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that's a new low for Sony. that's not even legal to do it, but i guess we will see some comments from sony fanboys really soon glorifying this kind of action.
hopefully people will use those tools and crack the sucker wide open just for the sake of it - sony should die with their dirty shennanigans.
it's free to do with electronic you bought whatever you want and it is completely legal as it says in your fucking EULA that everyone has to sign(in some way), sony!
hopefully people will use those tools and crack the sucker wide open just for the sake of it - sony should die with their dirty shennanigans.
it's free to do with electronic you bought whatever you want and it is completely legal as it says in your fucking EULA that everyone has to sign(in some way), sony!
I know the end of this story, it's the end of every grim tale such as this.
EVERYONE.DIES.
EVERYONE.
EVERYONE.DIES.
EVERYONE.
Isn't easier to ban modded consoles from your servers?
You'd think if it mattered this much to them they'd do something more to secure their platform.
You'd think if it mattered this much to them they'd do something more to secure their platform.
I thought the PS3 was hacked to the extent hackers can sign their own code?
What more can those tools do that haven't been done already?
What more can those tools do that haven't been done already?
All I want to know is WHEN is the console ours ? Does Sony forever get to break all privacy rules based on corporate greed around the world ...
@sofik: Not legal? Are you insane or that unfamiliar with how court proceedings work? It is perfectly legal, well within their rights to request this, and the confiscation of hacker equipment has and will happen. These little twats need to watch their asses, as they may also, in the end of all of this, be ordered to stay away from any and all compueter equipment; ludite ban.
I like pushing the Man too, but the Man has bazillions of dollars; you don't.
I like pushing the Man too, but the Man has bazillions of dollars; you don't.
Aw, the old "British cops smashing a door down" image, a fond one that.
Also: LOL @ SOFIK
Also, cerially lol at: "Hide yo Wives, Hide yo Kids" (Hide yo husband cuz they be rapin ehrbody up in here!)
Also: LOL @ SOFIK
Also, cerially lol at: "Hide yo Wives, Hide yo Kids" (Hide yo husband cuz they be rapin ehrbody up in here!)
sofik88 this has been in the works for some time, try to read some other articles.
also read your EULA. what he did was illegal.
but then again you dont have a ps3. so i guess you can ask your buddies, pals, friends sisters, uncles, brothers former roommate if you can read his.
also read your EULA. what he did was illegal.
but then again you dont have a ps3. so i guess you can ask your buddies, pals, friends sisters, uncles, brothers former roommate if you can read his.
Since this happened in Europe, I can see this going totally the wrong way for Sony as in Europe, when you buy a console, you actually own it, so you're allowed to hack it if you want...
No it's Sony who is basically saying "If we hence PS3 is going down, we will take you hackers with us!".
This is getting a little bit out of hand. Maybe from now on people will actually read the EULA rather than just clicking 'I accept'.
@IamVerificationImage,
I like the implication there, that laws don't matter if they're not about major violations. No grasp whatsoever on legal systems or law enforcement.
I like the implication there, that laws don't matter if they're not about major violations. No grasp whatsoever on legal systems or law enforcement.
I like how people on here act like own giant electronics mega-corporations that are better than Sony.
fetusmilk,
not really since EULA has to operate "inside" each country's consumer rights. and consumer rights state clearly:
you bought the damn console - it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it. hacking or any sort of interference with the hardware by user himself can only end with losing your warranty or banning(on psn/xbla but only for using pirated copies of games or hacking online service).
not really since EULA has to operate "inside" each country's consumer rights. and consumer rights state clearly:
you bought the damn console - it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it. hacking or any sort of interference with the hardware by user himself can only end with losing your warranty or banning(on psn/xbla but only for using pirated copies of games or hacking online service).
obviously he did something illegal. its not like sonys personal black suit guards are storming this dudes house. a court(who knows the laws better than you) sided with sony.
Ya better not hack Ya better not Mod your better not Jailbreak i'm telling ya why Sony Co. is Coming to PUT YOU ASS DOWN >:/
Maybe in england where you don't have freedom, sure this guy will be in jail
In the states, however. We don't put people in jail for fucking "intellectual property" because it's retarded and our jails are full anyway.
ONLY BRITAIN MARCHES ON I guess.
In the states, however. We don't put people in jail for fucking "intellectual property" because it's retarded and our jails are full anyway.
ONLY BRITAIN MARCHES ON I guess.
This is fucking pathetic. EULA? You people are actually DEFENDING that garbage? I knew the corporations were going to take our rights from us - they're the ones with the money, after all. What I never expected was that CONSUMERS would be cheering them on as they robbed consumers of the right to OWN what they buy - as they treated us like criminals for using our own devices.
