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...and if you swing your arm, you can move the camera!!!!
give me a giant touchscreen for my RTS not a wand
give me a giant touchscreen for my RTS not a wand
Yup, that's totally what generals do, they point at stuff with a dildo attached to an analog stick and waggle around... *facepalm*
I read the title. I read what you quoted. I read the source in it's entirety. I read the comments in the source. And I'm confused about how someone could come to that conclusion. Utterly baffled.
Actually jim only one guy is saying that Move may be better than Keyboard and mouses not the whole company.
Still i kinda find it hard to understand what he is saying here.
Still i kinda find it hard to understand what he is saying here.
It's fun for publicists to talk nonsense. Just last week we no longer needed mice because Apple released a track pad. Anything to catch the users attention.
Simple fact remains, if a game is built around using the Move's unique functionality then I have no doubts the controls will be a success. However, if said developer goes about shoe horning Move controls into an existing game (genre) then it'll be sloppy and cumbersome at best.
Microsoft, I'm now looking at you for a rebuttal on how flailing your body around Kinect is the only true way to play backgammon.
Simple fact remains, if a game is built around using the Move's unique functionality then I have no doubts the controls will be a success. However, if said developer goes about shoe horning Move controls into an existing game (genre) then it'll be sloppy and cumbersome at best.
Microsoft, I'm now looking at you for a rebuttal on how flailing your body around Kinect is the only true way to play backgammon.
Consoles can do RTS better than computer?
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
This guy should do standup!
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This guy should do standup!
why always the argument on whats the better input interface is. Some people like controllers and some like mouse and keyboard. Who cares enough to argue about it, let alone make it a selling point.
I really do wish I had a list of all of the promises gaming PR has managed to pump out through the years.
I kinda agree with Indiana Jones on this.
How long have we been using M/K set ups, I guess touch came out and perhaps this is in the same realm. I know that even using my drawing pad instead of my mouse is pretty fun to do in games.
How long have we been using M/K set ups, I guess touch came out and perhaps this is in the same realm. I know that even using my drawing pad instead of my mouse is pretty fun to do in games.
I was waiting for this post ever since I saw the kids on GameTrailers arguing about this. This is gonna be good.
I believe it.
Simple controller controls are antiquated and out of date.
Let's all 'move' along to the new kinect and Move controllers. Because, obviously if it's new then it must be better!
Simple controller controls are antiquated and out of date.
Let's all 'move' along to the new kinect and Move controllers. Because, obviously if it's new then it must be better!
Could the title of this be any worse?
Also, why would I listen to Sony? They're trying to sell this thing to me.. they'll tell me it's better to eat with eggs then bacon is if they have to.
Stupid.
Also, why would I listen to Sony? They're trying to sell this thing to me.. they'll tell me it's better to eat with eggs then bacon is if they have to.
Stupid.
End War and Red Alert 3 have this weird fact in common with one another, they're both atrociously bad RTS's :)
Mouse/Keyboard for life. If they were really obsolete and motion controllers were superior, then wouldn't an ideal version of Kinect be what we need? Then you'd be able to select units with your fingers and not some ridiculous controller.
PS3 can do RTS games, whether they're any good though is up for you to decide. Personally I think they're absolutely horrid compared to such titles as Company of Heroes, Empire: Total War or the recent Star Craft 2 which as far as I'm aware are specifically PC only titles.
For the time being the platform of choice for RTS's is the PC, whether I'd want to believe the pr of a company who's hardware has never featured a strong RTS lineup is questionable.
I'd like to be proven wrong, however. So time will tell.
For the time being the platform of choice for RTS's is the PC, whether I'd want to believe the pr of a company who's hardware has never featured a strong RTS lineup is questionable.
I'd like to be proven wrong, however. So time will tell.
Actually I think that RTS games would be better with the Move controller... certainly better than the current controller, though maybe not as good as kb/m.
Another British tabloid headline from Jim Sterling. Still, the story was interesting, and Sterling mostly kept his bitterness to himself. The guy in the interview said some things that I hope are true, as they could effectively expand what types of games we can play on consoles. If an RTS is tailored to motion controls, then I could see it being a viable way to play. I hope so, anyway. I'm always in favor of more options.
Um, but what about all my keyboard shortcuts? 102/105 keys to put shortcuts on compressed to what 8? 9?
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Just quit it.
Nothing is going to be more accurate and responsive as a mouse and keyboard setup. It was created a long time ago, but every year it's updated with even MORE accuracy and comfort.
Put a group of pro console players against regular PC players and see who wins any FPS match (Console players need to turn off the aim helper, btw)
Also, "Top Down" RTS's would be extremely boring.
Nothing is going to be more accurate and responsive as a mouse and keyboard setup. It was created a long time ago, but every year it's updated with even MORE accuracy and comfort.
Put a group of pro console players against regular PC players and see who wins any FPS match (Console players need to turn off the aim helper, btw)
Also, "Top Down" RTS's would be extremely boring.
What a load of bullshit that guy's spewing.
Also, like garethxxgod said, does the PS3 even have any RTS titles?
Also, like garethxxgod said, does the PS3 even have any RTS titles?
haha look at all the destructoid community so ignorant of games on consoles. uh duhh there are rts on every platform. On topic i think move could work really well with an rts game. I hate using pc for gaming and would love to see some rts with move support. I do not think kinect would work well, i do not want to point with my finger to control my troops.
