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This makes me laugh since it feels like the vita is getting more straight ports than the psp ever did. And the psp got more exclusives than almost any system this gen. And 7 years later still gets them. If you look at it, the psp is getting more exclusives than vita on a monthly basis
The psp has a library of over 1000+ games. It had no issue in that department.
I get hyping up vita. But why tear down the psp?
The psp has a library of over 1000+ games. It had no issue in that department.
I get hyping up vita. But why tear down the psp?
So thier solution to too many console ports and console like games is go push for more console-like games.
How about this?
Make games for Vita and otherwise let third parties do ports if they want. The problem isn't ports, the problem lies in making Vita fill a role PS3 already does.
How about this?
Make games for Vita and otherwise let third parties do ports if they want. The problem isn't ports, the problem lies in making Vita fill a role PS3 already does.
Kind of tired of seeing and hearing about the lack of games on Vita. I'll admit, I feel it needs more games,too. But for us gamers who were privileged enough to get one within the 1st year only have ourselves to blame for having to be the 1st on the block to have one.
Game development takes time and the more complex games become, the more time it's going to take for those games to hit consumers. Like a man, I blame my Myself for picking one up so early instead of blaming the devs.
Lesson learned.
Game development takes time and the more complex games become, the more time it's going to take for those games to hit consumers. Like a man, I blame my Myself for picking one up so early instead of blaming the devs.
Lesson learned.
The Vita will be the same way if they're not careful, most games I've seen are straight console ports.
Maybe this was true in the west I suppose... y'know, before western support for the system just dried up into nothing. In Japan on the other hand...
Putting a million ports on the PSP is fine as long as there's another 4 million original games... that's even the optimal scenario for me, we get new games and have our nostalgia satiated at the same time.
"The issue that happened with PSP is we got overrun with ports," he said. "It became very difficult for us to define what made PSP unique. The content development became a bit unstructured or decentralised, in that we got a lot of content that was on PlayStation 2 and got thrown over to the handheld."
2 things come to mind here:
First, we act like ports are a bad thing, when, honestly, if a port is good and plays well, and is of an awesome game, then who cares?
Second is that Sony never spent any time trying to find an identity for the PSP at all, in the first place. The thing just came out and was sort of there. Sure, people "got it" but it felt like it was just there because Sony wasn't filling a market, instead of them trying to TAKE a market. And how it ultimately proformed really is a result of that.
But its not BECAUSE of ports that this happened. Ports overrunning it is just a result of Sony's poor planning and support for the PSP (which sounds like I'm dogging the support, seeing as it had A LOT of games, but when we need to double back and point out that lots of those games are ports.. well.. you can see some holes in all that "support" right away). The thing needed games, and Sony got games too people. Just because they were games people probably already owned somehow, really, obviously, seems like a hindsight right now the way they're treating it.
2 things come to mind here:
First, we act like ports are a bad thing, when, honestly, if a port is good and plays well, and is of an awesome game, then who cares?
Second is that Sony never spent any time trying to find an identity for the PSP at all, in the first place. The thing just came out and was sort of there. Sure, people "got it" but it felt like it was just there because Sony wasn't filling a market, instead of them trying to TAKE a market. And how it ultimately proformed really is a result of that.
But its not BECAUSE of ports that this happened. Ports overrunning it is just a result of Sony's poor planning and support for the PSP (which sounds like I'm dogging the support, seeing as it had A LOT of games, but when we need to double back and point out that lots of those games are ports.. well.. you can see some holes in all that "support" right away). The thing needed games, and Sony got games too people. Just because they were games people probably already owned somehow, really, obviously, seems like a hindsight right now the way they're treating it.
I bought a PSP solely because it had a number of quality exclusives. I hated the form factor.
Then Peace Walker showed up on PS3 and Half-Minute Hero went to 360 and PC, so the number of "exclusives" on the system is dwindling. Yeah, it was a piece of shit system. Fuck the Vita, too.
