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Alright, if they're telling me a longer downtime now makes this less likely in the future... ok, I'll buy that. Fair enough. How about a free PSN title when it's back up though? That'd be a nice gesture.
What I would like to understand is why Sony would have to make up for it. If your a PS+ subscriber then I understand, since its a service you are paying for and it isn't being provided. But for everyone else, me included, we pay absolutely nothing for PSN access. So why would we need any form of compensation?
Not trying to troll/flame/whatever, I'm genuinely curious as to why people think this.
Not trying to troll/flame/whatever, I'm genuinely curious as to why people think this.
My copy of Portal 2 is still unopened, I am waiting for PSN to come up so I can get it onto my PC. Mortal Kombat's single player modes are making the wait a little less painful though. Just beat the story, got about 12 more characters to beat arcade with and 250 tower challenges.
Even so, when the dust has settled I would be delighted to hear that the culprit(s) is going to prison, or getting kicked in the balls repeatedly.
Even so, when the dust has settled I would be delighted to hear that the culprit(s) is going to prison, or getting kicked in the balls repeatedly.
Nintendo would never let this happen- Every company should model their online strategies on Nintendo.
Hmm. Free PSN access was a big advertising point for ps3. So if that isn't working, even though it is free, should we get a refund? Or at least some compensation? It's like your blu ray player being down for a few days/weeks, should you be compensated if that happened? It's part of the package. Just saying for the "its free so stfu" or "you aren't entitled to shit, quit whining" assholes.
playing final fantasy 7 an um lammy jammer, a few bad apples ruins it for everyone :[. in other news geohot is on tour showcasing kinnect
I don't usually care about online multiplayer (unless it's Demon's Souls), but I am just annoyed because I can't even stream Netflix without logging into the PSN. Sure, I can do it on my Wii and my computers and my phones, but it's just not the same!! I would LOVE it if they gave a free game to us all just to make nice. :) Whoever did this is a bastard-and-a-half.
@Fission
While I dont think anyone really deserves a freebie over what is essentially extended maintenance, anything more than nothing (a free game, free avatar, free whatever) would serve for good PR and damage control.
While I dont think anyone really deserves a freebie over what is essentially extended maintenance, anything more than nothing (a free game, free avatar, free whatever) would serve for good PR and damage control.
@Fission
PSN is required to play some games, even in single player, and, as is my understanding access to, PSN is required for installs --including mandatory installs.
PSN isn't just online multiplayer. It's more than that, and without it, even single player games are inoperable. I'm not saying Sony owes anyone anything, but it's a much bigger fuck up than some realize.
PSN is required to play some games, even in single player, and, as is my understanding access to, PSN is required for installs --including mandatory installs.
PSN isn't just online multiplayer. It's more than that, and without it, even single player games are inoperable. I'm not saying Sony owes anyone anything, but it's a much bigger fuck up than some realize.
Re-building the system? I don't mind that part as long as they don't try to make any claims regarding how unhackable it is. Because if anyone makes that statement out to the public, expect some sort of crack within a few days.
By rebuild, they must mean throwing out the XMB and tossing in Cross game chat.
I don't care if they said infrastructure, these things need to be done.
Oh yeah, Browser update while you're at it.
I don't care if they said infrastructure, these things need to be done.
Oh yeah, Browser update while you're at it.
my favoritest kind of comment throughout this entire debacle has been along the line of
"IT'S FREE, SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL"
granted, I no longer own a PS3 - but man if that doesn't set me off.
"IT'S FREE, SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL"
granted, I no longer own a PS3 - but man if that doesn't set me off.
PSN is required for single player and installs? I can't speak for games from the PS Store, since I have none, but I haven't heard of or owned any boxed game that demands you to be connected to the PSN to play/install. Patching yes, but that can be opted out of when prompted (if it prompts you) Could you give me some examples please?
