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I remember when the 360 first debuted, and at that point, the PS2 had reached its prime in terms of what people could do with the technology of the system (such as God of War II and Final Fantasy XII), and some of those latter-end titles actually gave the 360 some decent competition in terms of visuals until developers finally became familiar with the new hardware.
The problem with the Wii U is that it doesn't seem anywhere near the technical leap that occurred between Playstation 2 to Xbox 360, and by the time developers do realize how to create games that have an apparent technological advantage over current-generation games, the next iteration of Microsoft and Sony hardware will likely be soon to arrive with truly "next-gen" capable technology. Nintendo just seems incredibly uninterested in future-proofing systems at this time, which is incredibly unfortunate.
The problem with the Wii U is that it doesn't seem anywhere near the technical leap that occurred between Playstation 2 to Xbox 360, and by the time developers do realize how to create games that have an apparent technological advantage over current-generation games, the next iteration of Microsoft and Sony hardware will likely be soon to arrive with truly "next-gen" capable technology. Nintendo just seems incredibly uninterested in future-proofing systems at this time, which is incredibly unfortunate.
@Sanious
but the point is, Sony/Microsoft/Pc set the current trend for what's popular with gamers. Graphical update sure but they also did it because Wii sales were waning in the here and now and the interest have shifted to those core machines.
It's still a "me too" situation by Nintendo because they wouldn't have put emphasis on being able to bring those same experience to a Nintendo machine.
but the point is, Sony/Microsoft/Pc set the current trend for what's popular with gamers. Graphical update sure but they also did it because Wii sales were waning in the here and now and the interest have shifted to those core machines.
It's still a "me too" situation by Nintendo because they wouldn't have put emphasis on being able to bring those same experience to a Nintendo machine.
Sony 2006: "The next generation doesn't start until we say it does,"
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This is good news. I waited years to get the PS3, and coincidentally, I bought my PS3 this past Saturday. I waited until it had a strong library to buy it, and I am not disappointed a single bit. I think the PS3 has a much brighter future ahead of it.
yeah, let's forget the fact that Wii Us custom made GPU is capable of handling native 1080p from the get-go, is DX10.1 enabled card, has 1GB of ram(rumored), supports Shader Model 4.1(compared to 3.0 of 360 and even older version in ps3) and not to mention the fact that some of the features that AMD confirmed came from newer versions of their Radeon cards.
that's so fuckin totally like ps3 and 360...OH WAIT
that's so fuckin totally like ps3 and 360...OH WAIT
Even though I think Tretton's right here I'd bet we'll start hearing news of the PS4 as early as next E3. After this years E3 there's no reason to rush though.
Doesn't sound like Microsoft has anything besides Forza, Halo, and some Kinect mini games for 2011. No sign of the next litterbox. And besides the fact Wii U will see some of the same titles the PS3 will the only reason (I saw) to buy one is Zelda in HD.
That will probably sell me a Wii U, but unless the big N makes it cheap enough for mom and dad to drop it into their cart without thinking about it during the weekly trip to Wally Mart the way they did with the Wii I'm probably in the minority.
Doesn't sound like Microsoft has anything besides Forza, Halo, and some Kinect mini games for 2011. No sign of the next litterbox. And besides the fact Wii U will see some of the same titles the PS3 will the only reason (I saw) to buy one is Zelda in HD.
That will probably sell me a Wii U, but unless the big N makes it cheap enough for mom and dad to drop it into their cart without thinking about it during the weekly trip to Wally Mart the way they did with the Wii I'm probably in the minority.
i love how Pokota keep insisting on calling Wii Us GPU as last gen - let's face the facts, shall we?
the card debuted in the second half of 2009.
heavilly modified RV770 chip that Nintendo is using with Wii U was the most powerful chip from 4000 series and is still considered one of the best on the market. that GPU still has 4x better hardware specs than RSX(which was basically dumbed down version of GF 7800GTX).
