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Sony says that the 'disc-based delivery system will fall'

12:07 PM on 06.20.2008, Dale North 52 comments

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Those crazy Sony people. First they tell us that Blu-ray is the wave of the future, and now they say that digital downloads are. Make up your mind!

At a developer conference in London, SCEE president David Reeves said that the future is the PlayStation Network. He points out that internal figures that show over 40 per cent of PS3 owners download games direct to their machines.

Reeves told MCV UK:

The key to the future is the PlayStation Network, Games put straight onto PSN are the big opportunity.

We do believe that the disc-based delivery system will fall as the power of the network base rises. At the same time, the overall industry growth will continue to go upwards as we push out into emerging markets.

What we don’t see is an overall decline in the market. This is a golden era of video games.

So which is it, Sony?

HEXUS.gaming points out that current games may never work as downloads. Think about Metal Gear Solid 4. Could you imagine trying to download that game?

I think there's room for both. Even though they are "proofing itself against the disaster the music industry has found itself in," games are still selling on discs. I'd say keep the downloads for smaller games, and push the disc for big titles. 

Do you agree with Sony's belief in a downloadable future?


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Daddygerplex's Avatar
Daddygerplex at 06/20/2008 12:13
When GT5:P was released in Europe it was about 50% more expensive to DL it then to go buy the physical copy.

Untill the download version reaches a price where its better value then having a hard copy then i will continue to buy from a shop.
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mix at 06/20/2008 12:17
I will always prefer to buy a physical copy over a downloaded version any day as stuff that I DL on my computer feels like I don't really own it, hence why people pirate stuff.

I like my goods tangible bitch.
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Mxyzptlk at 06/20/2008 12:19
Discs aren't going anywhere for a long time. Digital distribution is great for smaller titles, but traditional console games will primarily stay physical. There's too many collectors or people who won't trust digital copies for it to go away.
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Mecha Jesus at 06/20/2008 12:19
As much of a technophile as I am, I will always want/need a hard copy to hold on to. Plus, the actual physical act of going out and purchasing something, holding it in your hand, and saying it's yours is as much a part of gaming as the playing the game itself. Plus, I see this becoming something that would end poorly for the gamer. What if you want to get rid of some stuff on your hard drive? Could you sell back your right to own that game to the developer? Do you go the way of Nintendo, and allow you to re download it?(I can't speak for the other two because I don't have a ps3 or a 360)

Digital gaming may become more prominent, but until networks become capable of withstanding that much bandwidth consumption, I don't see it happening for a very long time.
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s0lesurviv0r at 06/20/2008 12:25
I'm still waiting for the paperless era so I can build stacks of those plastic notepad things from star trek.
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Netrat33 at 06/20/2008 12:25
in the year 2525...
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Cowboy TTop at 06/20/2008 12:26
Sony are like a rabbit with two heads, very quick at saying stuff and confusing us. Make up your minds, Sony.

DLC should be indeed used for smaller games, and while they think its gonna be the future, things like Japan's lack of broadband go against that, so physical media will surely have to co-exist with DLC. Prices need to be sorted out too.

At the end of the day, no matter what suits and analysts say, you can't beat having a physical relationship with physical product. The internet is a good delivery system for games, but with games getting larger and more complex, it would be more like suicide to place all your bets online and on DLC.
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TempyMcTemp at 06/20/2008 12:26
Of course they want you to download games. You can't resell them at gamestop.

Digital distribution is just a new way to give people less and make more money doing it.
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Tuxy at 06/20/2008 12:31
Exactly.

That's why MS needs to keep developing XBL to leap frog physical media. It would be great if they could offer streaming HD content right out of the box.

Hopefully xbox 3 will acheive this, sans stupid DRM flaws, RROD, poor build quality, seperate/overpriced peripherals. You get my point.
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ParaParaKing at 06/20/2008 12:33
They should release games both ways. Just make sure the download copy is cheaper, because it is actually worth less. (Unless you share with 5 people, though...)
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Holiday at 06/20/2008 12:34
I'm pretty sure you could download and install a game on your PS3 in the same time or less than it would take to go to the store and buy a hard copy. Running video games off discs is antiquated technology. Give me smooth framerates and a quiet console any day. Not to mention, think of how much less plastic waste is generated.
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Mauer at 06/20/2008 12:36
Personally, I like having the discs. I like building a collection and being able to look at all my game on a shelf, same thing with movies. I have well over 700 movies on dvd and blu ray, that would need way more HDD space then I'm willing to purchase.
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Cowboy TTop at 06/20/2008 12:39
Indeed, and they haven't even mentioned the DRM stuff they probably lump with DLC. If you count the way DLC is gimped when all you are doing is unlocking content already on the disc, and you'll see how this can expolit us all.

