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Right now I'm quite comfortable with keeping my PS3 and Wii as the main consoles for the better part of a decade, but I wonder how I'll feel about buying new consoles in 2012. And also, what a new generation console could possibly offer.
Since I am no expert, I'll leave the choice to them, since they have to do what they think is best. Although I am pretty upset about it, if it turns out to be true, because that means PS4 will not have PS3 compatibility.
Wow, this would almost, you know, VALIDATE the things that stupid doo-doo fatty head Gabe Newell said about energy and resources spent on learning to develop for the cell processor being a waste because moving forward it wouldn't be an architecture people bother using. This isn't confirmed, so this might still not be the case, but I hope this gives some of the more close-minded among us some perspective.
I have a feeling Sony learned the downside to pseudo-proprietary hardware: paying out the nose for it, akin to what happened to Microsoft with its contract for original Xbox harddrives.
I don't see how this could negatively effect anyone, so I say more power to'em.
I have a feeling Sony learned the downside to pseudo-proprietary hardware: paying out the nose for it, akin to what happened to Microsoft with its contract for original Xbox harddrives.
I don't see how this could negatively effect anyone, so I say more power to'em.
no surprise here.
when your platform is pretty much universally known to be more difficult to program for than the competition, it's time to rethink your approach.
can't wait for the next gen consoles, so PC games will stop being gimped to accommodate for out of date console hardware.
when your platform is pretty much universally known to be more difficult to program for than the competition, it's time to rethink your approach.
can't wait for the next gen consoles, so PC games will stop being gimped to accommodate for out of date console hardware.
This is a great idea, the cell processor meant that the PS3 had its own, confusing API developers had to learn to code for it, whereas the 360 had an API almost identical to a PCs. This meant that many games developed or ported to the PS3 never really took advantage of the Cell processor, or just the console in general, resulting in shitty optimization and performance. By adopting a more traditional approach, the next generation of console games for the PS4 should be far easier to code, which should result in more ports and games. Plus, the cell processor really isn't that powerful, a regular desktop processor right now could easily beat it.
Well, if they use more accessible technology next time around then one can hope that the launch price would be more reasonable.
As much as people bitch about proprietary hardware, that is also part of what I really like about the PlayStation brand since the beginning. They never have been simply a PC for the living room. They have always been a little different so that programmers that take the time can do some crazy stuff with it.
Look at the PS2. A 333 MHz processor with 32 MB of RAM and 4 MB of video RAM. Find a PC with specs that low that can play games that look like MGS2/3 or Gran Turismo 4. When you factor in the fact that it is a 128 bit processor with some really unique memory management under the hood, devs that can think outside the box can get some amazing stuff out of it.
Even the PS1 was unique with its 3-D Graphics Engine (3DGE). PCs barely had dedicated graphics at that time. This allowed for some amazing graphics at the time.
I think with the PS3 they were planning on using the Cell to some unique stuff, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to give them a worthwhile advantage. I still would like to see them try in the future instead of putting a glorified PC in my living room...
Look at the PS2. A 333 MHz processor with 32 MB of RAM and 4 MB of video RAM. Find a PC with specs that low that can play games that look like MGS2/3 or Gran Turismo 4. When you factor in the fact that it is a 128 bit processor with some really unique memory management under the hood, devs that can think outside the box can get some amazing stuff out of it.
Even the PS1 was unique with its 3-D Graphics Engine (3DGE). PCs barely had dedicated graphics at that time. This allowed for some amazing graphics at the time.
I think with the PS3 they were planning on using the Cell to some unique stuff, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to give them a worthwhile advantage. I still would like to see them try in the future instead of putting a glorified PC in my living room...
The PS4 will probably avoid all the mistakes that Sony made with the PS3. Sony just got too arrogant and I think they've learned a lot. The 360 has trumped Sony and I don't think they will ever catch up to the 360. Oh and I don't own a 360 just a PS3 so it'snoyt like I'm biased. i'm sure that if they do release a PS4 that it will likely have a longer life cycle programmed into it and you can bet it will have backwards compatibility as well. I think Sony learned that the older games would have boosted them above the 360. It's too late now, they can't unsay the things they've said but the PS4 will likely play PS1, PS2, PS3 as well as PS4 games and most likely will have a very strong setup to use DLC. I'd expect that the PS3mote will probably play a big role in marketing the PS4. Cost is always going to be a factor and no idea how they will overcome that. I just hope it will be a true HD gaming platform that is 1080p and hopefully they will find a way to upconvert older games to look ok through their new processor.
ps3 will still be goin long after the new 360/720 garbage comes out. which by the way will most likely either go digital or blue ray. personally im not into the digital crap. i like my hard copies. i know i own them and can take them anywhere. unlike digital crap that stays on your system that you cant transfer and bring the games to a friends house.
either way i dont care, cause im still gonna be playing video games no matter what kind of systems these companies come out with.
either way i dont care, cause im still gonna be playing video games no matter what kind of systems these companies come out with.