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=310&card2=566 - let's see actual 7800GTX(which is more powerful than RSX) vs Radeon 4850 which actually is weaker than GPU used in Wii U.
the card debuted in the second half of 2009.
heavilly modified RV770 chip that Nintendo is using with Wii U was the most powerful chip from 4000 series and is still considered one of the best on the market. that GPU still has 4x better hardware specs than RSX(which was basically dumbed down version of GF 7800GTX).
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=310&card2=566 - let's see actual 7800GTX(which is more powerful than RSX) vs Radeon 4850 which actually is weaker than GPU used in Wii U.
@sofik88
This is getting ridiculous. I call it last gen because it is, no other reason. It's what everyone else calls it, as well. No one AT ALL disputes that it's more powerful than what's in the 360 or PS3, because it would be absolutely insane if it wasn't.
However, you telling us that anything from the 4000 series is "one of the best on the market" when you can grab something from the 6000 series for cheap is just silly. Also, you telling us the RV770 is from "the second half of 2009" is just dishonest. Normally, I would consider it a meaningless detail, but your exaggerations annoy me.
"The Radeon R700 is the engineering codename for a graphics processing unit series developed by Advanced Micro Devices under the ATI brand name. The foundation chip, codenamed RV770, was announced and demonstrated on June 16, 2008 as part of the FireStream 9250 and Cinema 2.0 initiative launch media event,[4] with official release of the HD4800 series on June 25, 2008." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_4000_series
Seriously, stop making stuff up off the top of your head. It ruins your own arguments.
This is getting ridiculous. I call it last gen because it is, no other reason. It's what everyone else calls it, as well. No one AT ALL disputes that it's more powerful than what's in the 360 or PS3, because it would be absolutely insane if it wasn't.
However, you telling us that anything from the 4000 series is "one of the best on the market" when you can grab something from the 6000 series for cheap is just silly. Also, you telling us the RV770 is from "the second half of 2009" is just dishonest. Normally, I would consider it a meaningless detail, but your exaggerations annoy me.
"The Radeon R700 is the engineering codename for a graphics processing unit series developed by Advanced Micro Devices under the ATI brand name. The foundation chip, codenamed RV770, was announced and demonstrated on June 16, 2008 as part of the FireStream 9250 and Cinema 2.0 initiative launch media event,[4] with official release of the HD4800 series on June 25, 2008." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_4000_series
Seriously, stop making stuff up off the top of your head. It ruins your own arguments.
I'm gonna say it: That PS4 toaster looks more like something Nintendo would make.
As for what the article said, lets be honest here, I don't think Microsoft or Sony are that worried at all, or really have a right to be until they (and we) see that Nintendo is actually making good on anything they're talking about with the Wii U..
Sony knows after the PSN hackings that their fans are there and will stick by them and the internet is always abuzz with both companies fanboys fighting with each other over who's the best. Considering that theres still no real evidence that the new Nintendo console will be any more powerful then a 360, theres no real reason to push out a better console when Sony's already got better then that out there.
And I truely believe in my heart of hearts, that even if the Wii U is a better console hardware-wise then either of it's competitors, that most people still really won't bother to switch over, only maybe buying the console still just to play the Nintendo made exclusives. This is because theres still way to many things that are really very foggy when it comes to Nintendo's whole plan (the REAL story of its online functionality, whether it'll have some sort of trophy/achievement like rewards ect) that players are looking for that Nintendo hasn't mentioned, that they don't traditionally provide(and said, at least before, that they wouldn't -like achievements) -and that sort of shit is a big deal to many players. And considering that Nintendo hasn't really impressed anyone by either the Wii, the DS' or the 3DS' handling of the internet (or even their UI's) theres no reason to think the Wii U will floor anyone while its still so much in the dark.
As for what the article said, lets be honest here, I don't think Microsoft or Sony are that worried at all, or really have a right to be until they (and we) see that Nintendo is actually making good on anything they're talking about with the Wii U..
