-ray value" is all a matter of perception, and the average Joe on the street just wants an affordable console with a truckload of great games to play on it -- like the PlayStation 2 had. Who knows, even I might be inclined to pick up a PS3 now. Stranger things have happened. 

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nademagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 13:17
nademagnet
Price_cuts != better_games

I don't care how cheep it gets I'm not buying it until I see some better games on that system.
iliketuna's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 13:30
iliketuna
if its cheap enough, i'd buy it for tekken alone (like i did with the ps2)
Agent Nixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 13:45
Agent Nixon
The PS3's lack of games is like the lack of women in my life... FOR SHAME
The Tormented's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 13:46
The Tormented
I just hope that those "price cuts" would be relevant enough to make a difference.Any cut inferior to 100 dollars/euros will just be ridiculous.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:10
MaxVest
Sony knew supply and demand all along. It's just that Kutaragi tried to bluff the market because Sony preferred the machine it had committed to building not be sold at a massive loss.

That bluff (steak dinners!) didn't go over so well. But investors won't be happy if they perceive Sony is throwing good money after bad by slashing prices immediately. Hence, the anticipated one-year price cut to balance everyone's interests.
parrothead's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:16
parrothead
I heard they were going to drop the price to $399, I would def pick it up for that price.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:21
Darren Nakamura
What I want to know is, does Sony want to show us it's Pokemans?

I will actually probably buy a PS3 if the premium version drops a hundred bucks. $500 is low enough for me to buy one. I don't even require good games for it, I just want a Blu-Ray player.
zaqu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:39
zaqu
hardrive space shouldnt be quite the issue one thing i would like to see the cheap ps3 drop in price cus it would look like an awesome deal
snowdog's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:41
snowdog
Judging by the current sales figures in the States last month and Japan for last week it's going to take more than a price drop to pick things up:

JAPANESE HARDWARE SALES, WEEK ENDING JUNE 10

DS: 117,228
Wii: 64,529
PSP: 24,711
PS2: 11,097
PS3: 8,776
360: 2,533
GBA: 799
NGC: 167

AMERICAN HARDWARE SALES, MAY 2007

DS: 423,150
Wii: 338,278
PSP: 221,120
PS2: 187,765
360: 154,932
PS3: 81,604
GBA: 80,554
NGC: 10,728


Just over 1000 more PS3s sold in a month in the States than GBAs..? What the hell's that all about?!!? :Oo
scottoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:43
scottoid
man..even if it goes down by a hundred buck i still most likely wont buy if cuz A) basically all the great games on it will be on 360 (besides tekken i guess) and B)...well, if they drop it by $200, i am buying it anyways, good games or not.
Tron Knotts's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 14:59
Tron Knotts
I will not buy a PS3, of any game system for that matter, for more tha $299.

It's a matter of principal.
snowdog's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 15:06
snowdog
Forget the principals...I can't due to the lack of cash lol

I broke the bank to get a Wii for £180! :o/
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 15:29
bhive01
The biggest questions remaining are:

1) How Much?

2) When?

I just bought a 20GB PS3 off of ebay with a game for 380$. I can't get too pissed though. Those complaining about the lack of games for the PS3 should just stop. They're coming. And, yes, if you have a 360 then there is no reason to buy. If you don't like me then I want to show you the BLU-RAYS! Actually, I'd prefer to show you my Pokemans. Piplup FTW!
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 15:44
Rainbowblack
After shelling out 400+ on the 360 release. I told myself. that i would never pay more than that for a new console. and thats where i stand

500$ PS3? after tax and a game im still taking 600$ out of my pocket
Kalakaua's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 15:49
Kalakaua
That caption in the image, all I got's to say is, awesome!

Made me laugh.
vgfreak30's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 16:07
vgfreak30
it better drop at least $100
Matthew Mac's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 16:29
Matthew Mac
We've heard this all before, many times.

Until they actually anounce a price cut, and DO IT, I don't believe it. I uncerstand that if I get rid of cable TV I'll save money, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do it.
snowdog's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 16:34
snowdog
@bhive01:

PS3 games may be coming, but not quick enough. A publisher would be more interested in releasing titles for the Wii and 360 due to the large marketshare and cost of developing, testing and publishing titles for the PS3 both in terms of time as well as money.

The Wii in particular has a major advantage (ignoring the expected 14m user marketshare by the end of the year) in that it's the cheapest of the lot to develop and test and is also easier to develop for.

There's a handy piece of kit that Wii dev teams use to write the controller code for them - saves a hell of a lot of time! Dev kits and test kits are a great deal cheaper,plus there are shedloads of Gamecube programmers out there that know their stuff.

The PS3's advantages (technical superiority, Blu-Ray drive, unfamiliar hardware to developers) are most of the reasons behind it's disadvantages as a new console (higher purchase price, higher development and testing costs, higher game manufacture costs, increased difficulty to code for).

The Wii console is in a really strong position despite not having the bells and whistles of the other 2 consoles, particularly the PS3. For a publisher, given the marketshare and costs involved it's currently more profitable to release an average Wii game than it is to release a top notch PS3 game.

If the price at launch was cheaper then things wouldn't be looking so bad. Can't remember if it was March or April but according to NPD figures there were more GBAs sold in the States than PS3s for that month!

What you need to attract publishers is a large marketshare more than anything...and perhaps the price cut (when it does eventually happen) may be too late to stop turning the PS3 into another Mini-disc or Betamax. :Oo
k3mikal's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 17:39
k3mikal
about time
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 18:50
Gameboi
The PS3 is the first Sony console that I didn't buy at launch, and price had quite a bit to do with it. I suffered from sticker shock paying $400 for the Xbox 360 as it was, and there is no way I could justify $600 on a PS3.

