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You don't need to be connected to install regular shop bought games . I've been playing lovely portal 2 all weekend . Obviously a gesture of good will would be nice when its sorted out but no biggie.
Im pissed because I just bought Mortal Kombat but I will say that I would rather not have a network then one that doesn't work.
For the people who say how are they going to make up for it.. they already have by letting you play online for free.. now a days its the game makers giving you oniline codes to play online without paying.
I'm perfectly ok with this, I'm happy to see them adding the extra security.
Plus It's a 3 day Holiday weekend with nice weather, so I knew I wouldn't be home during the day,and way too shitfaced at night to play games anyway LOL
It would be nice to see them finally implement the new Cross Platform WebKit Web Browser during this downtime though...
Plus It's a 3 day Holiday weekend with nice weather, so I knew I wouldn't be home during the day,and way too shitfaced at night to play games anyway LOL
It would be nice to see them finally implement the new Cross Platform WebKit Web Browser during this downtime though...
Well, theres enough in MK to keep you playing offline for a looooooong time! Plus its NHL playoffs, so this PSN thing isnt bothering me too much right now. Although, I do still want to play some KZ3 online, but I can wait.
If i see ne more loser say to go outside im liable to murder someone. I do go out, and im not sure how bustling and busy your life is if you are posting in the destructoid comment box from that raging party telling someone else to go outside.
I think the biggest thing is that I can't access my Netflix account, which I do pay for. Additionally, I believe it is my right to access the content that I pay to have available to me at the time of my choosing. That's part of the cost of every system and game sold. As the end user and paying customer, I feel that I am more than entitled to compensation for any outage that lasts longer than a few hours. I wrote Sony on their website, explaining that I felt I was owed compensation for this outage, and stated that I would accept compensation in the form of a PSN credit or cash mailed to my home. I suggest that everybody else do the same.
It's worth a shot. Maybe we'll get a copy of Sonic I. >_<
It's worth a shot. Maybe we'll get a copy of Sonic I. >_<
I can understand wanting to strengthen the network against future wankery, but no matter what happens now, Sony's got it's worst black eye since Betamax. When it comes to gaming I prefer everything from Sony, but I can't possibly trust them in the same way again... Unless I get a bunch of free stuff as a make-up gift. Seriously.
Does Sony owe anyone anything even PS+ subscribers? ..... short answer NO.
Of course I'm really tired of that being the defacto conclusion to any and all arguments "They don't owe you anything you self entitled whiners its (free/optional), STFU". Seriously if that is your only argument .... you understand nothing and you lose.
Nothing is "free" especially when its coming from a company. You can be assured that behind that skin deep crocodile smile, that everything about that "free" whatever has been calculated out to give them the maximum ROI (return on investment). It might not be immediately obvious but you are paying for those features one way or the other.
Does Sony want to avoid people moving to competitors because of the outage ..... short answer YES.
What is the easiest and cheapest way to do that? .... Nominal Compensation (here have a free classic PSX game on us, of ~x value or less, or the likes). Its called a gesture of good faith, one might also call it a loss leader. Yeah they are going to lose some additional capital but the good faith it generates will likely off set any complaints about their unplanned/extended network outage. In the long run it puts them in a position to not only look good but to make far more in revenues than the paltry gesture itself cost them.
In the end it all boils down to damage control and what will be the best ROI.
Of course I'm really tired of that being the defacto conclusion to any and all arguments "They don't owe you anything you self entitled whiners its (free/optional), STFU". Seriously if that is your only argument .... you understand nothing and you lose.
Nothing is "free" especially when its coming from a company. You can be assured that behind that skin deep crocodile smile, that everything about that "free" whatever has been calculated out to give them the maximum ROI (return on investment). It might not be immediately obvious but you are paying for those features one way or the other.
Does Sony want to avoid people moving to competitors because of the outage ..... short answer YES.