Sony have got to understand, after them torpedoing Lik Sang, not letting import our PSP games etc, in short we don't trust big megacorps and companies. They only have their interests at heart, and don't want us to own our games anymore.

If they work with us and meet us half way, that's fine, if not, I say fuck them, and give us our games.
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DeusPayne at 06/20/2008 12:40
Digital downloads CAN be well done. Just look at steam. I feel completely safe with anything I buy off of there. I never feel like I don't want to uninstall a game for fear of not being able to reinstall it later, or losing the downloaded files. As long as digital distribution continues along that model of centralized storage with a database of who can access what.

Instead, you see EAs digital distribution which just makes you want to punch someone in the throat. They want to charge you $6 more just to be able to download the game for up to 2 years after purchase, and only 6 months if you don't pay that extra bit. For what? They aren't creating a copy for you, they aren't doing anything different than they normally are other than 'licensing' access to their database for a longer period of time. If THAT model of digital distribution continues, there's 0 chance it will survive against physical media.
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CjnLion at 06/20/2008 12:40
40% of PS3 owners download games, eh?
And what percentage is paying for these downloaded 'games?'
I'm sure the figure includes those who download demos, and that's not nearly as impressive. Nice, Sony.
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Brahms at 06/20/2008 12:45
Quite frankly, licensing issues aside, I think what we have right now is just fine. Smaller games that never would have received physical distribution receive release through services like Steam and Xbox Live, which is more than I could ask for. I do prefer a physical copy of the bigger games I own, though.
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vuffi_raa at 06/20/2008 12:45
I like buying on disc better- unless they drop the DRM and you can burn a physical backup since hardware WILL fail at some point
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JonDarkwood at 06/20/2008 12:51
Movies haven't gone in that direction yet, so I think it will be a long time before this comes true. It could happen, but I can't imagine it will any time soon.
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Leathersoup at 06/20/2008 12:53
If a company can guarantee that I will be able to download anything I've purchased until the end of time, I'll be happy with downloading all of my titles. Until then, they'd better keep pumping em out on disc.
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cchance at 06/20/2008 13:01
ummm so 8gb wasnt large enough for sony games... so they expect us to download 25gb of bloated games now?

WTF
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cchance at 06/20/2008 13:04
xbox360 ... dvd for nostalia and 2tb of space for digitial distro.
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deiga-the-semivaliant at 06/20/2008 13:04
Is it me, or is the UK division of Sony starting to beat out the other branches when it comes to boneheaded statements?

Direct download won't be up to snuff until we all have super fast wireless broadband access for a low price.

Until then, I'd like to have a box thank-you-very-much.
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matt247 at 06/20/2008 13:07
Distributors and the companies who make the disc and packaging will be pissed off. It'll lead to people losing their jobs and companies going out of business. There will probably be strikes if they decide to go that way. Walmart once tried to cut out the bottler for coca cola so they could bottle it and sell it at a cheaper price and the bottlers for coca cola were not happy and ended up suing coca cola. I don't see digital distribution taking over discs. The infrastructure for the internet is too slow/poor in the U.S. and how will you play games at your friends house, carry your entire console?
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bellow at 06/20/2008 13:11
I think the gaming industry wants to close that 'trade in' culture. They see it almost as a scam, not far off pirating. DLC isn't the way to go, though. I've had too many hard drives fail on me to even consider a downloadable version when a hard copy is available.
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elysse at 06/20/2008 13:11
disc-less is the future, eh? kinda like how PS3 was going to be a blockbusting success even at 599$? how's that working out for ya there, Sony?

srsly, i had been a supporter of Sony's many forms for many years up until this whole "We'll Tell You What You Want and How Much You Want To Pay" debacle. now i trust them as far as i can throw them (not their components).
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king3vbo at 06/20/2008 13:11
40%... that's not that much
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BS3 Owner at 06/20/2008 13:15
Honestly, I hope they put HOME on BRD.
If they charge for it...

