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Sony to lock out other operating systems in firmware photo

One of the more interesting choices Sony made available for PS3 owners, the ability to install an operating system other than the console standard, looks like it's about to go out the window. While PS3 Slim users have never had the opportunity to install a different OS, even older systems will have the capability disabled, according to the Official PlayStation Blog. Security concerns have been cited as the reason.

The change goes down with firmware update 3.21, slated to hit PlayStation Network on April 1st at midnight (JST). The update is optional, of course, and people who choose to no longer be able to connect to PSN, watch DRM-protected videos purchased from the PlayStation Store or play future games which would require the update can go ahead and skip it.

A bummer for some, I'm sure. While it was unlikely that I would have ever done such a thing, the idea that it was even possible was pleasing and I am a little sad to hear it's going away.

PS3 Firmware (v3.21) Update [PlayStation Blog]








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Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:03
Hasney
Is there actual a technical reason to get rid of it that anyone know? Just seems like a bit of a dick move.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:05
StingingVelvet
Companies loooooooove closed systems they control.
Netnavi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:07
Netnavi
So does the firmware come on the discs like the UMDs? Just wondering what non-online people do.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:08
king kong five
Usually when Sony/Microsoft pull off dickatry like this, I can at least see what they're getting from it. But this just doesn't make any sense. What exactly do these "security concerns" consist of?
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:12
Brian Slaughter
@king kong five

Piracy. It's something the PS3 has pretty much avoided entirely thus far, but apparently there was a possibility of it through that OS loophole. And honestly, who gives a fuck? How many people here that are calling it a dick move actually had Linux on their fat PS3s? Anyone at all? Of course you didn't, because there's no point.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:15
king kong five
@PatriotSnake

Is that what this is about? Seems to me like they're making a mistake. PS3 hacking isn't nearly as widespread as PSP hacking. In fact, PSP hacking wasn't really all that widespread either until Sony started directly addressing the hacks in their updates and it was perceived as a challenge that hackers were more than happy to step up to (and so far, they've been painfully successful at it). I don't think the PSP's hacking issues would be where they are today if Sony hadn't engaged with the hacking community like it did. They were just kinda asking for it.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:17
king kong five
@Brian Slaughter
No, I agree that for the hugely overly vast majority of PS3 owners, this actually really doesn't matter at all. I just didn't know what Sony stood to gain from it. Now I guess I do, though it looks to me like a bad idea.
Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:17
Hasney
@Brian Slaughter

I did.

<3 playing MAME on my big TV.
ZeeJayTL's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:18
ZeeJayTL
*shrug* doesnt bother me. I was thinking of toying with OS on the system, but now that I wont it wont really kill me. It'll just give me one less thing to toy around with i guess.. *shrug*
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:20
king kong five
@Patriot Snake
I agree, I think it's obvious that that's what they're trying to do. I just don't think the people at Sony realize that PS3 hackers see things like this as a challenge, not a barrier.
RoboLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:27
RoboLeader
This is more harmful to researchers and the military than anything. A lot of large groups use the PS3 for cheap supercomputing.
Paroxysm's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:29
Paroxysm
Hey Sony. Fuck you.
TheStripe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:36
TheStripe
@robo - they can avoid the update. They're writing their own code anyway. Why would they need Sony's OS and firmware ups?
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:36
Dv8thwonder
Sony thinking this will deter piracy have only given the ones interested more motivation to do so. I say power to the people.
bodybreak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:40
bodybreak
@roboleader,
i'm sure any group that uses the PS3 for those purposes could just neglect to upgrade their firmware... i mean, it's not like they're going to care about not being able to play Killzone 3 when it comes out.

i could really care less. but i can see how some people might be upset, especially since it's one of the unique features of the PS3.
matrixdude171's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:41
matrixdude171
To be expected, I guess there must've been some sort of hack discovered in the old firmware that went through the linux software to get in. Owell, it's not like we bought a ps3 for installing another OS. LOL, XBL accounts are hackable now!
Antony_256's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:49
Antony_256
Removing functionality now instead of just usability for the sake of piracy?
This is getting ridiculous.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:55
hpv
It's a shame. I was kind of looking forward to putting Linux on mine whenever I retire it. Hopefully by then someone will have an easy solution to downgrading the firmware or installing Linux by another method.
TheGlue29's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:00
TheGlue29
Uhhhh...why does this matter again?? Nevermind, I don't want to hear the story of how 67 people out of Sony's 30 million + userbase need Linux in order to survive with a PS3. Gonna go ahead and file this under "Not An Issue."
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:04
Chris Carter
@Glue29
It's not really so much a "wah wah" story as it is a cautionary slippery slope.