What is the easiest and cheapest way to do that? .... Nominal Compensation (here have a free classic PSX game on us, of ~x value or less, or the likes). Its called a gesture of good faith, one might also call it a loss leader. Yeah they are going to lose some additional capital but the good faith it generates will likely off set any complaints about their unplanned/extended network outage. In the long run it puts them in a position to not only look good but to make far more in revenues than the paltry gesture itself cost them.
In the end it all boils down to damage control and what will be the best ROI.
Actually, it gives them more time to appreciate the campaign. It seems too often these days people just gloss over it or skip it completely in favor of vs/co-op. If that continues developers won't even bother creating a campaign anymore, and you can kiss good stories goodbye for the industry.
@scuffles
It's the Defacto conclusion because it's correct. You may feel entitled to compensation but if you read your ToS (again) you will see that Sony reserves the right to remove/shut down psn at any time for any length of time.
Legally, anyone asking for compensation doesn't have a leg to stand on. You can try to suggest that the online fee is paid for by other means but that doesn't change the fact that ps3 owners are owed nothing.
Also. Cry more.
It's the Defacto conclusion because it's correct. You may feel entitled to compensation but if you read your ToS (again) you will see that Sony reserves the right to remove/shut down psn at any time for any length of time.
Legally, anyone asking for compensation doesn't have a leg to stand on. You can try to suggest that the online fee is paid for by other means but that doesn't change the fact that ps3 owners are owed nothing.
Also. Cry more.
I have no problem with this. If they have to rebuild the infrastructure to ensure the online system is somewhat protected, that's fine.
I am a patient type of guy, but the length of the downtime is becoming a bit ridiculous.
I agree with comments that this isn't the end of the world, but this is the first time I have experienced 4 days downtime in any form of networking gaming or internet access since I started playing online in 96.
While I appreciate that it takes man hours to resolve any problem I do wish the updates were more frequent.
I agree with comments that this isn't the end of the world, but this is the first time I have experienced 4 days downtime in any form of networking gaming or internet access since I started playing online in 96.
While I appreciate that it takes man hours to resolve any problem I do wish the updates were more frequent.
@ Fission Mailed
Yes it's a free service, but what about the services that are on this FREE service that we pay for...like Netflix, etc.
Yes it's a free service, but what about the services that are on this FREE service that we pay for...like Netflix, etc.
Me worrying about the security of my private information > Missing a few days of online play.
I trust Sony will fix the problem and invest in infrastructure so this wont happen again, I just hope everyones personal info wasn't compromised!
I trust Sony will fix the problem and invest in infrastructure so this wont happen again, I just hope everyones personal info wasn't compromised!
Something that I have not seen mentioned yet - PS+ subscribers get may be significantly fucked over by this outage, the Streets of Rage and Bionic Commando 2 DRM is really only the tip of the iceberg for us.
You know how PS+ subcscribers get free games for the duration of their subscription? This works by having a license issued, which expires when the PS+ subscription runs out. In some cases, you must start up the game after you have renewed your subscription, whilst connected to PSN, in order to be issued a new licenses and be able to play the game. My subscription renewed at the start of April. Any PS+ games I downloaded before then, and have not started up since then, do not work. Which, from the bottom of my XMB, is as follows:
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus (PSOne Classics)
Dracula - Undead Awakening (Minis)
Syphon Filter (PSOne Classics)
Cuboid
Kula World (PSOne Classics)
Samurai Shodown (Neogeo Station)
Shatter
Lead and Gold
Magician Lord (Neogeo Station)
Sonic the Hedgehog
Critter Crunch, Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse Episodes 1-5, Wipeout HD, Flying Hamster (Minis) and Stacking all seem to have unlimited licenses and I can play them without a problem.
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix, ZEN Pinball, Astro Tripper, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Prince of Persia Classic, Red Faction: Battlegrounds and Pain were all obtained after my last subscription renewal, or I played them after renewing so they have had their licenses renewed and are current. Hypothetically, if PSN stayed down for another two months, I would be locked out of all of these.