Then Peace Walker showed up on PS3 and Half-Minute Hero went to 360 and PC, so the number of "exclusives" on the system is dwindling. Yeah, it was a piece of shit system. Fuck the Vita, too.
The psp is 7 years old and its getting a new digimon adventure game, a new summon night, a new god eater, a new miku, a new Rexx, and alot of other exclusives
I cant think of a vita game thats exclusive even coming out let alone one I want.
Maybe the assasins creed, thats it
I cant think of a vita game thats exclusive even coming out let alone one I want.
Maybe the assasins creed, thats it
There's a fine line between port and iteration, the Vita is walking it. Games like Uncharted, Katamari, Asphalt, Shinobido, Lumines etc aren't technically ports, just new iterations with similar gameplay/graphics to previous installments, some lazier than others.
I have no problem with that, really, if the gameplay is solid and it contains content I haven't seen in a previous version. The PSP had the misfortune of generally terrible marketing, not to mention the hardware itself never really felt solid technically or physically. Everything on the PSP felt overly clunky or fragile, or just took forever to load or install. The Vita addressed most of those problems, but still has almost no noticeable marketing support.
I have no problem with that, really, if the gameplay is solid and it contains content I haven't seen in a previous version. The PSP had the misfortune of generally terrible marketing, not to mention the hardware itself never really felt solid technically or physically. Everything on the PSP felt overly clunky or fragile, or just took forever to load or install. The Vita addressed most of those problems, but still has almost no noticeable marketing support.
I'm not sure it was the number of ports that caused an issue itself, but more that there were a number of games that just didn't need to be on the PSP. Despite there being a ton of niche games on the system, many of the bigger games could easily have been PS2 games (and many ended up being just that).
The portability of a full console like experience is just a novelty in many cases. Why should people pay simply for the portability of a game that can be done exactly the same on a console they already own? They can stamp out the ports, but it won't address the cause of the issue at all.
The portability of a full console like experience is just a novelty in many cases. Why should people pay simply for the portability of a game that can be done exactly the same on a console they already own? They can stamp out the ports, but it won't address the cause of the issue at all.
Interesting choice for the picture, as PSP Ridge Racers is a game that went the other way - it was a brand new console-quality Ridge Racer game that was later ported/updated for 360 and PS3.
Seems like revisionist history that really doesn't fairly describe the truth of the PSP either - yes, your EAs and Ubisofts made some lame attempts to cash in, but that's more a symptom of them not wanting to invest real resources (i.e. it's not like they were going to pay to develop a big time unique PSP IP anyway, the choice was a port or nothing). Plenty of other publishers, particularly the Japanese ones, made lots of unique PSP games. And hey, sometimes the PORTS were good too - the Monster Hunter games were ports and basically single-handedly turned the PSP into a dominant force in Japan.
Anyway, this is especially disheartening to hear since some of the Vita's excellent titles are ports and IT'S NOT AN EITHER/OR PROPOSITION. I'm all for "console quality" games like Gravity Rush and Soul Sacrifice, but I don't want to give up the stellar portable versions of "mere ports" like UMvC3, Disgaea 3, BlazBlue, and Persona 4: The Golden.
Seems like revisionist history that really doesn't fairly describe the truth of the PSP either - yes, your EAs and Ubisofts made some lame attempts to cash in, but that's more a symptom of them not wanting to invest real resources (i.e. it's not like they were going to pay to develop a big time unique PSP IP anyway, the choice was a port or nothing). Plenty of other publishers, particularly the Japanese ones, made lots of unique PSP games. And hey, sometimes the PORTS were good too - the Monster Hunter games were ports and basically single-handedly turned the PSP into a dominant force in Japan.
Anyway, this is especially disheartening to hear since some of the Vita's excellent titles are ports and IT'S NOT AN EITHER/OR PROPOSITION. I'm all for "console quality" games like Gravity Rush and Soul Sacrifice, but I don't want to give up the stellar portable versions of "mere ports" like UMvC3, Disgaea 3, BlazBlue, and Persona 4: The Golden.
