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"I don't recommend we swallow Sony's shit until they produce some real figures as opposed to conjecture and spin."
Why would you ever recommend swallowing shit? Eww...
Why would you ever recommend swallowing shit? Eww...
Spin.
Reminds of a funny sitcom with Michael J. Fox. Spin City. Damn, I love that show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oPLbsDAOuE
Oh, and Sony should speak the truth. It's not a failure, we know that much. Just be straight with us.
Reminds of a funny sitcom with Michael J. Fox. Spin City. Damn, I love that show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oPLbsDAOuE
Oh, and Sony should speak the truth. It's not a failure, we know that much. Just be straight with us.
I am also curious how they count their "move" purchases. I mean there are so many different accessories to it that it is a feasible number. A lot harder to count that Kinect units, which they are clearly trying to compete with.
Bring on the software and people will buy the thing. I know people orgasm over oh this sold more than that, but to me I do not really care. If the product works, and has the software to support it I will buy. (move aint so great on the software side but I am really looking forward to No More Heroes)
I am also hoping for a port of epic mickey because damn that game is one of the best wii titles and i love love to see it with hd graphics, anyone else agree?
I am also hoping for a port of epic mickey because damn that game is one of the best wii titles and i love love to see it with hd graphics, anyone else agree?
If Sony had sold more than Microsoft, we would all know.
If Sony didn't sell that much, they would give us this nonsense (which they are).
If Sony didn't sell that much, they would give us this nonsense (which they are).
As I commented previously, if Move had actually sold equal to or better than Kinect then Sony would happily say so right away. The fact they're specifiying shipped units and not sold units is as good as confirmation that they have sold fewer units than Microsoft.
I actually don't give a damn about either system (they're both shite as far as I'm concerned), but this terribly transparent attempt at keeping up with the Joneses is too entertaining to ignore.
I actually don't give a damn about either system (they're both shite as far as I'm concerned), but this terribly transparent attempt at keeping up with the Joneses is too entertaining to ignore.
If my local Best Buy is any indication, anyone who wants a Move for Christmas won't have trouble finding one
They went out of their way to say it was units sold, as if no intrepid reporter would catch their chicanery! And I seem to remember the same story last month about 4 million shipped.
"Move has now been out for 11 weeks in total and VGChartz estimates show that the total number of Move controllers sold-through is now just over 2.5 million units worldwide, with nearly 250,000 sold last week alone with holiday sales starting to pick up. Compared to the 4.1 million units shipped, this would suggest around 1.6 million units in the retail channel but not yet sold though, an estimate that Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter agrees with."
So no, not sold out everywhere, but that's because they've shipped more, like they said here. They can only ship product when stores order them.
So no, not sold out everywhere, but that's because they've shipped more, like they said here. They can only ship product when stores order them.
"It doesn't if you refuse to let the English language evolve."
It's not about hindering the language, it's about people misappropriating words and terms. Similarly, the phrase is 'couldn't give a shit,' and it's 'specifically' not 'pacifically.'
It's not about hindering the language, it's about people misappropriating words and terms. Similarly, the phrase is 'couldn't give a shit,' and it's 'specifically' not 'pacifically.'
A more telling number would be for Move enabled PS3's. At least from a developers perspective.
I'm sure many who bought the Move purchased multiple wands.
I'm sure many who bought the Move purchased multiple wands.
We should all just be grateful that it sells lol because i dont think i am the only one who wants more software for the move. EPIC MICKEY PLEASE! hehe :P
In our town the stores are always sold out when I try to get my hands on a 2nd Move controller. So, at least in in the town I live in retailers seems to be short.
Personally, I'm waiting to hear whether or not SOCOM 4 is better to play with Move or a traditional controller. If the majority of reviewers agree Move is an improvement, I'll grab myself some Move wands and move INTO THE FUTURE!!! Otherwise, Sony will need to wait to show me something worth justifying the purchase is even remotely coming down the line.
MS, however, has piqued my (and more importantly, my girlfriend's) interest with Dance Central and has at least shown there are some interesting games planned for it including Project Draco, Steel Battalion, and Child of Eden (I know it's cross platform but it looks cooler to me on Kinect).
MS, however, has piqued my (and more importantly, my girlfriend's) interest with Dance Central and has at least shown there are some interesting games planned for it including Project Draco, Steel Battalion, and Child of Eden (I know it's cross platform but it looks cooler to me on Kinect).
Did you catch there press releas and tweet today that saying they "sold" that many units? Nice Sony...
I agree that for the purposes of the fanboy wars, shipped figures are rather useless.
... aside from the fanboy wars, does anybody really care?
... aside from the fanboy wars, does anybody really care?
Did you catch there press release and tweet today that saying they "sold" that many units? Nice Sony...
Personally, I'm waiting to hear whether or not SOCOM 4 is better to play with Move or a traditional controller. If the majority of reviewers agree Move is an improvement, I'll grab myself some Move wands and move INTO THE FUTURE!!! Otherwise, Sony will need to wait to show me something worth justifying the purchase is even remotely coming down the line.
MS, however, has piqued my (and more importantly, my girlfriend's) interest with Dance Central and has at least shown there are some interesting games planned for Kinect including Project Draco, Steel Battalion, and Child of Eden (I know it's cross platform but it looks cooler to me on Kinect).