@Blitzard
Hey, man, you're right, now that I think about it. The PS3 actually doesn't have any RTS games tailored to the Move system.
Of course, that's mainly because the Move system hasn't yet been released. Yeah, I think that's a good reason.
I mean, seriously ..
Hey, man, you're right, now that I think about it. The PS3 actually doesn't have any RTS games tailored to the Move system.
Of course, that's mainly because the Move system hasn't yet been released. Yeah, I think that's a good reason.
I mean, seriously ..
People used to say that FPS games belonged on the PC. You guessed right now what happened to that ideal.
Even if things like the Move or Kinect are not going to replace the mouse, something else will.
RTS games, hell, even modding (UT3), web browsing, video sharing, etc will move on to the consoles. It only takes time.
Even if things like the Move or Kinect are not going to replace the mouse, something else will.
RTS games, hell, even modding (UT3), web browsing, video sharing, etc will move on to the consoles. It only takes time.
I never understood the "precision" of a mouse and keyboard for anything BUT RTS. I can play FPSs much easier with the Wii Remote. Hell, I can play them much better with dual-sticks. Same with those overhead shooters that are so popular now.
I think they're also discounting the fact that one of the benefits of the mouse and keyboard setup is that the keyboard allows you like fifty buttons, as opposed to Move's handful.
I'll certainly believe it's better for FPSes than the mouse (because the Wii is, in my opinion), but RTSes? Not so sure...
I actually loved playing an RTS in a multitouch setting, and I can't stand it in just about any other form, even the holy mouse and keyboard. Move and the Wii remote get closer to that than anything else I've seen so I'm going to go ahead and agree with Jim on this one.
Wiimote and FPS was pretty awesome, too, and I tend to hate FPS.
Wiimote and FPS was pretty awesome, too, and I tend to hate FPS.
I can't see myself playing C&C, Rise of Nations, or even Total war without units 0-9. Console controls, even move, just don't allow for the micromanagement of units that RTS games call for.
@pokota
Goodjob being a smartass. What I meant was: "does the PS3 have any RTS's right now?" I don't have a PS3 therefore I was just wondering? Why the need to be an asshole about it? Good God.
Either way, just by reading the article, you can see how vague Mr. Marks sounds about all of this. It sounds to me like he doesn't even really know what he's talking about. That's what I think anyway.
Goodjob being a smartass. What I meant was: "does the PS3 have any RTS's right now?" I don't have a PS3 therefore I was just wondering? Why the need to be an asshole about it? Good God.
Either way, just by reading the article, you can see how vague Mr. Marks sounds about all of this. It sounds to me like he doesn't even really know what he's talking about. That's what I think anyway.
Well, just as long as Move doesn't work TOO much better than the keyboard and mouse.
We wouldn't want it to feel like we're cheating, eh Jim?
We wouldn't want it to feel like we're cheating, eh Jim?
@ Blitzard
lol We will see 1 months ! R.U.S.E got Move support !!!!
And R.U.S.E will be like the article say. If you didnt played it on PC. R.U.S.E is a world war 2 strategy game. And you zoom out the camera, you see the map as a General. You see your room and assistant on computer. And your army look like little soldier figurine ( Like WW2 movies )
I LOVED the game on PC with the free week-end. Starcraft 2 is clearly more deep and fun when you understand the basic.
But R.U.S.E look more like a Defense/tower game too me. It's more fast and easy to play. Starcraft2 is better, but more complicated.
In resume, we will see in 1 month !!!
I seriously think that R.U.S.E move version will have a better rating then the PC or normal version. R.U.S.E look like natural fit for this game. You will maybe have the feel of being a general in WW2. ( But i see it more, like a laser pointer xD anyway )
By the way, R.U.S.E will be playing with 1 PS Move and your normal PS3 controler or ( the 30$ Nav. controller ( the nunchuck ))
lol We will see 1 months ! R.U.S.E got Move support !!!!
And R.U.S.E will be like the article say. If you didnt played it on PC. R.U.S.E is a world war 2 strategy game. And you zoom out the camera, you see the map as a General. You see your room and assistant on computer. And your army look like little soldier figurine ( Like WW2 movies )
I LOVED the game on PC with the free week-end. Starcraft 2 is clearly more deep and fun when you understand the basic.
But R.U.S.E look more like a Defense/tower game too me. It's more fast and easy to play. Starcraft2 is better, but more complicated.
In resume, we will see in 1 month !!!
I seriously think that R.U.S.E move version will have a better rating then the PC or normal version. R.U.S.E look like natural fit for this game. You will maybe have the feel of being a general in WW2. ( But i see it more, like a laser pointer xD anyway )
By the way, R.U.S.E will be playing with 1 PS Move and your normal PS3 controler or ( the 30$ Nav. controller ( the nunchuck ))
"I'll believe it when I see it, that's all I'm saying."
Then see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uF_fasPphc#t=2m22s
Then see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uF_fasPphc#t=2m22s
I don't think using move for a long time with rts's is very comfortable since you have to move your whole arm all the time and not just your hand it will also never be as accurate as a mouse simply because humans are not as accurate when moving there arm in the air then moving on a flat surface. the lack of buttons is also a big negative but it is good enough to play an rts
He has a point in the 3D argument,RTS games today in 3D do not actually need the 3rd dimension for anything else then bling. It would make a diference if units could be hid in the bushes or below the trees so u'd actually had to move your camera to be able to spot specific enemy units,traps,ambushes,perhaps even hidden bunkers or that kind of thing....
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