The PS3 is effectively the most useful console on the market: you can pretty much do anything you want with it, and if Sony is going to start taking away firmware options, it makes you wonder what they will remove (and charge for, subsequently) in the future.
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:06
koehler83
Frankly the trust of third party developers is more important to me and especially to Sony than anything OtherOS users do or think.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:19
Dv8thwonder
@Patriot Snake

Are you actually admitting a fault in your "great" leader Sony?
ninjikiran's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:31
ninjikiran
They basically sent a message to pirates

Sony: If you want to play pirated games don't upgrade your firmware yet. Wait for the obvious hacks!

Thing is even if you wanted to pirate a PS3 game they are huge.
Jexral's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:41
Jexral
That's upsetting. No, I don't have Linux installed, but this raises the question: how long until they take away something I do use? I thought that was an awesome feature, and one reason I bought a fat instead of a slim.

I wasn't even aware it wad hacked until now. Maybe ill jump on thy bandwagon when it gets more useful. Not for piracy, of course. <shrug>
Shadowcast's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:41
Shadowcast
@Netnavi: People without their PS3 online go here: http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm on a PC. Also, yes games ship with a copy of the minimum firmware required to play them on the disc too.
Jexral's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:42
Jexral
That's upsetting. No, I don't have Linux installed, but this raises the question: how long until they take away something I do use? I thought that was an awesome feature, and one reason I bought a fat instead of a slim.

I wasn't even aware it wad hacked until now. Maybe ill jump on thy bandwagon when it gets more useful. Not for piracy, of course. <shrug>
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:43
JustLikeBuck
Sad news, at one point SONY were even unlocking parts of the hypervisor so that we could have a stabler, faster linux experience.

That being said, I only installed it as a test, and whilst impressed, I still use my Laptop more. I wonder if the update will allow us to reclaim our 10gb partitions? Probably not.
Riegel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 04:05
Riegel88
*Sues them for taking away the reason I bought a PS3*
*wins copious amounts of money*
*evil laugh*
No, but seriously, I have Linux on mine but barely run it, now it sucks it won't even do anything and I'll have all that wasted hard drive space.
And all because one dude wanted extra crap in Linux, can't he just be happy with his laptop?
Koolayde's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 04:41
Koolayde
Incoming Wall-O-Text, TLDR version below.

Geoffrey Levand from Sony previously said this:

Please be assured that SCE is committed to continue
the support for previously sold models that have the
"Install Other OS" feature and that this feature will
not be disabled in future firmware releases.

http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-dev/2010-February/007202.html

It goes to show how much you can trust the word of Sony.

I understand I'm in the minority when it comes to using OtherOS. It is definitely not useful for much at all. I do use it every now and then, however. Installing it in the first place and getting it to work in a semi-useful way was a bitch. Now I feel like I just got kicked in the nuts. Now I have to decided whether to install the new system update and lose OtherOS (and all that time spent in vain), or not upgrade and lose my ability to log into PlayStation Network. Lovely.

I suppose this is somewhat my fault, I could of have not installed it in the first place. After all, the PS3 is first and foremost a gaming system. However, they used to brag about how you could install Linux on it, and that how powerful it was (a lie). Removing a feature after you have bought and paid for the console is wrong, in my opinion. It should have never been introduced in the first place.

I imagine they are doing this to prevent more hacks/prevent piracy. I seriously doubt that this will prevent it altogether. It's not a matter of if, its a matter of when. This isn't going to stop the people who are trying to bust the PS3's innards open. They simply won't upgrade their console. Perhaps they will find something else to exploit, causing Sony to remove another feature? Today, its OtherOS. What if someone found an exploit with the way the PS3 plays movies? Would you let Sony remove the ability to play DVD's and Blue-Ray movies? After all, it's a game system -- how DARE you want to do anything else with it.

Yeah, I know, I'm in the minority. But, still, it should make people upset when someone removes features from something you have already purchased. I hope they don't remove more features from their console in the future for the sake of their protection.