I actually gotta agree with stealth on this one. The vast amount of original tittles on the psp far outweighs the several ports of Burnout games.
Out of all the systems this gen, PSP is the true successor to the PS2. 360 was making great strides to take its throne up until microsoft stopped caring about games and went full blown Skynet: Living Room Edition on us.
Out of all the systems this gen, PSP is the true successor to the PS2. 360 was making great strides to take its throne up until microsoft stopped caring about games and went full blown Skynet: Living Room Edition on us.
@brown
the psp had more third party support both port and exclusive than the ps3 did. Id argue even sony support
the psp had more third party support both port and exclusive than the ps3 did. Id argue even sony support
I think the Vita needs MORE ports. If it has a PS3 version, I want a Vita version.
It just shouldn't stop there, we need a steady stream of both exclusives AND multiplatform titles. You know, just like the 360 and PS3 need to stay viable.
Less ports just means less games. I want more content on my Vita. More exclusives, more ports, more minis, more ps mobile, etc. Less software doesn't make your platform more attractive.
It just shouldn't stop there, we need a steady stream of both exclusives AND multiplatform titles. You know, just like the 360 and PS3 need to stay viable.
Less ports just means less games. I want more content on my Vita. More exclusives, more ports, more minis, more ps mobile, etc. Less software doesn't make your platform more attractive.
From the creators of "Square-Enix: awesome cutscenes deserve and equally awesome game" and "Kojima: Videogames shoulnd't try to tell a story" comes "Sony: Vita needs something that is unique, and defines the Vita experience", meanwhile Vita it already has an Uncharted, a Resistance and there's a Call of Duty and Assassins Creed coming, the industry is at least consistent with their ways.
@edgy
the problem is companies like square and konami who supported the psp with over 10 exclusives wont give the vita the time of day with original content
the problem is companies like square and konami who supported the psp with over 10 exclusives wont give the vita the time of day with original content
Patapon, Loco Roco, Peace Walker, Yakuza PSP, Valkyria Chronicles 2, Gods Eater Burst, Daxter, Prinny, Persuit Force, 3rd Birthday, Monster Hunter
There's a ton of great exclusive stuff on PSP. I like what they're doing with All Stars Battle Royal and including some of the PSP/Vita exclusive characters even if they are just background characters, except Kat from Gravity Rush. Marketing is all these products need and games obviously.
There's a ton of great exclusive stuff on PSP. I like what they're doing with All Stars Battle Royal and including some of the PSP/Vita exclusive characters even if they are just background characters, except Kat from Gravity Rush. Marketing is all these products need and games obviously.
Handhelds have always been home to ports and spinnoffs, the issue with the psp was that it really didn't offer that much more well except for japanese developers. Most of which never saw the light of day in Europe.
I would be happy with ports. I'm excited about the new need for speed and if they would of put tony hawk hd and ratchet collection on the vita, those would probably be the only games I played.
The games I'm really looking forward to are ports (jet set radio, ratchet full frontal, sly 4, etc) and I wish they would of put doom bfg on it.
The games I'm really looking forward to are ports (jet set radio, ratchet full frontal, sly 4, etc) and I wish they would of put doom bfg on it.
I read 30 reviews online, including the one from rpgfan, so I'm an authority on the quality of all ports, shovelware, exclusives, and handhelds.
It was "overrun with ports" and yet they still felt like blocking Breath of Fire III's re-release in North American, even though Europe and Japan got the PSP port of it. And then we see every other game ported to it. How the fuck is that fair?
"Most Vita games I've seen are straight console ports"
Okay, we got Rayman Origins, UMvC3, what else? Can't count Persona 4 Golden, as that has extra content and therefore is not a "straight port". I'm pretty sure the BlazBlu game was not a port but had its own unique story; is that true?
So other than those 2 games, what else? And no, you cannot count games that buying the PS3 version will get you the Vita version for free, or vice-versa.