@Evergreen: There are no 128 bit processors that I know of. Some processors have some 128 bit registers and multimedia instructions to work on those (like MMX and SSE on x86 CPUs) but that's about it.
And the PS1 GPU was only good compared to other consoles of the time. Contemporary PCs were powerful enough to output the same or better graphics quality at higher resolutions all in software without needing hardware acceleration. Just look at some multiplaform games of the time, like Tomb Raider or Resident Evil to see the differences.
And the PS1 GPU was only good compared to other consoles of the time. Contemporary PCs were powerful enough to output the same or better graphics quality at higher resolutions all in software without needing hardware acceleration. Just look at some multiplaform games of the time, like Tomb Raider or Resident Evil to see the differences.
Off course they will not catch up to the 360.The 360 had a year start before ps3.Now either Sony wants to make it easier for developers with PS4 (in my books not easier,get them lazy and not really evolve their skills... and to think that we pay a lot for each game)OR Sony wants to reduce the production cost of their next console so that the price would be acceptable to the public(thus removing CELL)without losing profits
IBM cancelled the cell project, so they really have no choice
also, i think they learned that despite the huge possibilities the cell processor offers, the chip architecture was so weird that the only developers who took full advantage of it were their first party developers. What Sony should have done was open up a few studios of people who understand the PS3 architecture dedicated to doing proper PS3 ports. Also, they should have bought off a few top developers to say bad things about the competition like Microsoft did with Epic and Valve.
PS4 is going to be more like the XBox, as in more like a regular PC. Of course, they're Sony so they're probably going to throw in some sort of unusual technology to impress us with. Probably dual quad cores overclocked to 5 ghz or something.
also, i think they learned that despite the huge possibilities the cell processor offers, the chip architecture was so weird that the only developers who took full advantage of it were their first party developers. What Sony should have done was open up a few studios of people who understand the PS3 architecture dedicated to doing proper PS3 ports. Also, they should have bought off a few top developers to say bad things about the competition like Microsoft did with Epic and Valve.
PS4 is going to be more like the XBox, as in more like a regular PC. Of course, they're Sony so they're probably going to throw in some sort of unusual technology to impress us with. Probably dual quad cores overclocked to 5 ghz or something.
I'm sure the PS4 will have stuff inside that will make multiplatform games look the same as on the competitor console, regardless of specs. So... don't really care until we get prices for both next-gen consoles. This generation has shown more than ever that you can just as well skip a console and pick up a new SKU with all the worthy exclusives for less than launch price, 3 years later.
PS5 will have teeny tiny asian people who [url='http://www.videosift.com/video/These-South-Korean-Soccer-Fans-are-Amazing'] flash poster boards like leds[/url].
Fuck. 2012? It feels like I just got my PS3.
I'm not buying this if they don't have PS3 backwards compatibility. Hell, if good games keep coming out for PS3 I might not buy it at all.
I'm not buying this if they don't have PS3 backwards compatibility. Hell, if good games keep coming out for PS3 I might not buy it at all.
@ Evergreen- Has it ever occurred to you that the PS2 games graphics were purposely lowered to run it on the system? Developers always end up doing that for consoles; they're doing it right now as well. Have you ever compared a screenshot of a console game to its PC counterpart? Try doing it with Modern Warfare 2. The console version looks like crap, no anti-aliasing, low resolution textures, etc. And for your info, EVERY CONSOLE THAT HAS EVER EXISTED IS A GLORIFIED PC.
Yeah, the PS4 is still quite a ways away, I'd assume. In fact, the only console that's going to need an upgrade soon is the Wii, now that HD has taken over the world.
I'm starting to get a bit excited over what we might see in the next generation of consoles. Hopefully we'll see the next Nintendo handheld the coming year, or the year after.
As someone else said, Sony doesn't really have a choice. IBM killed the cell technology recently. I'm worried about the PS4 being backwards compatible with the PS3.
@evergreen
You do realize that a PS2 didn't have to run windows, an operating system that was always running whatever you did, and had to be made to run on a variety of hardware, right?
If you look at computers of the time, once you factor in the processing power used to run the OS and system tasks, were doing just as much, if not more, than the consoles of the era.
