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Didn't Move, a relatively cheap accessory, sell like 1M, maybe 2M so far?
Hasn't the Kinect, a full blown $150 product MS already has said is profitable, already shipped (and nearly sold) around 5M in under a week?
Move has games already, for sure, which appeals to me, I assume Kinect will have them eventually.
Hasn't the Kinect, a full blown $150 product MS already has said is profitable, already shipped (and nearly sold) around 5M in under a week?
Move has games already, for sure, which appeals to me, I assume Kinect will have them eventually.
Times are tight I'd wager parents either buying a wii if they haven't already or they will buy the cheapest next best which is move. Much cheaper than buying something that costs the price of a wii system . Kinect is the new hddvd it's a peripheral that will only get harder to develop for so it won't be supported and will fail.
Move is not relatively cheap. Even if you only play single player it's $100. Most of the sorts games and such are twice the fun played with a friend.
Problem with Move is it doesn't have a killer app.
Kinect has Dance Central, which while not be for everyone, certainly is going to draw a lot more people in than the Move launch titles.
Kinect has Dance Central, which while not be for everyone, certainly is going to draw a lot more people in than the Move launch titles.
@Video
I'm pre-supposing you sleazily pick up a cheap Playstation Eye via ebay. You don't need the "new" one.
You also do not need the axillary controller - it's optional for a lot of games, and you can use a Dualshock instead.
The Move controller is $50 brand new, and the eye should be around $20 on ebay. Relatively cheap.
I'm pre-supposing you sleazily pick up a cheap Playstation Eye via ebay. You don't need the "new" one.
You also do not need the axillary controller - it's optional for a lot of games, and you can use a Dualshock instead.
The Move controller is $50 brand new, and the eye should be around $20 on ebay. Relatively cheap.
Ill get a move eventually, it might be the one thing to get me to play FPS games on consoles, fuck aiming with an analog stick. I still remain a PC gamer, but the move controller may help me be more accepting of consoles.
I'm going to assume Kinect vs Move is going to go alot like 360 vs PS3.
360 - Gets going out of the gates but eventually has its issues.
PS3 - Slow out of the gate but becomes a steady powerhouse.
I personally have more intent on getting Move. It looks more responsive than Kinect, not as costly, and Kinect doesn't have No More Heroes coming to it so it can go fuck off.
360 - Gets going out of the gates but eventually has its issues.
PS3 - Slow out of the gate but becomes a steady powerhouse.
I personally have more intent on getting Move. It looks more responsive than Kinect, not as costly, and Kinect doesn't have No More Heroes coming to it so it can go fuck off.
@Magnalon
Expecting to sell 5m by the end of the fiscal year is A LOT different then selling 5m launch week.
Expecting to sell 5m by the end of the fiscal year is A LOT different then selling 5m launch week.
I intend to get Move. Just not until it has some decent software to back it up, or the current software hits a reasonable price point. Technology's cool, but I'm not paying £30 each for a bunch of throwaway Sports Games that I have on the Wii.
Odd that I wouldn't do that, but I'll gladly pay for the Move and No More Heroes so I can play that again when it comes out. Just hope its the unedited one this time around, so both are available in the EU!
Odd that I wouldn't do that, but I'll gladly pay for the Move and No More Heroes so I can play that again when it comes out. Just hope its the unedited one this time around, so both are available in the EU!
I thought Sony's blog about the EyeToy was pretty clever, but it ultimately made me realize how badly Sony failed with the peripheral.
I mean, the fact that there are already nearly as many Kinect games released or in the pipe as the EyeToy and PS Eye have had in their entire lifecycles just goes to show that Microsoft knows how to get people excited for its products (and, in turn, make money) way better than Sony.
I mean, the fact that there are already nearly as many Kinect games released or in the pipe as the EyeToy and PS Eye have had in their entire lifecycles just goes to show that Microsoft knows how to get people excited for its products (and, in turn, make money) way better than Sony.
the biggest problem the move has is the camera, if you don't have the right lighting it doesn't properly register your movements, i use energy saving bulbs in my house and because of that the move told me that i didn't have enough light to register. Played with the kinect and ive shut off the light to see if it will register and it still does, For those out there who have tried the kinect the hardware is there and it's pretty cool, the games just aren't quite there yet.