Oh, there is SFxTekken, so that's three. Oh! And Disgaea 3, so that's four. Are there any others I am missing?
Okay, we got Rayman Origins, UMvC3, what else? Can't count Persona 4 Golden, as that has extra content and therefore is not a "straight port". I'm pretty sure the BlazBlu game was not a port but had its own unique story; is that true?
So other than those 2 games, what else? And no, you cannot count games that buying the PS3 version will get you the Vita version for free, or vice-versa.
Oh, there is SFxTekken, so that's three. Oh! And Disgaea 3, so that's four. Are there any others I am missing?
@caramelzappa: You realize none of the games i listed are "unique" right? also, they'd define a PS3 alright, but a Vita? ehhhhhhhhh...
So Dark Souls on PC is bad now? GTA III on iPad (with a controller) is bad too? No. That's fucking stupid. Ports are fine if the platform changes. The idea that I can get a portable version of my favorite console games (albeit with some tweaks that cater to the handheld experience) on Vita is fucking awesome. There's a reason I haven't bought Rayman Origins yet: I'm waiting until I buy a Vita to play it.
@ctg
its apple and oranges, the pc does get exclusives
the gtya III ipad port was broken and unplayable. That did nobody favors.
its apple and oranges, the pc does get exclusives
the gtya III ipad port was broken and unplayable. That did nobody favors.
And I thank them for it.
Psp sold extremely well in comparison to all other nintendo handhelds. They should look at everything psp did as a success
And compare it with vita to learn why its failing. They went the opposite direction from psp, removing everything that made it great. Umd, tv out, the ability to use ps3 controllers, a non-proprietary memory card, standard usb port.
Sony needs to buy a clue, and I'm selling.
Also, most of my 3ds games are also ports.
Psp sold extremely well in comparison to all other nintendo handhelds. They should look at everything psp did as a success
And compare it with vita to learn why its failing. They went the opposite direction from psp, removing everything that made it great. Umd, tv out, the ability to use ps3 controllers, a non-proprietary memory card, standard usb port.
Sony needs to buy a clue, and I'm selling.
Also, most of my 3ds games are also ports.
@tahiri
and the biggest thing they didnt copy from the psp was exclusives
the psp basically had 3 gta's FIRST or second on the system.
Will the vita get a gta? let alone anything from rockstar? thats sort of the issue
and the biggest thing they didnt copy from the psp was exclusives
the psp basically had 3 gta's FIRST or second on the system.
Will the vita get a gta? let alone anything from rockstar? thats sort of the issue
Let me ask you something stealth, are you defending the PSP?It has exclusives and some of them I would get.Vitanic [Temporary name intill it gets 3rd party support] is also getting ports and exclusives SEGA is supporting the portable.Hopefully it gets more support so competition can start again so it gets content!
Of course I am defending the psp. It sold 80+ million, gets exclusives 7+ years later. There is nothing un defendable
Lets compare segas psp and vita support
the psp got 2 vakyrias, 2 shining games, 3 miku's , 1 crazy taxi, 1 sakura taisen and more
the vita got 1 miku.........
Lets compare segas psp and vita support
the psp got 2 vakyrias, 2 shining games, 3 miku's , 1 crazy taxi, 1 sakura taisen and more
the vita got 1 miku.........
It wasn't the amount of ports the PSP had; It was the stereotype that the PSP had nothing but ports. Besides, ports aren't necessarily bad, even ports of old games can be a brand new experience for someone who has never played the original.
^ it certainly was a stereotype
at launch the psp had an original metal gear, original ape escape, original twisted metal, original darkstalkers, ect
at launch the psp had an original metal gear, original ape escape, original twisted metal, original darkstalkers, ect
Im gonna tell you stealth SEGA can possibly save the vitanic. They have PSO2 coming to it.When the Vita&mc price gets a cut that would be the time to launch games, intill then L0L @$ony being a micro$cam Lower the damn frigging price and make it more of a portable console then an not-all-digital ipod with buttons
@Stealth
Never seen someone defend the PSP so passionately before.