You do realize that a PS2 didn't have to run windows, an operating system that was always running whatever you did, and had to be made to run on a variety of hardware, right?
If you look at computers of the time, once you factor in the processing power used to run the OS and system tasks, were doing just as much, if not more, than the consoles of the era.
I'm with Matt when it comes to technology but I do know that developers were bitching hardcore about the Cell so if they can't just make a new one that addresses those issue getting rid of it altogether doesn't surprise me. Looks like the Cell isn't so "futureproof" after all, eh Sony?
Aw, well. At least Blu-Ray took off.
Aw, well. At least Blu-Ray took off.
does this mean that the ps3 will be treated like the ps2 after once the ps4 releases. its just there to keep its ten year cycle promise and they just feed it random crappy games. and its only been 3 yrs by now i think. would they really release another console so soon??
Then technically, Gabe Newell was right all along. Time for me to have a laugh.
Seriously though, as much as I want a PS3, I'm sick of all the PS3 fanboys clamoring about Cell like it was the second coming of Christ. Sony finally listened to the developers and might start making their consoles easier to develop for.
Seriously though, as much as I want a PS3, I'm sick of all the PS3 fanboys clamoring about Cell like it was the second coming of Christ. Sony finally listened to the developers and might start making their consoles easier to develop for.
@Malachi Constant: @Oncomouse: You are wrong. IBM didn't kill the Cell. It was false info that nobody bothered to check until it was spread all over the internets.
@Evergreen:
right, playstation not being a glorified computer in the living room. completely contradictory to your fluffy view is the ps3 which uses a dumbed down internet broswer and claims to be a media hub in all (failed) efforts to get rid of your pc.
@Noctis:
you really don't know how games are made don't you? making the architexture harder to program for does not lead to more complex, pushing-the-edge games. and not programming for it does not make you lazy, just sane. if i wanted to get from one end of the room to the other, putting in a maze in between doesn't make the task any more advanced - i just have a fucking maze to go through that makes the task needlessly longer. you just bought into the hype that the cell would bring in "b3yond" gaming when it was all a lie and don't want to admit that gabe newell was right all along at the same time failing to see that all sony wanted out of the cell was to secure exclusivity with 3rd parties (failed) and as an anti-piracy measure.
right, playstation not being a glorified computer in the living room. completely contradictory to your fluffy view is the ps3 which uses a dumbed down internet broswer and claims to be a media hub in all (failed) efforts to get rid of your pc.
@Noctis:
you really don't know how games are made don't you? making the architexture harder to program for does not lead to more complex, pushing-the-edge games. and not programming for it does not make you lazy, just sane. if i wanted to get from one end of the room to the other, putting in a maze in between doesn't make the task any more advanced - i just have a fucking maze to go through that makes the task needlessly longer. you just bought into the hype that the cell would bring in "b3yond" gaming when it was all a lie and don't want to admit that gabe newell was right all along at the same time failing to see that all sony wanted out of the cell was to secure exclusivity with 3rd parties (failed) and as an anti-piracy measure.
Nice to see Sony waking up and smelling the coffee at last. Sony doing their console chips got old ages ago. This kind of arrogance cost them with PS3, and its never recovered from it, whatever small successes it may have had.
Seems Sony are atleast asking devs what they want from working on a console. Make it more like PC and they will come. Will it save Sony next time? We'll have to wait and see.
Seems Sony are atleast asking devs what they want from working on a console. Make it more like PC and they will come. Will it save Sony next time? We'll have to wait and see.
@Narishma - Resident Evil for the PC was accelerated, and required a particular 3D accelerator.
I wonder what this is going to do to backwards compatibility. Sony really shot their foot of with the last iteration. Are they not even going to promise it this time, or are they going to embed cell anyway?
I wonder what this is going to do to backwards compatibility. Sony really shot their foot of with the last iteration. Are they not even going to promise it this time, or are they going to embed cell anyway?
One thing I never could stand about living in Santa Clara, all the goddamn fanboys....
FWIW, IBM is basically taking the Cell concepts to a new product line [url]http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/ibm-to-kill-off-ps3-cell-processor--653535]as outlined here[/url].. so Cell itself is basically fathering new tech ideas. I'd wager PS4 will have a Cell-that-is-not-a-Cell processor of some sort in.
FWIW, IBM is basically taking the Cell concepts to a new product line [url]http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/ibm-to-kill-off-ps3-cell-processor--653535]as outlined here[/url].. so Cell itself is basically fathering new tech ideas. I'd wager PS4 will have a Cell-that-is-not-a-Cell processor of some sort in.
oh FFS, bbcode fail.