Sony knows after the PSN hackings that their fans are there and will stick by them and the internet is always abuzz with both companies fanboys fighting with each other over who's the best. Considering that theres still no real evidence that the new Nintendo console will be any more powerful then a 360, theres no real reason to push out a better console when Sony's already got better then that out there.
And I truely believe in my heart of hearts, that even if the Wii U is a better console hardware-wise then either of it's competitors, that most people still really won't bother to switch over, only maybe buying the console still just to play the Nintendo made exclusives. This is because theres still way to many things that are really very foggy when it comes to Nintendo's whole plan (the REAL story of its online functionality, whether it'll have some sort of trophy/achievement like rewards ect) that players are looking for that Nintendo hasn't mentioned, that they don't traditionally provide(and said, at least before, that they wouldn't -like achievements) -and that sort of shit is a big deal to many players. And considering that Nintendo hasn't really impressed anyone by either the Wii, the DS' or the 3DS' handling of the internet (or even their UI's) theres no reason to think the Wii U will floor anyone while its still so much in the dark.
Jack Tretton spouts BS, Sony faithful *lol* parrot him verbatim and defend his shoddy PR spin.
Damage control: It can only get better
Damage control: It can only get better
"What we’ve seen from the competition is trying to add features that already exist in PlayStation 3."
PlayStation Move. That is all.
PlayStation Move. That is all.
@Dv8thwonder
"Reggie Fil-aime spouts BS, Nintendo faithful *lol* parrot him verbatim and defend his shoddy PR spin.
Damage control: It can only get better"
You see, it really does work both ways and in some cases even more true when it comes to that companies promises over time.
I'm not even defending Sony here, just pointing out rickety, leaky, arguments.
Also, you can plug Iwata in there if you want depending who's saying what, in whichever office -pretty much any company has a ton of voices, you could plug Kaz in your comment if you want too.
"Reggie Fil-aime spouts BS, Nintendo faithful *lol* parrot him verbatim and defend his shoddy PR spin.
Damage control: It can only get better"
You see, it really does work both ways and in some cases even more true when it comes to that companies promises over time.
I'm not even defending Sony here, just pointing out rickety, leaky, arguments.
Also, you can plug Iwata in there if you want depending who's saying what, in whichever office -pretty much any company has a ton of voices, you could plug Kaz in your comment if you want too.
"I didn’t see anything about Nintendo’s announcement that said 'Oh, we’d better get working on rolling out a new PlayStation here pretty soon.'" said Tretton.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
If your on the fence about building a pc, do it now, just built a crucial i5 pc for under 600,might seem steep upfront but definetly worth it graphics and lower prices on games, come back when the consoles update to direct x 11
Our problem is that our generation is a hardware-focused generation, there's no focus on software. That's why there are so few quality games today. We have powerful gear with no software (games) capable of exploit it entirely.
We should demand better software, not better hardware.
We should demand better software, not better hardware.
SCEA's just waiting to receive the final dev kit of the wiiU to come out to see what they decide to do....
as long as PS4 is more improved hardware than PS3, online, and bring back the DS2 triggers and it's all good :P
ya i just bought my ps3 a couple years ago if they would let another one out i think they would be loseing money no one would buy it i have some friends that just got theres you no how pissed of they would be if you bought a ps3 then the next day the ps4 came out i would laugh my ass of
There's no need to trash talk another company in order to respond to a question about your own company, in my opinion, whatever you say Sony, prepare to loose, AGAIN. :)
"What I've seen from the competition is alot of features that actually work, and Sony's just really not interested in that."
Fixed
Fixed
Good, I'm fine with the PS3 for a few more years, isn't any real rush to step up.
The 360, meanwhile, needs to get the hell out. That DVD format is strangling the industry.
The 360, meanwhile, needs to get the hell out. That DVD format is strangling the industry.
@meteorscrap
did everyone just up and forget about the terrible n64 and lukewarm gamecube sales? its not like nintendo always knows what the fuck its doing or is even right most of the time.
did everyone just up and forget about the terrible n64 and lukewarm gamecube sales? its not like nintendo always knows what the fuck its doing or is even right most of the time.
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