So that is 10 games I am locked out of (and another seven I can still access by virtue of having a current license). I don't download even half the Minis and PSOne Classics that get put up on PS+, only the ones I intend to play. Someone who downloads them all would probably have two to three times as many games, they could potentially be locked out of over 30 titles when you take into account all those Minis.
I have subscribed since launch on 29 June last year at £11.99 for 90 days, so that means I have paid £47.96 ($79). I know I should be raging, but instead I find my self a mix of uncomfortable about the license system, and smug that I have gotten so much for so litte. Hell, at one point Kula World was commanding Radiant Silvergun-esque prices on ebay, in fact there is a physical copy on there now with buy it now for £175 ($289).
Just some fuel for the 'Should PS+ subcribers get some recompense?' fire.
You know how PS+ subcscribers get free games for the duration of their subscription? This works by having a license issued, which expires when the PS+ subscription runs out. In some cases, you must start up the game after you have renewed your subscription, whilst connected to PSN, in order to be issued a new licenses and be able to play the game. My subscription renewed at the start of April. Any PS+ games I downloaded before then, and have not started up since then, do not work. Which, from the bottom of my XMB, is as follows:
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus (PSOne Classics)
Dracula - Undead Awakening (Minis)
Syphon Filter (PSOne Classics)
Cuboid
Kula World (PSOne Classics)
Samurai Shodown (Neogeo Station)
Shatter
Lead and Gold
Magician Lord (Neogeo Station)
Sonic the Hedgehog
Critter Crunch, Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse Episodes 1-5, Wipeout HD, Flying Hamster (Minis) and Stacking all seem to have unlimited licenses and I can play them without a problem.
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix, ZEN Pinball, Astro Tripper, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Prince of Persia Classic, Red Faction: Battlegrounds and Pain were all obtained after my last subscription renewal, or I played them after renewing so they have had their licenses renewed and are current. Hypothetically, if PSN stayed down for another two months, I would be locked out of all of these.
So that is 10 games I am locked out of (and another seven I can still access by virtue of having a current license). I don't download even half the Minis and PSOne Classics that get put up on PS+, only the ones I intend to play. Someone who downloads them all would probably have two to three times as many games, they could potentially be locked out of over 30 titles when you take into account all those Minis.
I have subscribed since launch on 29 June last year at £11.99 for 90 days, so that means I have paid £47.96 ($79). I know I should be raging, but instead I find my self a mix of uncomfortable about the license system, and smug that I have gotten so much for so litte. Hell, at one point Kula World was commanding Radiant Silvergun-esque prices on ebay, in fact there is a physical copy on there now with buy it now for £175 ($289).
Just some fuel for the 'Should PS+ subcribers get some recompense?' fire.
I really hope they give us some free Home avatar items when this is all over.
Been eyeing a new couch, myself.
Been eyeing a new couch, myself.
Thank god I got my copy of Portal 2 on time and linked it to Steam asap. I have a ton of friends still waiting to link the steam/psn account.
I was mistaken, it looks like installs work fine. I parroted bad information. Some PSN games with DRM definitely do not work though, that part was correct at least.
"So imagine you're at a restaurant and the kitchen is having problems because they left the employee entrance wide open and some jerks just helped themselves to various things in the kitchen. You're the guy waiting on the order you placed, you're hungry and the jerks stole the stuff of the appetizers, too. Its kind of the same thing."
Even in this comparison, I would direct my anmoyance at the appetizer thief and not at the restaurant.
Even in this comparison, I would direct my anmoyance at the appetizer thief and not at the restaurant.
At least I can use the internet browser to go on youjizz.com and jerk the fuck off to some tenticle rape hentai.