And to the people saying you paid for PSN access for life when you bought your PS3, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. The way I've always understood it is an extra service provided to us for free that allows us to do a bunch of things, from playing online to getting DLC and games. But since no more of our money goes towards the service (PS+ is for that, there I can see a legitimate gripe) we can't expect compensation from a few days of downtime. It sucks, no doubt, but they don't really owe us anything since we aren't paying for anything (again, except for PS+)
And to the people saying you paid for PSN access for life when you bought your PS3, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. The way I've always understood it is an extra service provided to us for free that allows us to do a bunch of things, from playing online to getting DLC and games. But since no more of our money goes towards the service (PS+ is for that, there I can see a legitimate gripe) we can't expect compensation from a few days of downtime. It sucks, no doubt, but they don't really owe us anything since we aren't paying for anything (again, except for PS+)
From what I'm reading, it appears to be an LOIC attack, which can (and did) damage PSN servers. I think their use of "rebuild" is a little crazy since they are basically restoring from backup to new hardware. Not ripping out the infrastructure to put in a new one. Once they coordinate with their ISPs and rework their firewall configs, it should be back up. I guess what I'm saying is: Don't expect cross game chat :)
They should totally give everyone something free when they get back on-line. Maybe a ps1 game or something.
@charlie von chaingun
But it is free. And its not that big of a deal, at least from what we've been told so far. If CC info of subscribers has been compromised, then yeah, its a HUGE deal.
But so far? Its just been down for like 3 days or so. I'm sure everyone can find something else to do in the interim.
But it is free. And its not that big of a deal, at least from what we've been told so far. If CC info of subscribers has been compromised, then yeah, its a HUGE deal.
But so far? Its just been down for like 3 days or so. I'm sure everyone can find something else to do in the interim.
such bullshit if they are gona release some kind of update they could have let PSN stay online while they "build" whatever theyre doing
not shut down the entire service cuz its POSSIBLE there could be a hack
sony is just fucking stupid
not shut down the entire service cuz its POSSIBLE there could be a hack
sony is just fucking stupid
Kind of reminds me how i hate dlc, and people justify it by saying "it's optional." I mean it's not like online is optional, you HAVE to have online to play video games.
It's free so stop bitching. Sony doesn't owe you anything.
It's free so stop bitching. Sony doesn't owe you anything.
Out of curiousity, are we allowed to bitch and whine and complain how unfair Sony is if they go after THESE douchebags as well?
@tvandlust
Strangely enough, title updates are working. As is Netflix if you just keep cancelling logging in. The bulk of PSN is down, but oddly enough, pockets are open.
@tvandlust
Strangely enough, title updates are working. As is Netflix if you just keep cancelling logging in. The bulk of PSN is down, but oddly enough, pockets are open.
Eesh doesn't sound too encouraging. Well whatever, it'll give me time to finish up some trophy whoring on the single player side of things that I've been meaning to do.
This is insane but as long as they can keep these stupid hackers out of our way we should be fine. Please doooooo ! I hate hackers their nithing but idiots because of one dummy 70,000,000 people are paying the price and now so is he .... Thank gawd .
WHAT ABOUT THOSE WITH NETFLIX! lol kinda wanted to watch it on my tv but i guess my laptop will do for the time being.
We all know how programming goes, good fast or cheap. Choose two. I'm hoping sony ponies up the cash and goes good and fast.
To address the point made earlier about why any compensation should be expected over something that's free, that's a good point except for three things.
1) The major selling point of Portal 2 on PS3 was the fact that it came with a free copy for PC. However, to activate that, you have to link your Steam and PSN accounts, which is impossible right now with PSN down.
2) I'm a Hulu Plus subscriber, which doesn't work without PSN. Missing my Daily Show and Colbert Report fixes. Oddly, Netflix is working fine.
3) I'm a PS+ subscriber.
So yeah, a little gesture of goodwill would be nice. I won't throw a fit and file charges or anything if I don't get one, I'd just appreciate it.
1) The major selling point of Portal 2 on PS3 was the fact that it came with a free copy for PC. However, to activate that, you have to link your Steam and PSN accounts, which is impossible right now with PSN down.
2) I'm a Hulu Plus subscriber, which doesn't work without PSN. Missing my Daily Show and Colbert Report fixes. Oddly, Netflix is working fine.
3) I'm a PS+ subscriber.
So yeah, a little gesture of goodwill would be nice. I won't throw a fit and file charges or anything if I don't get one, I'd just appreciate it.
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