There is a long, long history of reverse-engineering hardware. We've gotten a lot of good out of it, and the horrific, rights-skewering piece of ill-conceived legislation known as the DMCA flipped common sense on its side in order to let companies like Sony do reprehensible things like this. What absolutely gobsmacks me, though, is that people here actually support it. This is literally insane.
There is a long, long history of reverse-engineering hardware. We've gotten a lot of good out of it, and the horrific, rights-skewering piece of ill-conceived legislation known as the DMCA flipped common sense on its side in order to let companies like Sony do reprehensible things like this. What absolutely gobsmacks me, though, is that people here actually support it. This is literally insane.
"This is fucking pathetic. EULA? You people are actually DEFENDING that garbage? I knew the corporations were going to take our rights from us - they're the ones with the money, after all. What I never expected was that CONSUMERS would be cheering them on as they robbed consumers of the right to OWN what they buy - as they treated us like criminals for using our own devices.
There is a long, long history of reverse-engineering hardware. We've gotten a lot of good out of it, and the horrific, rights-skewering piece of ill-conceived legislation known as the DMCA flipped common sense on its side in order to let companies like Sony do reprehensible things like this. What absolutely gobsmacks me, though, is that people here actually support it. This is literally insane."
Amen, tim333. I've been in disbelief in the past few weeks in the willingness people will scream "YES, PLEASE FUCK ME IN THE ASS MORE"
It's as if they can't get enough of their rights taken away.
There is a long, long history of reverse-engineering hardware. We've gotten a lot of good out of it, and the horrific, rights-skewering piece of ill-conceived legislation known as the DMCA flipped common sense on its side in order to let companies like Sony do reprehensible things like this. What absolutely gobsmacks me, though, is that people here actually support it. This is literally insane."
Amen, tim333. I've been in disbelief in the past few weeks in the willingness people will scream "YES, PLEASE FUCK ME IN THE ASS MORE"
It's as if they can't get enough of their rights taken away.
good for sony. Let the hackers go down in flames. There not doing anything positive for the gaming community anyways.
EULA isn't law. Breaking it isn't the same as breaking the law. Look into Blizzard vs Glider for more info. It boils down to the courts saying "just because you claim it's illegal in the EULA doesn't make it actually illegal".
Pandora's box was nothing compared to what we are about to witness.
The PS4 is closer than I previously thought.
The PS4 is closer than I previously thought.
If hackers are going to attempt to take the moral high ground, they should you know, actually take the moral high ground. Even if he really really wanted to do it, it would have been better for his case to NOT release it considering this could easily be spun in justifying Sony's legal actions. But hackers are narcissistic twats who can't think 1 step a head of themselves unless a computer is in front of them.
i also think its funny how this only started to happen because someone had to steal one of the DEV usb keys. if that never happened this probably wouldnt be going on right now.
@tim333, Dreamscape,
You have the right to not buy the product they sell, or refuse to accept the EULA. Thus your rights can NOT be taken away from you. They can't walk into your house and do jack shit to you unless you 1, purchased the product, 2, accept the terms they set out for the use of their product, and 3, violate said terms.
If you want their product bad enough to accept their terms, then your desire has caused you to sideline your rights. In the end it's your decision, prior to any of their actions; your rights, or their product. If you choose their product, then abide by their terms. If you don't abide... well then, I guess they'll be after you next. If you avoid their product on principle, this issue will never even touch you.
And I don't have the slightest bit of a problem cheering them on, because only fools give away their rights, and then turn around and demand them because now it suits them. Principles or product. EITHER. OR. That is simply the way it is, and the sooner people realize that fact, the better.
You have the right to not buy the product they sell, or refuse to accept the EULA. Thus your rights can NOT be taken away from you. They can't walk into your house and do jack shit to you unless you 1, purchased the product, 2, accept the terms they set out for the use of their product, and 3, violate said terms.
If you want their product bad enough to accept their terms, then your desire has caused you to sideline your rights. In the end it's your decision, prior to any of their actions; your rights, or their product. If you choose their product, then abide by their terms. If you don't abide... well then, I guess they'll be after you next. If you avoid their product on principle, this issue will never even touch you.
And I don't have the slightest bit of a problem cheering them on, because only fools give away their rights, and then turn around and demand them because now it suits them. Principles or product. EITHER. OR. That is simply the way it is, and the sooner people realize that fact, the better.
Obviously Sony is still toiling along...I'm just curious how the wall that they've been beating their heads against is holding up.