Until a serious price cut, or one of those value priced bundles you see at Sam's Club -- Sony will have to deliver a free PS3 to my doorstep if they hope on seeing me play one any time soon. I'm not rich.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 18:59
Aaron Mxy Yost
NO SHIT STRINGER.

$300 is the maximum anyone should have to pay for a game console. Prices are seriously getting ridiculous, and $600 is down right insulting.
some_dude's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 19:54
some_dude
I see how Sony could afford anything more than a $100 drop right now. That would still leave the price $100 above the 360, so I don't see how it could make much of a difference. It might get a few fence-sitters to take the plunge, but I doubt we would see a big difference in the numbers.
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 20:45
bhive01
I'm pretty sure any sort of price drop on the PS3 would initiate a price drop on the 360 and it would get them pretty much no where when comparisons are made. Honestly, if I were Sony, I'd keep the price where it is for as long as I can and just get in the back room and make some games. The sales will pick up, the games will come. Same with the Wii.

The PS3 is built for the long haul. All 3 companies have made mistakes with their new hardware. 360s scare me with the red ring of death, PS3s are expensive, and Wiis are underpowered and have a poorly utilized control mechanism. Eventually all of these will be addressed. MS is getting new cooler running chips, PS3 pricess will come down and games will be made, Nintendo and 3rd party developers will find good ways to use the wiimote and max out the hardware.

I agree that the PS3 is too expensive, hence I bought mine used and with a game for what I think was a good price (~340$ for the PS3). I don't have all day to play games all the time so a game for every few months is plenty. Personally, I don't see the drought of games everyone complains about.

To each his own though.

lowercaseluke's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 21:44
lowercaseluke
PS3 dus not have teh wii tenniz.

Also, "the most competitive time of the year for hardware sales..." is christmas. So drop your prices, release some games, or wait until NEXT YEAR to sell some units.
Burnt Meatloaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 22:00
Burnt Meatloaf
Get the message, Sony. Gamers want games, not generic do-all home entertainment systems.

So, bring back the damn 20GB model and put the card reader in it!

Cripes.
uptonogood's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2007 03:39
uptonogood
the whole lack of games argument against sony is bullocks. of course it has a small library -- the damn thing just came out. it's the same way for every system. the wii is easy as hell to develop for -- it's for family audiences. the ps3 is built for the tech geeks in mind. would you rather have a large library of mediocre games now or a large library of well developed games later? the ps3 isn't the easiest to program for but the developers know this and are taking their time working out the kinks. shouldn't that be praised -- for not rushing their products for the sake of a launch date? people bitch and moan about rushed products all the freaking time. let's see the defensive responses.
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2007 11:36
Joe Burling
I won't buy a PS3 until it is cheaper and has the good games (which we all know are coming... SGD). I could seriously care less about Blu-Ray. I'm perfectly content downloading HD movies from the marketplace and upscaling DVDs. Now, if Blu-Ray was already the winner, it might be a different story, but it's not. And if any of you try to argue that Blu-Ray will win, I have a fucking huge pile of facts to throw in your face. Please save both of us the time.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2007 11:53
Gameboi
@BuckF1tches

Just for kicks, I'd love to see those facts. Can you send them my way?
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2007 12:34
Joe Burling
Gameboi, yes you can. I gotta go dig them all back up so I can give you real links.
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2007 13:16
Joe Burling
Gameboi, check your gmail...
MassiveDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2007 20:29
MassiveDuck
Why isn't this tagged Captain Obvious? Sony is planing on dropping the price sometime in the future, wow shocking! Every other system stays at the same price forever right?
TheStripe's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 08:54
TheStripe
@Uptonogood - Oh, where to begin.

"he whole lack of games argument against sony is bullocks. of course it has a small library -- the damn thing just came out."

There were more, better games for the 360 at the same point in it's life, and it's exclusives weren't pouring over to other systems (if only because there were none). This may just be an advantage of being first in the water, like the PS2 was. The PS2 was easily the most underpowered of the last generation, yet it was able to amass an unprecedented library of games. Seems to me to be a merit of being the first to the market and the easiest to develop for.

"it's the same way for every system. the wii is easy as hell to develop for -- it's for family audiences."

What does target audience have to do with ease of development?

"the ps3 is built for the tech geeks in mind. would you rather have a large library of mediocre games now or a large library of well developed games later?"

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. If they were, you'd be fucked, because there isn't even a large library of mediocre games, there's a tiny library of mediocre games, and a bunch of well-developed games coming out on the 360 as well. You all should be asking Sony and 3rd parties to release as many PS3 games as possible, even if they're less than phenomenal. Utilization is the only way the hardware is going to start stretching it's wings, because developers learn from each other. The more opportunities for that
to take place, the better.

"the ps3 isn't the easiest to program for but the developers know this and are taking their time working out the kinks. shouldn't that be praised -- for not rushing their products for the sake of a launch date? people bitch and moan about rushed products all the freaking time. let's see the defensive responses."

This is true, to a point. When those games are being held back so long that the developer is spending many many more dollars than they're budgeted, the game comes out for $70, or they sit on it until there are enough PS3's in the wild, ready to buy their game. Neither of which is a win for the gaming community. I fail to understand how so many of you can defend a company that is clearly struggling so hard to keep their system from failing that they're fucking each and every one of you by not keeping the focus on making games. Sony should have taken all the money they spent Blu-Ray campaigning and actually developed games instead. The cry isn't "there are no good games now", it's "There's no good games." Sure Lair is coming out, and that game could be a system seller, but what other compelling reason is there to purchase a PS3, except to feel good about yourself for having a state of the art movie player?
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