Also yeah it sucks that psn is down and maybe not the smartest move by sony. I just don't think everyone should put their blame on them. Sony isn't just protecting their interests but ours and the developers as well. Some people are just so full of themselves. You actually think sony doesn't give a shit about this? Look at all the loses sony is taking by shutting down their network and the most of you say fuck sony? I would love to see all you hypocrites in the same situation and everyone says fuck you instead of flipping off the real culprits.
@sayword
"Sony isn't just protecting their interests but ours and the developers as well"
"Look at all the loses sony is taking by shutting down their network..."
So what your saying is we should be sympathetic that this service is down because Sony and game devs are losing our money.
Sure. Because I'm that desperate to make them richer I can't stand not being able to throw more money at them.
The only people I feel sorry for are the good, honest people who can't play a little team deathmatch over a long weekend. Sony were unprepared andnbow the user base pays so Sony gets no sympathy from me.
"Sony isn't just protecting their interests but ours and the developers as well"
"Look at all the loses sony is taking by shutting down their network..."
So what your saying is we should be sympathetic that this service is down because Sony and game devs are losing our money.
Sure. Because I'm that desperate to make them richer I can't stand not being able to throw more money at them.
The only people I feel sorry for are the good, honest people who can't play a little team deathmatch over a long weekend. Sony were unprepared andnbow the user base pays so Sony gets no sympathy from me.
@Bakewell
Aww you huwrteb mai feewings *cry's more*
Anyone who has ever read a EULA or a TOS knows that they all read about the same
"Thank you for your money, please accept this NOTHING in return."
I do rather recall saying that they did not owe anyone anything but that won't stop them from running calculated damage control. Not that one should mistake damage control for benevolence.
You have also somehow mistaken me with someone with an immediate vested interest in how they handle the situation from a customer service standpoint. Strange thing that customer service according to the EULA/TOS it doesn't exist. While it will probably in the long run influence when, where and if I choose to do business with Sony in the future.
What I am tired of is all the people who cower like beaten dogs, enjoy your status quo you earned it :)
Aww you huwrteb mai feewings *cry's more*
Anyone who has ever read a EULA or a TOS knows that they all read about the same
"Thank you for your money, please accept this NOTHING in return."
I do rather recall saying that they did not owe anyone anything but that won't stop them from running calculated damage control. Not that one should mistake damage control for benevolence.
You have also somehow mistaken me with someone with an immediate vested interest in how they handle the situation from a customer service standpoint. Strange thing that customer service according to the EULA/TOS it doesn't exist. While it will probably in the long run influence when, where and if I choose to do business with Sony in the future.
What I am tired of is all the people who cower like beaten dogs, enjoy your status quo you earned it :)
@bakewell well if we don't give them our hard earned dollars then how are we supposed to get more awesome games? Lol and I really could careless who you feel sorry for but to act like sony saw something like this coming or to think they deserved this is a fucked up way of looking at the situation. Sure sony has part to blame but its the hackers that fucked this shit up for the innocent gamers. Most people can't see that and its a damn shame.
... and just a note for those that mentioned it, but required game updates seem to install just fine (on the slim units) even with PSN being down. I've plugged in a bunch of older games (Uncharted and Borderlands) and both needed game updates - which downloaded and installed even without the PSN connection.
Yeah this downtime is beginning to piss me off. I want it fixed right like everyone else but we are now into day 4 with this shit.
I'm dying to play with my "Friendly Common Randoms".
On Need For Speed : Hot Pursuit. I have quit the reputation Online.
^ (( PPL that constantly Play Online soooo much that we all know eachother.
Our own little niche' community. That's what makes the game so dope. ))
I thought maybe SONY would make like Jesus this Easter Holiday Weekend.
& rise from the grave within a couple of days. BTW I am a Christian.
On Need For Speed : Hot Pursuit. I have quit the reputation Online.
^ (( PPL that constantly Play Online soooo much that we all know eachother.
Our own little niche' community. That's what makes the game so dope. ))
I thought maybe SONY would make like Jesus this Easter Holiday Weekend.