@ hanowyoucantseeme
You realize that studios said HDDVD was the superior product to blu-ray but the reason they backed blu-ray is they felt the cost of HDDVD's would drop quicker meaning they wouldn't make as much profit and that's why HDDVD failed not because it was hard to manufacture or produce but because of costs...so comparing the kinect to HDDVD doesn't really work because.
On the plus side for the parents out there that do research into cost of games, move controller, sub controller, wii system, all the controllers, most people would probably end up buying the kinect because it ends up being cheaper in the long run vs wii and move. but those who look at upfront costs will make the mistake that move is cheaper, here's an example. 4 member family wants to all be able to play games together, XBOX 4 GB system with kinect, 3 Controllers-412.90
sony playstation 3 system with move, 4 sub controllers, 3 more move contollers, 3 regular controllers-789.77
wii system with wii sport resort, 3 controllers, 3 nunchuks, 3 motionplus, 4 classic controllers-504.86
now this is based on if you have 4 people in your family and everyone wants to play every type of game out on the market for every system, just based on the prices for the systems and everything you would need for 4 people long term makes the xbox 360 the cheaper of the 3. most people look at right now costs so in that way yeah next to the wii move looks cheaper.
@ hanowyoucantseeme
You realize that studios said HDDVD was the superior product to blu-ray but the reason they backed blu-ray is they felt the cost of HDDVD's would drop quicker meaning they wouldn't make as much profit and that's why HDDVD failed not because it was hard to manufacture or produce but because of costs...so comparing the kinect to HDDVD doesn't really work because.
On the plus side for the parents out there that do research into cost of games, move controller, sub controller, wii system, all the controllers, most people would probably end up buying the kinect because it ends up being cheaper in the long run vs wii and move. but those who look at upfront costs will make the mistake that move is cheaper, here's an example. 4 member family wants to all be able to play games together, XBOX 4 GB system with kinect, 3 Controllers-412.90
sony playstation 3 system with move, 4 sub controllers, 3 more move contollers, 3 regular controllers-789.77
wii system with wii sport resort, 3 controllers, 3 nunchuks, 3 motionplus, 4 classic controllers-504.86
now this is based on if you have 4 people in your family and everyone wants to play every type of game out on the market for every system, just based on the prices for the systems and everything you would need for 4 people long term makes the xbox 360 the cheaper of the 3. most people look at right now costs so in that way yeah next to the wii move looks cheaper.
Tha "HALF ARE PARENTS" is a direct line of publicity.. I guess they try to convince parents to buy a PS3 and they could play other games that are not childish, at least that's the impression that line provides.
Intent =/= sales.
Sorry Sony, I'm not buying what you're shoveling. Move did not impress me much when it launched, so I didn't buy it. I doubt I will until the thing is on sale, used, and I can pick up a boatload of titles for $10.
Sorry Sony, I'm not buying what you're shoveling. Move did not impress me much when it launched, so I didn't buy it. I doubt I will until the thing is on sale, used, and I can pick up a boatload of titles for $10.
Apparently I'm getting Move for the Holidays. I wasn't really planning on getting it but I am looking forward to playing HD Dead Space: Extraction and LBP2. May be fun to play around with KZ3 but I assume I'll stick with the controller for that. Hopefully Move (and Kinect) will get better offerings. And just to stay on subject, my parents are buying it for me (i'm an adult FYI), and I own a Wii.
@asojax
Can not the Kinect only play two people at a time?
Anyway, the initial cheapness of each peripheral is not ground enough to draft a conclusion, as the initial cost of the 360 is less than that of the PS3, which lead to the huge margin of the one over the other - even though the 360 costs more in the long term. Now the roles are reversed. Seems to me that marketing will be what sells either product, and not price point.