( I'ld buy it. )
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funran at 06/20/2008 13:21
This isn't a quite fair annalysis of the statement. We can't condemn Sony for looking ahead. Just because they back Blu-Ray now, doesn't mean they don't think that gaming will grow later. It's obvious that they will support their media choice, but it's good to know that digital downloads are in Sony's mindset for the future, as the industry grows and changes towards that type of new media.
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Rigor Mortis at 06/20/2008 13:32
I dislike downloadable media. Too much opportunity to be screwed over between DRM, server failures, hard drive crashes, etc, etc.

And how can I have a massive game room of Awesomeness+4 if I have no games to fill my shelves with?
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vaintrain at 06/20/2008 13:52
So now they finally admit it!? Did they consult with Aaron Greenburg finally?
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Projectexodus at 06/20/2008 14:04
First, we're gonna need bigger hardrives.
Second, the Internet must be replaced by "The Grid".
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drizzt at 06/20/2008 14:07
@mix Agreed. I like having pristine cases and the instruction manuals for my game when I can. I don't mind downloading games online that are quick, pick up and play (i.e. Everyday Shooter or Fl0w) but I wanna hold my MGS4 collector's edition in my hands dammit!
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CBunn at 06/20/2008 14:12
I for one would love having both options. as long as the download is tied to an account, and not to some system (I believe this is already the case)
Not being an US resident, digital delivery is always the preferred method for me, as I don't have to wait up to a month to get my games. ( Man, when the FUCK is my GTA IV arriving? ).
There's also the possibility of the media going bad (I take a lot of care, never happened, but the risk is there).
The biggest downside is that downloads don't usually end up in bargain bins, and take way longer to get discounts, if they get them at all ( see wii VC ). As for owning the physycal copy.. well I feel safer owning the digital ones. I can't find my quake II copy anymore, but if I had bought in some system a la steam, I'd have it, always
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ghets at 06/20/2008 14:24
I dont like the sound of that. I like things just fine the way they are now. Smaller games as downloadables and big fancy games on a disc that i can take wherever i want. Or maybe going the Warhawk route and have both so at least we have a choice. But having games restricted to my console alone does not sound good to me. Especially with the number of games i buy, i would run out of space in a month.
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brainderailment at 06/20/2008 14:26
He never the said Disk based system would fail during this generation. Also, people like to have a choice between disk and download. Like Warhawk. I think the physical media system for portables will be gone when the next handhelds come around. I would love to have a PSP with a massive HDD that contains all my games.
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momo at 06/20/2008 14:29
There will be a real problem if broadband companies continue to test the waters of metered payment plans. A game that fills a blu-ray disc is what, 58 gigs? That's above the monthly cap for every metered plan I've heard being tested.

I don't want to have to pay for a game, the bandwidth to download it, and then the bandwidth to play it.

(And yes, none of this is Sony's fault, but it's certainly an issue they'll need to consider if this sort of pricing scheme ends up becoming more prevalent.)
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Sueng at 06/20/2008 15:54
We can all dance around this topic going back and forth, but lets get a couple of things straight.

1) Sony said in the FUTURE. Meaning by that time, the broadband infrastructure will be dramatically improved, there will be dedicated databases of telling who bought what and so on, disk space will be much cheaper for the gig, and ghetto neighborhoods will be bucking from free public wifi that the white kids bought.

2) The same people who prefer owning a physical copy will be old men yelling at the "Damn kids" for being on their lawn. I'm sure our great grandfathers would have scoffed at the idea of newspapers being on the internet, what difference will it be when our children's children will be spoiled by the fact that they have the choice to become social rejects by staying at home and downloading their videogames.

3) Sony is obviously trying to spend less money on hardware, cause we all if they got rid of the BD-Drive and made it an add-on instead, the system would be MUCH more affordable. And besides we all know software is the real moneymaker now.