It definitely had its fair share of exclusives, but a lot of them seemed to be JRPG's or catering to a very specific type of gamer. Personally I only found a few games on it that were worth my time. I pretty much bought one to play the GoW games and sold it later that week.
I already have more Vita games than I enjoyed on the PSP. But I crave more. Hopefully Gravity Rush will get a sequel. It doesn't seem like it's that popular/talked about (And also barely advertised, wtf sony?) But I loved it. So much fun.
Never seen someone defend the PSP so passionately before.
It definitely had its fair share of exclusives, but a lot of them seemed to be JRPG's or catering to a very specific type of gamer. Personally I only found a few games on it that were worth my time. I pretty much bought one to play the GoW games and sold it later that week.
I already have more Vita games than I enjoyed on the PSP. But I crave more. Hopefully Gravity Rush will get a sequel. It doesn't seem like it's that popular/talked about (And also barely advertised, wtf sony?) But I loved it. So much fun.
@Everyone replying to Stealth: Please don't bother paying attention to someone who's trying to grasp straws. When he's calling an arcade compilation of a fighting game series an "original launch title", and listing off a bunch of Japanese import games very, very few people care about as exclusives it's obvious he wants to prove himself too much.
I like my PSP. Most of what I owned and downloaded is rooted in a previous game. Most people have a similar experience minus certain exceptions. Please just let it go.
I like my PSP. Most of what I owned and downloaded is rooted in a previous game. Most people have a similar experience minus certain exceptions. Please just let it go.
But they specifically made the Vita as a portable machine that offers a home console experience. That is effectively the same as specifically asking for ports. You know - like most games available on PS3 are also on 360. Except for exclusives. Which is not an actual barrier between PS3 and Vita.
@moran
Grasping at straws? Everything Ive said is fact. Just because they arent games from a region you belong in, doesnt mean the games dont exists. Its childish dude
@maniax
Vitanic? thats a pretty good way to describe the situation. Its going to take more than 1 dev to savee it. Its going to take no less than 10 devs making exclusives for an extended period of time
@caramelzappa
Because I am sick of the shit it gets. What gengre doesnt cater to specific type of gamer? that doesnt make sense
Within the first year of the psps life it had exclusive metal gear, exclusive ff, exclusive gta, ect
will the vita get that? doesnt look like it
I assume I am not alone but I havent touched my vita since right after launch. Its been that long
Grasping at straws? Everything Ive said is fact. Just because they arent games from a region you belong in, doesnt mean the games dont exists. Its childish dude
@maniax
Vitanic? thats a pretty good way to describe the situation. Its going to take more than 1 dev to savee it. Its going to take no less than 10 devs making exclusives for an extended period of time
@caramelzappa
Because I am sick of the shit it gets. What gengre doesnt cater to specific type of gamer? that doesnt make sense
Within the first year of the psps life it had exclusive metal gear, exclusive ff, exclusive gta, ect
will the vita get that? doesnt look like it
I assume I am not alone but I havent touched my vita since right after launch. Its been that long
i was thinking the same as stealth says but we dont need to forget that the vita is not even out for a year and a good game costs like 2-3 years to make soo it will get more and more games in time. and my biggest problem with the vita is that there isnt really an online part on the games if motorstorm rc had a multiplayer where u could make a party and stuff and set ur own rules and stuff that would be super awesome with chatroom in lobby and stuff i would play that game for a loooong time really hope they will do that in motorstorm RC 2
he's mak'n sence the about 90% internet makes no sense there is atleast 1 guy who makes sense on every site.Alot of the PSP exclusives I wanted like dat damn 4th player DragonballZ and SonicRivals but I don't have one and it's pointless to get one now.Conclusion: The PSP was overshadowed by ports but it was a success now you fanboys don't have to oppose stealth I rather a 3 Dual-Screens than a vita and a wii over a ps3(got both) but im not b*tching..... :{D mustache
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