Can not the Kinect only play two people at a time?
Anyway, the initial cheapness of each peripheral is not ground enough to draft a conclusion, as the initial cost of the 360 is less than that of the PS3, which lead to the huge margin of the one over the other - even though the 360 costs more in the long term. Now the roles are reversed. Seems to me that marketing will be what sells either product, and not price point.
@ Magnalon
You forgot to take into account that some move games require two move wands... so once you take everything into account move really isn't as cheap as people are claiming. It would be nice if someone were to actually post videos on all the pros and cons of every addon, digital foundry hasn't touched on move and they tend to do a great job of letting people know the pros and cons.
You forgot to take into account that some move games require two move wands... so once you take everything into account move really isn't as cheap as people are claiming. It would be nice if someone were to actually post videos on all the pros and cons of every addon, digital foundry hasn't touched on move and they tend to do a great job of letting people know the pros and cons.
I'd really like them to not sell and everyone quietly go back to physical controllers and forget this whole messy buisness happened.
This makes Sony look rather desperate to be honest, but perhaps they should be. Kinect is selling like crazy and most people still haven't heard of the Move. Case in point, my fiancee came with me to pick up Kinect and while at the store she saw the Move. She asked me "what the heck is that?" I told her and she responded: "Do they know it looks like a dildo?"
Nope, I didn't make that up.
Nope, I didn't make that up.
"Sony has been quiet on these numbers ever since Move launched."
Didn't Sony release statements a while ago saying Move hit 1.5 million in Europe and 1 million in the US? They're not doing too bad, especially if they're right in saying that they're selling these at a profit.
On the other hand, it'd be nice to get some software sales.
Didn't Sony release statements a while ago saying Move hit 1.5 million in Europe and 1 million in the US? They're not doing too bad, especially if they're right in saying that they're selling these at a profit.
On the other hand, it'd be nice to get some software sales.
Sony and Microsoft have played perfectly into Nintendo's hands. I almost feel sorry them both. Almost. :)
Move won't move many units without first moving more moving softwarez.
tldr: Move Bitch, get out the way.
tldr: Move Bitch, get out the way.
They seem to have been cherry-picking data (not surprising, this is marketing material after all.), without including some important data to make their points more valid.
They mention shipped to retail, not sales. They say purchase intent doubled since May. (May, way back in may), was the purchase intent 2% and not it is 4%? or was it 20% and not it is 40%.. Both percentages show doubling of intent, but you get the idea.
I like Move, tho. It has opened a new venue for my gaming. I hope we get a killer app with it sooner or later.
They mention shipped to retail, not sales. They say purchase intent doubled since May. (May, way back in may), was the purchase intent 2% and not it is 4%? or was it 20% and not it is 40%.. Both percentages show doubling of intent, but you get the idea.
I like Move, tho. It has opened a new venue for my gaming. I hope we get a killer app with it sooner or later.
@ Byronic Man
2 people at a time, but you can play 4 player games that allow you to swap in and out and it recognizes everyone without any problems. You can walk into the kinects point of view and it won't hurt the person playing the game. Yes i agree marketing will be the one thing that leads people to buy one product over the other. Most people would prefer to let marketing do all the background checking and price comparisons for them, I just imagine that if sony, MS, and nintendo got together and took all the pros of each system combined them we would have one killer system. sadly what we end up with is 3 systems that are great to play but all have flaws that only those people out there willing to take a look at the big picture realize.
2 people at a time, but you can play 4 player games that allow you to swap in and out and it recognizes everyone without any problems. You can walk into the kinects point of view and it won't hurt the person playing the game. Yes i agree marketing will be the one thing that leads people to buy one product over the other. Most people would prefer to let marketing do all the background checking and price comparisons for them, I just imagine that if sony, MS, and nintendo got together and took all the pros of each system combined them we would have one killer system. sadly what we end up with is 3 systems that are great to play but all have flaws that only those people out there willing to take a look at the big picture realize.
Will Move ever go beyond being a station for Wii re-makes? I'm not so sure.