If hackers are going to attempt to take the moral high ground, they should you know, actually take the moral high ground. Even if he really really wanted to do it, it would have been better for his case to NOT release it considering this could easily be spun in justifying Sony's legal actions. But hackers are narcissistic twats who can't think 1 step a head of themselves unless a computer is in front of them.
This.
This.
tim333:
"This is fucking pathetic. EULA? You people are actually DEFENDING that garbage? I knew the corporations were going to take our rights from us - they're the ones with the money, after all. What I never expected was that CONSUMERS would be cheering them on as they robbed consumers of the right to OWN what they buy - as they treated us like criminals for using our own devices.
There is a long, long history of reverse-engineering hardware. We've gotten a lot of good out of it, and the horrific, rights-skewering piece of ill-conceived legislation known as the DMCA flipped common sense on its side in order to let companies like Sony do reprehensible things like this. What absolutely gobsmacks me, though, is that people here actually support it. This is literally insane."
@tim333
You took the words right out of my mouth.
I remember the days when owning a console meant you didn't have to worry about things like police raids. It really makes me sad for gaming today...
"This is fucking pathetic. EULA? You people are actually DEFENDING that garbage? I knew the corporations were going to take our rights from us - they're the ones with the money, after all. What I never expected was that CONSUMERS would be cheering them on as they robbed consumers of the right to OWN what they buy - as they treated us like criminals for using our own devices.
There is a long, long history of reverse-engineering hardware. We've gotten a lot of good out of it, and the horrific, rights-skewering piece of ill-conceived legislation known as the DMCA flipped common sense on its side in order to let companies like Sony do reprehensible things like this. What absolutely gobsmacks me, though, is that people here actually support it. This is literally insane."
@tim333
You took the words right out of my mouth.
I remember the days when owning a console meant you didn't have to worry about things like police raids. It really makes me sad for gaming today...
The EULA is not a real agreement; until recently, they never held up in court. I don't know which is worse, the fact that they're starting to or the fact that people come on places like this and say "serves you right, read your EULA".
I'll be writing a blog about this. There is way too much to say here.
I'll be writing a blog about this. There is way too much to say here.
What a story. Wonder what Bobby Kotick thinks of this charade www.askmen.com/specials/2010_top_49/16-bobby-kotick.html
tim333:
"I'll be writing a blog about this. There is way too much to say here."
@tim333
I look forward to reading that blog ;)
"I'll be writing a blog about this. There is way too much to say here."
@tim333
I look forward to reading that blog ;)
Sorry about the DMCA thing - obviously it doesn't apply in Germany. I should have said that it's decisions LIKE the DMCA that are allowing reprehensible things like this to go on.
Meh... at least the scare tactics might stop the plethora of 16 year old kids that are hacking their PS3's to get all the trophies, get god-mode in some game or that pirate games.
I still don't get people that defend the hackers. Please educate me. Please tell me of a published hack that doesn't easily allow for piracy or for hackers to fuck up the online system for other gamers. Please inform me of why it's your "right" to pirate games and deprive devs of their profit so that they would simply stop making games for that console? I honestly don't get why an actual gamer would defend hackers.
I still don't get people that defend the hackers. Please educate me. Please tell me of a published hack that doesn't easily allow for piracy or for hackers to fuck up the online system for other gamers. Please inform me of why it's your "right" to pirate games and deprive devs of their profit so that they would simply stop making games for that console? I honestly don't get why an actual gamer would defend hackers.
Hackers - 5, Sony - 4
This was a unprecedented strike, Sony is showing how extreme they are willing to go.
This was a unprecedented strike, Sony is showing how extreme they are willing to go.
@Elsa I'm not defending piracy and I never said anybody had the right to pirate games; I wish you wouldn't put words into the mouths of others.
What Sony has done here is treat reverse engineering hardware that one owns - a global right we've all had for a long, long time - as a crime. This doesn't equate to piracy. It can be used for that, but that doesn't make reverse engineering itself immoral. Equating the two is the sort of scare tactic that is used to take our rights away.
I've been using a soft-modded Wii for years and I love all the fantastic homebrew software available on wiibrew.org. If you go there, you'll find that anybody who asks about piracy or "backups" on the forum isn't tolerated. Equating "hacking" to piracy is absurd.
What Sony has done here is treat reverse engineering hardware that one owns - a global right we've all had for a long, long time - as a crime. This doesn't equate to piracy. It can be used for that, but that doesn't make reverse engineering itself immoral. Equating the two is the sort of scare tactic that is used to take our rights away.
I've been using a soft-modded Wii for years and I love all the fantastic homebrew software available on wiibrew.org. If you go there, you'll find that anybody who asks about piracy or "backups" on the forum isn't tolerated. Equating "hacking" to piracy is absurd.
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