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/ibm-to-kill-off-ps3-cell-processor--653535
there. there's the link. *facepalm*
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/ibm-to-kill-off-ps3-cell-processor--653535
there. there's the link. *facepalm*
Each new console generation gets a new chipset anyways. But its kinda sad this time around for some reason?
I have a PC a PS3 , Xbox 360 and a WII and they all have thier functions but as far as gaming I am more than happy with my consoles and I find all this my pc/console is better than your console rather silly.Each machine full fills its function just fine.
Microsoft's ace in the hole with the Xbox & Xbox 360 was that most video games are developed on PCs (thanks to Microsoft's ability to monopolize the computer & software market). It was an easy transition from making PC games (which once dominated the home video game market) to making games for the Xbox consoles. Xbox consoles are essentially PCs build for gaming. Sony was brave to introduce the Cell Processor but they should have learned a lesson from their failed Betamax. Superior format needs to be supported to be valuable.
The original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 but the PS2 already had a proven reputation and a huge library of games. Developers backed the PS2 and were unsure of Microsoft's excursion into the home video game market. Come time of the Xbox 360 and PS3 the situation had reversed where developers were unsure of the PS3 and were already quite comfortable making games for the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 built a big library of games while the PS3 struggles to catch up. Now finally the PS3 seems to be holding it's own if not creating an edge over the Xbox 360 but not after a considerable loss for Sony in a market they once dominated. Some dragons you just can't slay and as long as games are easily made on PCs Sony is going to have to make future video game architecture compliant.
The original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 but the PS2 already had a proven reputation and a huge library of games. Developers backed the PS2 and were unsure of Microsoft's excursion into the home video game market. Come time of the Xbox 360 and PS3 the situation had reversed where developers were unsure of the PS3 and were already quite comfortable making games for the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 built a big library of games while the PS3 struggles to catch up. Now finally the PS3 seems to be holding it's own if not creating an edge over the Xbox 360 but not after a considerable loss for Sony in a market they once dominated. Some dragons you just can't slay and as long as games are easily made on PCs Sony is going to have to make future video game architecture compliant.
This if true = nothing but good things for PS4. Also eff yeah for the 2012 release. I want at least another 2 solid years of ps3 gaming. Buying new hardware is such a pain.
The cell processing unit is brilliant for exclusive games, but as we've seen in recent ports (ahem Dragon Age cough cough), multiplatform games don't tend to fare too well.
The PS3 on the whole was an amazing clusterfuck on Sony's behalf, since nearly every component has a crucial flaw that slaughters what would be an otherwise incredibly powerful console. The Cell was a huge mistake, since it is just not worth the hassle, and when the other parts of the console are hugely behind it in terms of performance (like the locked 256/256 RAM, and the nVidia 7-series equivelant GPU) and other technologies that aren't quite ready yet (bluray being much slower, causing higher read times and forced installs).
I'm not saying that nothing good can come out of it, because look at Uncharted 2 or Demons Souls. I'm just in agreement with Gabe Newell, they took the wrong approach with the hardware and many people just aren't willing to jump the hurdles that they are given to be presented with a console that isn't as powerful as you'd think.
I'm not saying that nothing good can come out of it, because look at Uncharted 2 or Demons Souls. I'm just in agreement with Gabe Newell, they took the wrong approach with the hardware and many people just aren't willing to jump the hurdles that they are given to be presented with a console that isn't as powerful as you'd think.
@ karooo " too many 360 fanboys in this site, I guess no decent exclusive games for 2009 can do that to people " right anyone who says anything other than gobbeling sounds whilest brushing their teeth with sonys cock, is clearly a xbox fan boy. Could it maybe be that they simply aren't in denial about reality ?_?
honestly I heard they were making changes too the cell but abandoning it, doubt that, sonys not the conforming type.
besides easier doesn't mean better , after spending a year with games like killzone 2, demons souls, and uncharted 2 Im still waiting for the 360 to cough up a game of half the quality as those and it seems i'll be waiting a while, I think people have forgotten that those hard roads exist for a reason, because the easy roads won't churn out anywhere near the same results.
so yeah this is definitely a rumour with little backing.
besides easier doesn't mean better , after spending a year with games like killzone 2, demons souls, and uncharted 2 Im still waiting for the 360 to cough up a game of half the quality as those and it seems i'll be waiting a while, I think people have forgotten that those hard roads exist for a reason, because the easy roads won't churn out anywhere near the same results.
so yeah this is definitely a rumour with little backing.
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