Look at it from a developer standpoint: by making a Move-specific game, you're limiting your audience to 1-2 million (at MOST). Your options are to expand your target audience by also making a Wii version (cheaper, larger install base than PS3, larger install base than Move) or by making your Move-specific game also have Dualshock 3 controls. To be honest, I'm far more excited for an HD Wii than a PS Move killer app. Sony just doesn't get how to push developers to support their products.
Look at it from a developer standpoint: by making a Move-specific game, you're limiting your audience to 1-2 million (at MOST). Your options are to expand your target audience by also making a Wii version (cheaper, larger install base than PS3, larger install base than Move) or by making your Move-specific game also have Dualshock 3 controls. To be honest, I'm far more excited for an HD Wii than a PS Move killer app. Sony just doesn't get how to push developers to support their products.
@Nyktharas
That was my entire point. Microsoft accomplished in one week what Sony's 3 month + long *goal* is.
I kinda feel bad for them.
That was my entire point. Microsoft accomplished in one week what Sony's 3 month + long *goal* is.
I kinda feel bad for them.
@Magnalon
How so? They have not sold 5 million Kinect units. Nor have I seen any sales info anywhere. If they had it would be plastered all over the net.
Microsoft is "hoping" to sell five million by the end of the year, by the looks of local retail stores in my area they have barely sold any. Not saying Move is moving any faster or slower, as it's just sitting on the shelf as well. That's just my local area though.
Link to your source that they have almost already sold five million units please?
How so? They have not sold 5 million Kinect units. Nor have I seen any sales info anywhere. If they had it would be plastered all over the net.
Microsoft is "hoping" to sell five million by the end of the year, by the looks of local retail stores in my area they have barely sold any. Not saying Move is moving any faster or slower, as it's just sitting on the shelf as well. That's just my local area though.
Link to your source that they have almost already sold five million units please?
Sony clearly showed the superiority of Move in one of their comparison chart: Kinect == no button and Move == buttons!!! Sony should fire all its marketing teams and developers who speak out too much and insist that camera technology is limited. If Microsoft has shown anything, it showed that there is a room for improvement in anything.
So after all the flash it turns out kinect is a resounding success. The system has captured the harts and minds of the public, a cursory glance at Joe blo reviews on amazon can confirm.
You have to hand it to MS, They cut their teeth to some extent being involved with dreamcast, they entered their own console in 3rd as the underdog. Leapfrogged Sony, the gaming masters, with their second entry. And now are poised to dominate with the xbox720 with natal2 tech that recognizes the slightest finger movements and the expression on your face.
Sony has grossly misspend their R&d on a wand that overnight looks like something from the dark ages compared to the sic-fi aura kinect emanates. Sony will be unable to catch up to the massive tech lead Microsoft has established, and unless nintendo throws some kind of a miracle curveball with a mind reading device, may actually slip to 3rd place...although unlikely as Sony will be almost crippled to command a2nd ever again.
Scary isn't it. Btw I own ps3 with move, and are waiting for kinect launch down under in 2 weeks.
You have to hand it to MS, They cut their teeth to some extent being involved with dreamcast, they entered their own console in 3rd as the underdog. Leapfrogged Sony, the gaming masters, with their second entry. And now are poised to dominate with the xbox720 with natal2 tech that recognizes the slightest finger movements and the expression on your face.
Sony has grossly misspend their R&d on a wand that overnight looks like something from the dark ages compared to the sic-fi aura kinect emanates. Sony will be unable to catch up to the massive tech lead Microsoft has established, and unless nintendo throws some kind of a miracle curveball with a mind reading device, may actually slip to 3rd place...although unlikely as Sony will be almost crippled to command a2nd ever again.
Scary isn't it. Btw I own ps3 with move, and are waiting for kinect launch down under in 2 weeks.
This...
"I'm going to assume Kinect vs Move is going to go alot like 360 vs PS3.
360 - Gets going out of the gates but eventually has its issues.