& rise from the grave within a couple of days. BTW I am a Christian.
EXACTLY what Fission said. If you subscribe to PS+, then you should gt something. The regular PSN is a free, optional service. No one is required to use it, therefore I don't know why people are thinking they should get anything for free.
Also, Netflix, Hulu+ and everything else that ISN'T exclusively used on the PS3 shouldn't really count. Just because hackers got to the PSN doesn't mean every owner on Earth should get free stuff, in my opinion.
Also, Netflix, Hulu+ and everything else that ISN'T exclusively used on the PS3 shouldn't really count. Just because hackers got to the PSN doesn't mean every owner on Earth should get free stuff, in my opinion.
EXACTLY what Fission said. If you subscribe to PS+, then you should gt something. The regular PSN is a free, optional service. No one is required to use it, therefore I don't know why people are thinking they should get anything for free.
Also, Netflix, Hulu+ and everything else that ISN'T exclusively used on the PS3 shouldn't really count. Just because hackers got to the PSN doesn't mean every owner on Earth should get free stuff, in my opinion.
Also, Netflix, Hulu+ and everything else that ISN'T exclusively used on the PS3 shouldn't really count. Just because hackers got to the PSN doesn't mean every owner on Earth should get free stuff, in my opinion.
Think this about covers it...
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All you self-entitled pricks who think you deserve free games for not being able to access a free service for a couple of days need to go jump off a really tall building.
And seriously ppl, see if what you wanna do works before you just assume that it doesn't and head to the internet to bitch. You can't play online games or access the Play Station Store or the Steam Cloud, pretty much everything else works.
And seriously ppl, see if what you wanna do works before you just assume that it doesn't and head to the internet to bitch. You can't play online games or access the Play Station Store or the Steam Cloud, pretty much everything else works.
PSN+ users really need to get compensated by Sony's inadequacy to keep its network up and running. Rest of us will just keep jeering at Sony. PSN outage FTW!!!!
I agree that PS+ subscribers should get something. A couple years ago, XBL had some issues and everyone got a free XBLA game.
it was definatly anonymous... jim talks about them like they are some small time group but look them up on wikipedia or youtube... they are ready to mess with the government... it could get interesting watching these guys... p.s. i hope they go after microsoft next
Shut the hell up. You sound like a bunch selfentitled little brats. You don't pay for it, so you don't have to be compensated for your loss. I'm sure there will be something issued as a sign of good faith, but that's not the point. They're protecting your interests as well as theirs. If your that bent about go outside and play in traffic.
People I'm really sympathetic to are all those programmers, that are being called from family meetings to jump into planes and get into the office. Say whatever you want, but attacking service during easter is di*k move of massive proportions. Hopefully this will be enough of a wake up call, to force Sony into making really robust system - in terms of security, and in terms of features.
This is annoying, especially since I want to play MK9 and I have $30 in stuff on the PSN store I want to buy.
Come on people. Has your whole world been turned upside down by not having psn for a couple days? And now you want...need...to be compensated?
Stuff happens folks. Play something else. You can still play most single player games. Take a walk outside. Watch hulu tomorrow (or whenever it comes back.)
technology isn't full proof. It can disappear in an instant.
Stuff happens folks. Play something else. You can still play most single player games. Take a walk outside. Watch hulu tomorrow (or whenever it comes back.)
technology isn't full proof. It can disappear in an instant.
I'm just glad the PS3 doesn't all that many really enjoyable games. I haven't even turned mine on in 2 months. I use it as a handy netflix and blu-rayer. If SOCOM 4 had been good, or if Twisted Metal Black 2 was already out THEn I'd complain. As it is now, I'd sell my PS3 (the BC 80 GB one that came with MGS4) if anyone was willing to buy for good price. It's amazing how much better the 360 has been despite the 5 RRODs (each time I just return it for a brand new one lol)
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