TLDR version: It's a dick move to remove a feature, after saying you aren't going to remove it. Actually -- it is from anything you've already bought, period. I hope they won't start removing more features in the name of protecting their console, instead of patching the holes. This isn't going to affect a lot of people, but what about next time?
Derek Gillies's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 04:55
Derek Gillies
Purely an anti-piracy move, anything that's called a 'security' patch is to prevent people from getting homebrew access.
trsspidey's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 04:57
trsspidey
This kinda makes me realize the expense of having our consoles hooked up to the internet. Sony flips a switch, removes a feature our dollars purchased. They say when and where and we don't really have a choice in the matter.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 05:21
TheToiletDuck
I'm not really sure this is going to deter most pirates at all. However, i guess it does put a deterrent on it becoming mainstream like the PSP. So fair enough, Sony.

Everyone who has the smarts to patch firmware knows the first golden rule "never update". Patches and the such that enable homebrew or piracy will be developed for the older firmware first and subsequently squashed in the updates. Just turn off your auto-update and you're fine.

Also, @Hasney, MAME on my ps3 via linux? Why the hell haven't i already thought of doing this? Brilliant! :)
's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 05:50
Diyana
Thanks a bunch geohot...ya dick.
agentarsenic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 05:51
agentarsenic
I guarantee it's because GeoHot cracked the system.
CrudeDarkness's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 05:51
CrudeDarkness
"slated to hit PlayStation Network on April 1st at midnight "

April fools?
Netnavi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 05:54
Netnavi
I just realized, Isn't this "bait and switch"?
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:05
superjay779
Ps3 "It doesn't do everything"
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:35
superjay779
@Brlito Im tired of RROD jokes but you don't here me crying about it. I have to say that other than GOW3 this year the PS3 has been a big dissapointment for me. The only thing they seem to be good at is talking crap.
DanoftheDawn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:39
DanoftheDawn
Not familiar with PS3 firmware update protocol, since I don't have a PS3, but none of the other updates on the blog say anything about time zones regarding updates. April 1st, JST?! Nothing suss about that, surely.
Cynical Gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:47
Cynical Gamer
First they take away BC and now this. Sony really knows how to shoot themselves in the foot.
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:52
superjay779
@Cynical. It's true. What are they going to take next DVD compatiblity.
JiR INC's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:56
JiR INC
Well if the PSP CFW scene has been going strong for 5 years and with new faces joining all the time what's to stop them from trying the ps3 or should I say why an update should, besides alot of "hacks/homebrew" on the PSP was integrated with the later models PSP FW I don't see what the big deal is. In my opinion I don't expect alot of people to be able to play around with OtherOS it seems complex obviosuly not to everyone.

If you make rules, people will break them
xEx Darkseid's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:05
xEx Darkseid
IT DOES EVERYTHING...we'll, it did.
Damie904's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:40
Damie904
People were able to hack into the ps3 and it something to do with the Linux OS that was installed. Plus piracy. I mean if you people wanna keep it fine. Just don't complain when you get banned off psn for game sharing and sending spam messages and dirty sex links! O_O
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:45
Airbr1dge
Sad penguin is sad.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:58
amtalx
It hits APRIL 1ST guys...relax. Early April Fool's jokes are poor form though.
WhiteZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 08:09
WhiteZombie
to everyone saying "who uses this anyway" - I DO - this pisses me of beyond belief if this is true. Digital distribution makes it so we don't even own the games we buy, and now we don't even own the systems we've purchased?

It'd be like you bought a new sportscar with a 350hp engine. 4 years later, the car company decides the car is too fast and dangerous and implements an "update" to it so that it can now only use 200hp. Of course its optional, but it is if you'd like your car to start the next morning.
zod000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 08:16
zod000
This is BULLSHIT! This was one of my favorite features and was big reason why I bought a launch ps3
DaShiz 21's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 08:18
DaShiz 21
Shame Sony, shame. My PS3 is now a very large paperweight. God of War 3 was worthy of a playthrough. Heavy Rain was a dissapointment and UC2 just is not my type of game. Playing around with the system is really all there is left for me. Guess I will return it to Gamestop saying it didnt work and get a brand new sealed one. Then SELL SELL SELL!
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