PS3 - Slow out of the gate but becomes a steady powerhouse. "
Also, we're all GAMERS here right? You do realise the Kinect IS NOT for you. It's for Oprah, Ellen and justin Beiber loving Soccer Moms and their little kids. Microsoft don't want you to buy Kinect, they don't care, you've already bought their Xbox, you already buy the games and probably pay for LIVE - that's why no CORE games launched with Kinect, because they DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY. They want NON-GAMERS money, because they've already got yours.
How any GAMER can say "Kinect is really cool and Move is lame" is beyond me.
Move however is specifically aimed at YOU. sure they've put some crap in there for your mom, or your kids, but primarily it's been made for YOU AND ME. With the FPS games, the Fighting games, the RTS games in mind. The Dancing and TV show (what's with that?) games are a complete after thought. this thing was designed with what YOU want from motion controls in mind.
Don't be a second rate consumer, using something aimed at Kids and Soccer Moms, with a few CORE games promised down the line sometime (ooooh you can play your game with the controller like normal, but for an extra £130 you can use HEAD TRACKING too) - PSeye does head tracing too you know.
Seriously, Move is fucking awesome for FPS games, and we all know the majority of GAMERS play a whole lot of FPS games.
If dancing and fitness games are your bag, then sure, get kinect, but on your way to the store please hand back your gamer card and join the casual queue.
"I'm going to assume Kinect vs Move is going to go alot like 360 vs PS3.
360 - Gets going out of the gates but eventually has its issues.
PS3 - Slow out of the gate but becomes a steady powerhouse. "
Also, we're all GAMERS here right? You do realise the Kinect IS NOT for you. It's for Oprah, Ellen and justin Beiber loving Soccer Moms and their little kids. Microsoft don't want you to buy Kinect, they don't care, you've already bought their Xbox, you already buy the games and probably pay for LIVE - that's why no CORE games launched with Kinect, because they DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY. They want NON-GAMERS money, because they've already got yours.
How any GAMER can say "Kinect is really cool and Move is lame" is beyond me.
Move however is specifically aimed at YOU. sure they've put some crap in there for your mom, or your kids, but primarily it's been made for YOU AND ME. With the FPS games, the Fighting games, the RTS games in mind. The Dancing and TV show (what's with that?) games are a complete after thought. this thing was designed with what YOU want from motion controls in mind.
Don't be a second rate consumer, using something aimed at Kids and Soccer Moms, with a few CORE games promised down the line sometime (ooooh you can play your game with the controller like normal, but for an extra £130 you can use HEAD TRACKING too) - PSeye does head tracing too you know.
Seriously, Move is fucking awesome for FPS games, and we all know the majority of GAMERS play a whole lot of FPS games.
If dancing and fitness games are your bag, then sure, get kinect, but on your way to the store please hand back your gamer card and join the casual queue.
AS the average age of gamers increases, we are likely to have familis with children. I love video games and have played since atari 2600. But I will not play core games with my young kids. These devices allow me to bridge that gap.
With some crystal ball gazing I expect Kinect at some point to supplement core games. Not going to speculate on how thats going to be acomplished.
With some crystal ball gazing I expect Kinect at some point to supplement core games. Not going to speculate on how thats going to be acomplished.
@Magnalon:
Er...no. Kinect hasn't sold 5 million, that's MS's projection of what it might sell. Actual sales numbers haven't been declared. These aren't even shipped numbers (eg: sold to stores and not consumers)
Er...no. Kinect hasn't sold 5 million, that's MS's projection of what it might sell. Actual sales numbers haven't been declared. These aren't even shipped numbers (eg: sold to stores and not consumers)
@Magnalon:
Er...no. Kinect hasn't sold 5 million, that's MS's projection of what it might sell. Actual sales numbers haven't been declared. These aren't even shipped numbers (eg: sold to stores and not consumers)
Er...no. Kinect hasn't sold 5 million, that's MS's projection of what it might sell. Actual sales numbers haven't been declared. These aren't even shipped numbers (eg: sold to stores and not consumers)
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