So add this all together and in the end, it spells doom for all of us old school disc keeping old men.
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Volomon at 06/20/2008 16:02
Whats wrong with disc based games supported by digital content? Digital content is nothing but a bandaid. When we are hurting for games we turn to the PSN to alleviate that need for gaming. 90% of the time though theres really nothing but crap.
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Necros at 06/20/2008 16:15
If a new games has identical features on both distribution methods, I will still buy the physical copy. I like my security. The only time I collect digital games (VC, XBLA) is when the rerelease is significantly improved over the original in some way (Rez HD) or compensates for its non-physical form by losing the weaknesses of the original copy (games on VC display in progressive scan, which is important for HDTVs, and don't have battery saves that die). Otherwise, I'd rather have the physical copy for security and collector's sentimentality.
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Nyteshade at 06/20/2008 18:53
As a long time PC gamer and networking professional, I scoff at the idea that digital distribution cannot work for larger games. Maybe not fully for this gen of consoles, but us PC gamers (with our big manly HDDs) have adopted digital distribution on pretty much every main stream title.

I haven't bought a hard copy of a PC game in nearly 2 years, yet I have all of the newest games... Crysis (crap), Spore (soon, Creatures now), the many AAA games on Steam, AoC, WoW, Mass Effect, and hundreds more games can all be downloaded.

I have an ~8 Mbps connection from Comcrap, and it still only takes about an hour for the large games. Fiber is now as cheap, or cheaper than coax and Cat5-6, FIOS is only the beginning for the US. With some basic compression and decent broadband (US is one of the slowest), digital distribution is here to stay.

@JohnDarkwood - "Movies haven't gone in that direction yet"

Uhhh, Netflix online much? And theaters are going 3D to try and woo people back... until monitors go 3D...
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konchu at 06/20/2008 19:02
I seem to remember someone saying we needed Blu-Ray for next gen for all the extra data HD needs could that have been Sony! I mean sure there is a hard drive in the thing and bigger ones can be added but really how big can games get and still not be a total pain to get and manage. I know they are talking about the future but they really need to sort there bandwidth before they start trying to sell this idea. It takes me normally 30 mins minimum every time they do a patch. And downloads are often painfully slow for me .

I also like having physical media to collect. I know I'm probably not the average consumer but if all games were downloads I would probably buy less as I would buy the games as I wanted to play them as there is no joy in collecting bits(well at least those bits)
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thelonelysouls at 06/20/2008 19:15
All you really need is the basic installer as a download and the guts of the game sitting on servers and you'd solve the massive download issue.

You'd have to be connected to the net at all times to play and you would never own a physical product but that's not a big deal for someone like myself, I just like to play a game and move on to the next one; I'm not a big collector.
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mauriliose at 06/20/2008 20:04
I can't wait for this to happen!

Death to physical media, they only serve as a way of backup, the future will be based on the paid or free contents selled only from the internet, this way we can have better and realistic prices, not mentioning the fact that everything should be centered in (and from) one single place/source in your house.

Inserting and removing discs to play games, hear musics, watch movies, it's ridiculous, unfortunatelly a few people realize that (those who don't live in the past), the majority is masochist, that's why they can't see the beauty of this thing.
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Volomon at 06/20/2008 21:13
@mariliose Yes I can't wait for my flying car so I can rush home to my 10gig connection and my 500 tb drive.
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loki d20 at 06/20/2008 22:29
Wow! 40% of PS3 owners download digital games? I wonder what percentage of PS3 owners buy games on disc and which format makes more profit!?!

Sorry, but digital distribution is one avenue, not _the_ avenue.
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mistic at 06/21/2008 01:14
if they want to start with downloadable games, they shouldn't have put 40GB disks into those PS3's :-)
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BlackSunEmpire at 06/21/2008 01:24
While I agree that I prefer to own physical copies of my games, I wonder how many people would be open to the idea of downloading a game with an image to stamp on a disc, an instruction manual in pdf/printable form and a dust jacket for standard dvd sized case??

While this leaves out other media (umd, ds cart, etc), it seems these are likely to go the way of the flash drive anyway.
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Crumpet Lips at 06/21/2008 11:58
Sorry but if there is a must have game I need to own, I prefer buying the physical rendition of it so I can keep it in prestige condition and admire it later down the track
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