MS, however, has piqued my (and more importantly, my girlfriend's) interest with Dance Central and has at least shown there are some interesting games planned for Kinect including Project Draco, Steel Battalion, and Child of Eden (I know it's cross platform but it looks cooler to me on Kinect).
To be honest, I think, despite huge Kinect sales, Move sales are on track with what they're after.
They're not aiming to be the next Wii, or the next Tickle me elmo, they want to put motion controls in the hands of the current PS3 userbase, so far I think they're doing a pretty good job.
All we need now are the games dropping in the next couple of months and Move will be a sweet addittion to the PS3 users gaming.
I'm loving The Fight, and MAG is wicked with Move, not to mention Sports Champs.
But Socom and Killzone with move will make me one happy gamer.
They're not aiming to be the next Wii, or the next Tickle me elmo, they want to put motion controls in the hands of the current PS3 userbase, so far I think they're doing a pretty good job.
All we need now are the games dropping in the next couple of months and Move will be a sweet addittion to the PS3 users gaming.
I'm loving The Fight, and MAG is wicked with Move, not to mention Sports Champs.
But Socom and Killzone with move will make me one happy gamer.
Does Sony even know the sales figures? (e.g. they really sold to the retailers, and until any unsold come back, they don't know the sale figures)
Okay now that they are really the only ones refusing to provide sales numbers is it safe to assume Sony requested NPD stop publishing numbers?
sales figures mean nothing to the consumers.
does it matter to you?
personally im tired of these NUMBERS articles.
does it matter to you?
personally im tired of these NUMBERS articles.
"It's not about hindering the language, it's about people misappropriating words and terms. Similarly, the phrase is 'couldn't give a shit,' and it's 'specifically' not 'pacifically.'"
Pacifically is a mistake that the general population avoids. "Begs the question" has a modernized meaning beyond the argumentative fallacy it came from. It's become used enough to enter general linguistic convention, such as how "gay" has become predominantly associated with homosexuality rather than happiness.
Sometimes terms and words change to remain relevant. This is one of those cases. I know full well the origins of "begging the question" but I like its modern application, hence I use it.
Pacifically is a mistake that the general population avoids. "Begs the question" has a modernized meaning beyond the argumentative fallacy it came from. It's become used enough to enter general linguistic convention, such as how "gay" has become predominantly associated with homosexuality rather than happiness.
Sometimes terms and words change to remain relevant. This is one of those cases. I know full well the origins of "begging the question" but I like its modern application, hence I use it.
"does it matter to you? "
Obviously, and they *should* matter to you, at least if you have a vested interest in where software is headed. Nobody will develop games for a dud product. I bought a Move, so I'm damn interested to see if it sold enough to justify people making games for it, ergo justifying my decision to invest in one.
Sales figures are always important. They inform how games get made.
Obviously, and they *should* matter to you, at least if you have a vested interest in where software is headed. Nobody will develop games for a dud product. I bought a Move, so I'm damn interested to see if it sold enough to justify people making games for it, ergo justifying my decision to invest in one.
Sales figures are always important. They inform how games get made.
Units shipped is essentially a sale for Sony since they don't just say, "here's our product retailers, just pay us once you've sold them. WE TRUST YOU."
Obviously not nearly as many have bought it.
Obviously not nearly as many have bought it.
Sony DID sell 4.1 million units. Now whether or not the retailers sold them is a different story. Every time, for example, Best Buy orders more Sony SELLS them more. From Sony's perspective and accounting purposes they have sold 4.1 million inventory units. So why doesn't everyone stop arguing semantics.
but im just one man, surly i cant change the outcome of whether or not dud software comes out for a dud product that sells.
ill buy a move when they can prove to me its worth it, and not by sales numbers, but by developing games that interest me.
ill buy a move when they can prove to me its worth it, and not by sales numbers, but by developing games that interest me.
Please keep us updated on this, Mr. Sterling. This is vital information. We can't move forward as gamers unless we get those numbers. Perhaps you should threaten Sony with a hunger strike unless they disclose that data?
@pseudo hero
It's going to be very hard to track the Move install base accurately. Bundles are easy, but we don't know who bought one controller, or two controllers, or even who bought the EyeToy new or used way before Move was even released. It's a total estimate either way.
@pseudo hero
It's going to be very hard to track the Move install base accurately. Bundles are easy, but we don't know who bought one controller, or two controllers, or even who bought the EyeToy new or used way before Move was even released. It's a total estimate either way.
Move MGR would be sweet! i would buy one for that!
couldnt see it for kinect though, unless its on rails or something.
couldnt see it for kinect though, unless its on rails or something.
Microsoft and Nintendo, to my understanding, also report units shipped(sold to retailers), not consumers. So why should Sony report exact numbers sold? That's the NPD's job.
Who cares how many were shipped or how many were sold?? What we really need to know for Sony and Microsoft is how much net profit they are seeing from these sales. MS is well known to have spent a BILLION DOLLARS just on the marketing for Kinect and their new Windows phone, not to mention however much was spent on all the R&D and everything else that goes into bringing products like these to market, but what does that mean exactly when looking at the bottom line? Either company can sell boatloads more units than the other but if it does not equate to them actually profiting from it, then as an investor/shareholder I would count it as a huge pile of shit.
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